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Re: DM16x16 EDID with HDR

 

On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:21 AM, Thorsten K?hler wrote:
  • Which output are you using on the Altitude? If it?s an older unit, only output 2 is capable of the full range.
  • The Altitude can be pretty picky about EDID changes. Always do a ¡°refresh EDID¡± on the device or do a power cycle
  • If I remember correctly, the DM-stuff has some compression going on for HDR content. For home cinema applications, we always try to avoid signal distribution and go for a direct connection.
  • You don?t mention a video processor in the chain, so it sounds as if you want to send an unprocessed HDR image to the projector and let the projector do the tonemapping. That?s a terrible idea since the 715ES does a horrible job on its own with HDR material. You might want to consider adding a video processor like the madVR Envy (our choice) or a Lumagen into the chain. That would provide excellent tonemapping and also solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector.
Thanks for the input Thorsten!
- We're not using the TNV outputs. Its an audio 'end-point' via its own RMC 4KZ.
- Regarding the TNV and EDID, are you saying that when we change the EDIDs, we should do some sort of reset after update?
- We are considering re working our whole setup to make the Theater essentially a stand-alone setup for AV.
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- "solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector."
When you say this are you saying that the VidProc is taking in the HDR, processing it and sending an 'Enhanced' SDR signal to the projector? I.E. and SDR signal that looks like an HDR signal?? thus, the projector just delivers the enhanced picture without having to process the HDR itself (which you feel it does a bad job)?
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This is all really good, helpful information, though the crux of my question was about how to format the video setting in an EDID for DM so that the source (KScape) with show available HDR titles.
The see-saw of HDR or Atmos is the issue with the EDIDs. Again, I've tried to copy the video settings of the projector EDID and place them with the TNV EDID but when I do this, the KScape says that the EDID does not support HDR and subsequently hides the HDR content...
It would be really great if the EDID tool could just copy the video settings from the Projector EDID and the Audio Settings from the TNV and be done, But no one at Crestron has indicated that this is possible (Which is shocking to me...)
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We really aren't able to get to doing tweeky things, because we're stuck on just getting basic things to work...I should be used to this...:)
Re: How come I missed this all these years?

 

As long as you have run CrestronXpanelSetup.exe you should be able to double click on any .vtz file and it will open as an Xpanel. I use this all the time. It is really helpful when you are logged into someone else's computer and you want to run an Xpanel to see what is happening without installing a ton of software that the other side doesn't need.
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Helpful hint that took me about 2 years to accidently discover: If the touch panel is bigger than your monitor it will open with no guide bars to scroll around on it, just use the arrow keys to scroll around on it. I felt really dumb when I accidently hit an arrow key and saw it move.
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If you search on Crestron Help for "Adobe Flash End Of Life" the link to download this file is in the 3rd paragraph.
Re: DM16x16 EDID with HDR

 

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Hi Chris,

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just some random thoughts:

  • Which output are you using on the Altitude? If it?s an older unit, only output 2 is capable of the full range.
  • The Altitude can be pretty picky about EDID changes. Always do a ¡°refresh EDID¡± on the device or do a power cycle
  • If I remember correctly, the DM-stuff has some compression going on for HDR content. For home cinema applications, we always try to avoid signal distribution and go for a direct connection.
  • You don?t mention a video processor in the chain, so it sounds as if you want to send an unprocessed HDR image to the projector and let the projector do the tonemapping. That?s a terrible idea since the 715ES does a horrible job on its own with HDR material. You might want to consider adding a video processor like the madVR Envy (our choice) or a Lumagen into the chain. That would provide excellent tonemapping and also solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector.

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If I find the time, I could probably do some testing as I have an Altitude 32 and a MD8x8 matrix here in the room next door.

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Cheers,

Thorsten

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Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von ckangis
Gesendet: Samstag, 23. November 2024 05:34
An: [email protected]
Betreff: [crestron] DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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Hi All,

Does anyone know what the secret handshake is to enable HDR within an EDID for DM chassis'???? Our setup is a Sony 715ES and a Trinnov Altitude16.

Everything we do will either get Atmos and no HDR, or HDR and no Atmos...? ?I know that they don't have anything to do with each other, BTW...

