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Lots of sources-- would like some advice

 

Been playing around on paper with a system that I have to work on
soon. Its going to be 21 video sources that will be routable to any of
8 tvs. There are a few different matrix switchers involved, fyi. I am
pretty sure that I am going to need 168 steppers to move each switcher
to the right position. I am just confused on the best way to trigger
each stepper.

I am going to use two different crosspoints--1 for the room and 1 for
the actual source (Thank you very much LKC, your advice is appreciated
more than you would believe) Should I just interlock the rooms and the
sources and use buffers to hit the correct stepper? It kind of feels
like a waste to go through that since I am already going to be using
crosspoints. Would analog equates using the equipment ID#s make any sense?

If I came out of the room analog equate into the enable line of 8
buffers, I could then put the 21 different sources into each of the
buffers using the analog equate outputs for the sources. So in total,
I am looking at

2 crosspoints --->
2 analog equates --->
8 buffers of 21 inputs --->
168 steppers


Re: CEN-COM Falling Offline/Excessive Update Requests

Chris Erskine
 

1) Tape it to the switch???
2) With the unit on a switch, unless there is a lot of broadcast traffic, it should not be seeing much traffic. If it is broadcast traffic, maybe disabling it on the port. I do not know enough about the protocol but does Crestron use broadcast to the devices?



Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Lincoln King-Cliby
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:41 AM
To: 'Crestron@...'
Subject: RE: [Crestron] Re: CEN-COM Falling Offline/Excessive Update Requests

I know sooner or later I'm going to go searching for it, and where else would I put it? At least I didn't include the IP address and password for the switch :D

Anyway to the original question... Forcing the duplex didn't seem to help. I added a Ethernet offline manager with the intent of tickling the update request digital as needed, but I noticed since adding it (at least last night) every time the CEN-COM dropped off line it popped right back.

I'm trying to avoid adding another router to my network, but Foo's suggestion may be the last option before I finally throw the thing across the room and get a QM-RMC or DIN-AP2 for it.

--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Applications Engineer
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
V: 440-729-4640 x1107 F: 440-729-0884 I:
Crestron Authorized Independent Programmer
-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Chip Moody
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:18 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: CEN-COM Falling Offline/Excessive Update Requests


Damn... Nice (mis?)use of Yahoo! Groups, Lincoln. We're your own
private database now? :)

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@...> wrote:

(Note to self for when I need to change it back: interface Fa0/7)

Lincoln

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Re: CEN-COM Falling Offline/Excessive Update Requests

 

I know sooner or later I'm going to go searching for it, and where else would I put it? At least I didn't include the IP address and password for the switch :D

Anyway to the original question... Forcing the duplex didn't seem to help. I added a Ethernet offline manager with the intent of tickling the update request digital as needed, but I noticed since adding it (at least last night) every time the CEN-COM dropped off line it popped right back.

I'm trying to avoid adding another router to my network, but Foo's suggestion may be the last option before I finally throw the thing across the room and get a QM-RMC or DIN-AP2 for it.

--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Applications Engineer
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
V: 440-729-4640 x1107 F: 440-729-0884 I:
Crestron Authorized Independent Programmer

-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Chip Moody
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:18 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: CEN-COM Falling Offline/Excessive Update Requests


Damn... Nice (mis?)use of Yahoo! Groups, Lincoln. We're your own
private database now? :)

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@...> wrote:

(Note to self for when I need to change it back: interface Fa0/7)

Lincoln

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Re: Refining serial I/O

danrobinanna
 

At the risk of sounding stupid, it would seem like a simple truth
table would take care of this. When the string is received, both will
go high (or low) on the same wave.

Zone 1 = 'cable' H and 'zone 2 cable' low
Zone 2 is fine right out of the SIO. If you want it to go high on the
same wave, just put it in the truth table as 'zone 2 cable' h with X
for 'cable'

or you could detect the &#92;r and use it to clear a SR. Then detect
the 'Zone 2 ' and set the SR. Then detect the cable and use the SR's
output to route the pulse. The pulse will be one save long because
the incoming &#92;r will clear the 'cable' output. I might do this if
there were a lot of Zone 2 commands and use two buffers (one each on
the output of the SR) to send the commands where you want them.

I apologize if I'm missing something tricky.



--- In Crestron@..., "Chip Moody" <cfm@...> wrote:


An incoming "Zone2-Cable&#92;r" will trigger BOTH "Cable&#92;r" and
"Zone2-Cable&#92;r" parameters. "Cable&#92;r" is still a subset of the
incoming string and a valid match...

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "lunarteq" <lunartech@> wrote:

Assuming you mean strings coming into the SIO, have you tried
removing
spaces in the string and/or replace them with other characters
i.e.
"Cable&#92;r" & "Zone2-Cable&#92;r"... this effectively makes the second
string one word so the other parameter (or other SIO) cant match
it.

ChipG

--- In Crestron@..., "slip.cougan" <slip.cougan@>
wrote:

Sorry, these are returned strings from the device, I was
simulating
the strings in debugger.

All my modules use analogs for source selects (I don't do
digitals
anymore :) )

g

--- In Crestron@..., "Matt" <mjrtoo@> wrote:

--- In Crestron@..., "slip.cougan" <slip.cougan@>
wrote:

Take the following senario:
Main zone SIO contains the parameter: Cable&#92;x0D
Secondary SIO zone contains the parameter: Zone 2 Cable&#92;x0D

Now of course both these events will fire if I send: Zone 2
Cable&#92;x0D
This is the expected behaviour from a serial I/O.

Is there a way to make the SIO more choosy? So if I send
Zone 2
Cable&#92;x0D it does not trip the main zone event.

Thanks

gary
What's the concept of using the SIO? Are you using serial
strings
into the SIO to switch sources from the outputs? Maybe look
at
using
analog init's instead?


Re: CEN-RGBHV8X8

Matt
 

--- In Crestron@..., "Andy Maxey" <andy@...> wrote:

Is anyone aware of an example program for any of the Crestron CEN-
RGBHV
switchers? I wasn't able to find one on Crestron's website.



Andy

These work exactly like any type of Crestron device. Use analogs to
select the input for a specified output. Are you having specific
trouble that we could help with?


CEN-RGBHV8X8

Andy Maxey
 

Is anyone aware of an example program for any of the Crestron CEN-RGBHV
switchers? I wasn't able to find one on Crestron's website.



Andy


Re: Refining serial I/O

Chip Moody
 

How about making "Cable" into "Zone 1 Cable" instead? Valid option?

- Chip

--- In Crestron@..., "slip.cougan" <slip.cougan@...> wrote:

Take the following senario:
Main zone SIO contains the parameter: Cable&#92;x0D
Secondary SIO zone contains the parameter: Zone 2 Cable&#92;x0D

Now of course both these events will fire if I send: Zone 2 Cable&#92;x0D
This is the expected behaviour from a serial I/O.

Is there a way to make the SIO more choosy? So if I send Zone 2
Cable&#92;x0D it does not trip the main zone event.

Thanks

gary


Re: Refining serial I/O

Chip Moody
 

An incoming "Zone2-Cable&#92;r" will trigger BOTH "Cable&#92;r" and
"Zone2-Cable&#92;r" parameters. "Cable&#92;r" is still a subset of the
incoming string and a valid match...

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "lunarteq" <lunartech@...> wrote:

Assuming you mean strings coming into the SIO, have you tried removing
spaces in the string and/or replace them with other characters i.e.
"Cable&#92;r" & "Zone2-Cable&#92;r"... this effectively makes the second
string one word so the other parameter (or other SIO) cant match it.

ChipG

--- In Crestron@..., "slip.cougan" <slip.cougan@> wrote:

Sorry, these are returned strings from the device, I was simulating
the strings in debugger.

All my modules use analogs for source selects (I don't do digitals
anymore :) )

g

--- In Crestron@..., "Matt" <mjrtoo@> wrote:

--- In Crestron@..., "slip.cougan" <slip.cougan@>
wrote:

Take the following senario:
Main zone SIO contains the parameter: Cable&#92;x0D
Secondary SIO zone contains the parameter: Zone 2 Cable&#92;x0D

Now of course both these events will fire if I send: Zone 2
Cable&#92;x0D
This is the expected behaviour from a serial I/O.