I have an EDID that I've Pulled from the projector. This provides 4K/HDR but no hi-res audio

I have an EDID that I've pulled from the Trinnov. This provides Hi-res audio, but no 4K? (It's set up as audio only on its own DM output)

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Using the EDID Tool in ToolBox, I start with The Trinnov file, save as a new file, then Update the video resolutions to match what the projector file has.

The only difference is the projector file has 'Custom' VESA Block Preferred and Second Detailed Timing descriptors, which are not found in the modify lists.

These are 1920 and 1280 resolutions so I'm assuming that it doesn't really matter.... Everything else is the same.

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The bottom line is that when the new EDID file with duplicated resolutions is loaded, I still don't get HDR!!!

$ 40K of equipment that is not performing correctly... Digital Giveth, Digital Taketh

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Anyone have any ideas???

TIA!
DM16x16 EDID with HDR

 

Hi All,
Does anyone know what the secret handshake is to enable HDR within an EDID for DM chassis'???? Our setup is a Sony 715ES and a Trinnov Altitude16.
Everything we do will either get Atmos and no HDR, or HDR and no Atmos...? ?I know that they don't have anything to do with each other, BTW...
I have an EDID that I've Pulled from the projector. This provides 4K/HDR but no hi-res audio
I have an EDID that I've pulled from the Trinnov. This provides Hi-res audio, but no 4K? (It's set up as audio only on its own DM output)
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Using the EDID Tool in ToolBox, I start with The Trinnov file, save as a new file, then Update the video resolutions to match what the projector file has.
The only difference is the projector file has 'Custom' VESA Block Preferred and Second Detailed Timing descriptors, which are not found in the modify lists.
These are 1920 and 1280 resolutions so I'm assuming that it doesn't really matter.... Everything else is the same.
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The bottom line is that when the new EDID file with duplicated resolutions is loaded, I still don't get HDR!!!
$ 40K of equipment that is not performing correctly... Digital Giveth, Digital Taketh
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Anyone have any ideas???
TIA!
Re: Global Cache IP2IR sensor input (RMC4)

 

Thanks again, Lincoln.?
Re: posting pictures to threads???

 

Attachments aren't allowed, but an HTML email can contain images.

--- On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 6:12 PM, stefuel2 wrote:

Am I missing something here? Can we post pictures to threads here?
posting pictures to threads???

 

Am I missing something here?? Can we post pictures to threads here?
Re: How come I missed this all these years?

 

Thanks,
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Well, guess I'll be doing that from now on.
Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

 

To receive UDP traffic the IP address has to match what's set on the UDP/IP client.? Set it to 0.0.0.0 to receive from anywhere, 192.168.1.0 to receive from that subnet, or a specific IP to receive from.? Same as for a TCP/IP Server device.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 1:11?PM Michael Caldwell-Waller via <bowser77=[email protected]> wrote:

Try using PacketSender -- a multiplatform testing app that lets you create and send packets (including UDP) for troubleshooting purposes like these.? You should be able to poke hand-written packets into the system and see them work.? I have gotten UDP to work as a server in SIMPL, and to get it to work, I remember it started working when I set the IP ID to reference the single IP address that was going to be sending me the UDP packets, but somebody told me on this forum (probably searchable) that this isn't the only way to do it, and offered up something that should work if there are going to be multiple senders.? Since my application only had a single sender,?I didn't bother to touch it afterward. Mike

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 8:50?AM Slip Cougan via <gk.otoole=[email protected]> wrote:
That's kinda what I thought, so I just set up a very basic program with only a UDP symbol in CP3-01
IP address is within my subnet, in this case 192.168.10.254 port 6000. 1 on the enable
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In the Novastar program on CP3-02, again a UDP symbol with IP of
I get nothing between either.
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I'm actually using UDP comms inside my s+ module and I thought maybe I'd screwed up but, I'm pretty sure that part of the module is fine.
I can remote into site on Monday, but was hoping to do some pre-testing over the weekend.
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I also tried using the IP of CP3-01 on the symbols in both programs, no joy there
Re: How come I missed this all these years?