Is there a way to make the SIO more choosy? So if I send Zone 2
Cable&#92;x0D it does not trip the main zone event.

Thanks

gary
What's the concept of using the SIO? Are you using serial strings
into the SIO to switch sources from the outputs? Maybe look at
using
analog init's instead?


Pioneer BDP-05 Control

 

Does anyone have a IR file to be able to control a Pioneer BDP-05 from the rear control port?
I'm told that even though it's a "Pioneer Control" jack, that if you strip the carrier from IR files
it should work with Crestron. I have tried with no success, so I was wondering if anyone else
has succeeded and has the file. Thanks for your help.


Re: Refining serial I/O

lunarteq
 

Assuming you mean strings coming into the SIO, have you tried removing
spaces in the string and/or replace them with other characters i.e.
"Cable&#92;r" & "Zone2-Cable&#92;r"... this effectively makes the second
string one word so the other parameter (or other SIO) cant match it.

ChipG

--- In Crestron@..., "slip.cougan" <slip.cougan@...> wrote:

Sorry, these are returned strings from the device, I was simulating
the strings in debugger.

All my modules use analogs for source selects (I don't do digitals
anymore :) )

g

--- In Crestron@..., "Matt" <mjrtoo@> wrote:

--- In Crestron@..., "slip.cougan" <slip.cougan@>
wrote:

Take the following senario:
Main zone SIO contains the parameter: Cable&#92;x0D
Secondary SIO zone contains the parameter: Zone 2 Cable&#92;x0D

Now of course both these events will fire if I send: Zone 2
Cable&#92;x0D
This is the expected behaviour from a serial I/O.

Is there a way to make the SIO more choosy? So if I send Zone 2
Cable&#92;x0D it does not trip the main zone event.

Thanks

gary
What's the concept of using the SIO? Are you using serial strings
into the SIO to switch sources from the outputs? Maybe look at using
analog init's instead?


New European Pioneer LCDs (KRL-32V etc) use Sharp LCD codes

 

Hope that saves people a little time... :)

Luckily they don't need the power-on via serial command to be enabled
like the sharps do...

B.


Re: OT: iMac

Chip Moody
 

With encryption on, I believe a few/several seconds is fairly normal
for renegotiation. Perhaps they can have the Mac turn off the display
and spin the drive down, but stay awake enough that it doesn't
disconnect the wireless link?

- Chip

--- In Crestron@..., "galcala1031" <galcala@...> wrote:

Sorry about the OT but this is the best place I know to ask this...

client has an iMac that is connected wirelessly. Connection is WEP
encrypted through a consumer grade wireless router (Linksys).

The iMac is always on but goes into standby after several minutes of
non-use. When it comes back on-line it takes 15-20 seconds for the
wireless connection to be "remade".

Is this normal? Any suggestions as to how I can reduce this lag time?

Thanks


Re: CEN-COM Falling Offline/Excessive Update Requests

Chip Moody
 

Damn... Nice (mis?)use of Yahoo! Groups, Lincoln. We're your own
private database now? :)

- Chip

--- In Crestron@..., Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@...> wrote:

(Note to self for when I need to change it back: interface Fa0/7)

Lincoln


Re: OT: iMac

Heath Volmer
 

Slow Wi-fi reconnects are usually due to the router. Linksys are fairly slow. The Airport Extreme is pretty quick and I'm sure others will point out those that are faster, but they all come in quite a bit more expensive than the Linksys.

Heath

On Jan 26, 2009, at 7:49 AM, galcala1031 wrote:

Sorry about the OT but this is the best place I know to ask this...

client has an iMac that is connected wirelessly. Connection is WEP
encrypted through a consumer grade wireless router (Linksys).

The iMac is always on but goes into standby after several minutes of
non-use. When it comes back on-line it takes 15-20 seconds for the
wireless connection to be "remade".

Is this normal? Any suggestions as to how I can reduce this lag time?

Thanks


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Re: Recommendations

Steve Kaudle
 

I'm not sure an RFQ is a good means of handling information
gathering...not that I haven't seen it done that way in the past.
Questions like these, good as they may be, are going to generate a
wide variety of responses, making comparisons of the responses
difficult if not impossible.

For example, question #1: I'd be hard pressed to deliver a
competitive quotation for "review[ing] our current Room View
6 setup and see what other options we could add", unless you were A)
going to make your RV system available for all perspective bidders to
review, prior to bidding and B) tell all perspective bidders what you
expected to see added.

Assuming you're not intending this RFQ to serve as a quasi-interview
like process, aimed at finding an AV contractor to work with you on a
design/build project [unusual for institutional clients], I'd
recommend hiring someone [technology consultant, AV contractor, AV
programmer, etc...] to act as a designer/consultant and work with you
to determine what's available and/or what you want the systems to do.
More specific to the Crestron side of things, assuming your an A+
Partner, call your Crestron rep and ask him/her to stop by and spend
some time going over your needs.

Once you know exactly what you want, write a RFQ to that spec. That
way the vendors will know exactly what the system[s] need to be, and
you'll know exactly what your getting and how much it's gonna cost,
before the first wire is pulled.

--- In Crestron@..., Jon Bannan <bannan@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I am looking for a few recommendations from the company side of things
regarding the questions below? As a CAIP or a programming company,
have
you had a client ask for the following items and how have you handled
it? I'm finishing my RFQ for this year and was wondering if there
was a
way to get these included in a system review or something.

1.) Is there a way that I can have someone review our current Room View
6 setup and see what other options we could add? What are we missing?
etc? Kind of a review of our system and recommendations as to what
could be added to enhance the functionality and usage of RV.

2.) We are obviously interested in integrating the Emergency
Broadcasting function that was just mentioned. What is needed to make
this happen? Any hardware or software, etc?

3.) There are often times that we need to provide reports to our
Provost
and the Cabinet regarding lamp hours, equipment usage, etc. So I'm
interested in someone creating a custom report that we can run when
needed for the various information.

Does any of this make sense to you guys? Again, I'm not looking for
a $
number right now, more of a "hey this is what one of our clients did or
this is what we've seen requested before" etc.

Thanks!

--
Jon Bannan - CTS

Media Manager
Media & Technology Support Services


The College of New Jersey
2000 Pennington Road
Forcina Hall 123
Ewing, NJ 08628
609-771-2304 - Office
609-637-5126 - Fax
bannan@...


Re: Samsung HL72A650 72 inch DLP with 232 control

fellatedone
 

I cannot speak to the 232 functionality, but it does have very good IR
codes...

-JOHN

--- In Crestron@..., "bricyrd" <bricyrd@...> wrote:

Don't you just love it when customers buy the equipment and then they
expect you to automate it.

This a consumer grade model and I was wondering has anybody had any
success in controlling these or something similar from 232?


Re: iPod Touch/iPhone App

simpl_2_use
 

Funny, I was about to ask the same thing. I think I will email
Crestron as well since they clearly show in their software section
currently "SW-MOB-AI" as a product, yet it sure as heck is not at the
iTunes store.

I've been using CF iViewer to this point and while the panel builder
software they have is pretty clunky, it does work and their interface
seems to work well once fully loaded.

Still, it would be nice to have Crestron actually release this...
Since they advertise it on their site and all.

~Paul~

--- In Crestron@..., "camaro1969addict" <tcichos@...> wrote:

Does anyone have any new information about the iPod Touch/iPhone App?
Like when it really coming out?? Or how it will integrate into my
code??
Thanks,
Tim


Samsung HL72A650 72 inch DLP with 232 control

 

Don't you just love it when customers buy the equipment and then they
expect you to automate it.

This a consumer grade model and I was wondering has anybody had any
success in controlling these or something similar from 232?


iPod Touch/iPhone App

 

Does anyone have any new information about the iPod Touch/iPhone App?
Like when it really coming out?? Or how it will integrate into my code??
Thanks,
Tim


OT: iMac

galcala1031
 

Sorry about the OT but this is the best place I know to ask this...

client has an iMac that is connected wirelessly. Connection is WEP
encrypted through a consumer grade wireless router (Linksys).

The iMac is always on but goes into standby after several minutes of
non-use. When it comes back on-line it takes 15-20 seconds for the
wireless connection to be "remade".

Is this normal? Any suggestions as to how I can reduce this lag time?

Thanks