 

Most likely because that property does only show (at least as far as I can remember, and I don't have a PC with me right now to test this) if the project was created with the XPanel 2.0 Smart Graphics hardware definition and later saved as another hardware panel type.?
Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

 

Try using PacketSender -- a multiplatform testing app that lets you create and send packets (including UDP) for troubleshooting purposes like these.? You should be able to poke hand-written packets into the system and see them work.? I have gotten UDP to work as a server in SIMPL, and to get it to work, I remember it started working when I set the IP ID to reference the single IP address that was going to be sending me the UDP packets, but somebody told me on this forum (probably searchable) that this isn't the only way to do it, and offered up something that should work if there are going to be multiple senders.? Since my application only had a single sender,?I didn't bother to touch it afterward. Mike


On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 8:50?AM Slip Cougan via <gk.otoole=[email protected]> wrote:
That's kinda what I thought, so I just set up a very basic program with only a UDP symbol in CP3-01
IP address is within my subnet, in this case 192.168.10.254 port 6000. 1 on the enable
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In the Novastar program on CP3-02, again a UDP symbol with IP of
I get nothing between either.
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I'm actually using UDP comms inside my s+ module and I thought maybe I'd screwed up but, I'm pretty sure that part of the module is fine.
I can remote into site on Monday, but was hoping to do some pre-testing over the weekend.
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I also tried using the IP of CP3-01 on the symbols in both programs, no joy there
How come I missed this all these years?

 

I was just making a change to a TSW that I've been working on over the past couple of months.
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I've never paid any attention to the project properties apart from to change the theme.
Always seen the XPanel properties and never given it any thought, it's a TSW in'nt - why would I?
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So for giggles, and I was just looking for something to take mind off my current project, decided to set it up to match my program.
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Well blow me, no more having to enter the annoying connection settings in the XPanel, when clicking on a vtz.
How has that passed me by for goodness knows how long :)
Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

 

That's kinda what I thought, so I just set up a very basic program with only a UDP symbol in CP3-01
IP address is within my subnet, in this case 192.168.10.254 port 6000. 1 on the enable
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In the Novastar program on CP3-02, again a UDP symbol with IP of 192.168.10.254:6000
I get nothing between either.
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I'm actually using UDP comms inside my s+ module and I thought maybe I'd screwed up but, I'm pretty sure that part of the module is fine.
I can remote into site on Monday, but was hoping to do some pre-testing over the weekend.
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I also tried using the IP of CP3-01 on the symbols in both programs, no joy there
Re: Pathway Pathport Ethernet DMX Controller

 

Anyone have an update on this topic??
Re: DM-NAX-4ZSP

 

Not all Radio stations are being broadcast in the same way. Might want to post the stations you would be using to have someone test on the different options
Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

 

UDP is stateless, meaning they don't actually make a connection per say. One talks and just hope the others are listening.
In simpl and S+ you have a single definition for UDP communications. You would use it for both sides.
UDP 'server' is this possible

 
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In the past when I've been testing modules for kit I don't have in the office, that connect through TCP/IP, I've simply hosted a TCP server on another processor to mimic the device.
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I need to do something similar with a device (Novastar H2) that only uses UDP for comms.
Is it possible to host a UDP 'sever' on a processor and if so how?
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Also, I'm not a network expert and have little understanding of UDP outside of sending stuff to/from UDP devices.
Re: has anyone made a stock ticker module? #crestron

 

Check message 22975
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It was all the rage in 2004!
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Not sure if Chip has kept that one updated ;-)
Re: Global Cache IP2IR sensor input (RMC4)

 

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Sorry, I initially replied on mobile and was a bit harried¡­

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For multicast you need to use the multicast group ID as the address so that the processor/OS knows it needs to send the IGMP Join message to the switch. If you use the source IP address, much like 0.0.0.0 the switch has no idea that it needs to forward the multicast traffic (and the processor may or may not be listening for multicast traffic from that source IP)

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2024 10:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] Global Cache IP2IR sensor input (RMC4)

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Thanks Lincoln.??

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In this case, would I'd just use the IP of the sending device rather than zeroes for the octets; I'll keep my fingers crossed that this will function.

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Thanks!

Mike
Re: Global Cache IP2IR sensor input (RMC4)

 

Thanks Lincoln.??
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In this case, would I'd just use the IP of the sending device rather than zeroes for the octets; I'll keep my fingers crossed that this will function.
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Thanks!
Mike
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