Re: has anyone made a stock ticker module? #crestron

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What kind of output does the desired module need to have?? Are we pushing to HDMI and displaying on a screen, or are we wanting to drive a narrow horizontal strip of LED’s with information crawling across?? Who selects the stocks and how are the stocks set?

Have done both!

Mike

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On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 12:11?PM MQSACK via <mqsack=[email protected]> wrote:

Check message 22975

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It was all the rage in 2004!

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Not sure if Chip has kept that one updated ;-)

Denon DN-300Z SerialCommand

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Dear Team,

can anyone share the Serial command for Denon Dn-300Z.

Re: DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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Thank you Thorsten! This is a real education for me on this particular subject (HDR, etc.).? As early on in the hi-res (4K) business, nothing was reliable so I down-res'd things for client sanity and sort of checked out.

Your comments make me want to get brushed up and going again!

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As to our setup (Though we're going to reconfigure things), we have a Kscape Strato and dedicated Apple TV, both set for 4K operation. The rest of the rooms are basically 2K distribution.

The Sources input into DM16x16/4KZ input cards. The dual 4KZ output card feeds separate RMC-4KZ units: one for the 715 projector, and the other for the TNV which is located in the Theater rack.

We route the chosen source to both outputs. Sources have the same EDID.

We have plans to move the TNV into the main rack and route the sources directly into it, and feed the projector from it.

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We were able to construct an appropriate EDID by temporarily feeding the projector from the TNV and capturing the settings that way (BS that we cannot merge A and V settings into one file...)
This 'solved' things, but now we are seeing video drop-outs, at least with AppleTV non-HDR content...? It just pisses us off...? Ugghh!? ?I know that we're missing something, but we are at a loss as to what to look for...

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Also, Tell me your thoughts on why you like the Envy over the Lumagen? I have fond memories of the Lumagen, though I haven't dealt with them for almost a decade now...

TIA!!?

Re: DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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Just send out a reply with an embedded screenshot – that doesn?t seem to have gone through.

So here again without screenshot:

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Hi Chris,

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?- We're not using the TNV outputs. Its an audio 'end-point' via its own RMC 4KZ.“

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Hm, this, I don?t completely understand. I meant the Trinnov HDMI outputs. The Altitude has 2 of them.

Can you share a bit more info on the system design?

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“- Regarding the TNV and EDID, are you saying that when we change the EDIDs, we should do some sort of reset after update?”

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Yes, in the Trinnov web-interface, there?s a button to refresh EDID settings. This is also a good place to look for further information about the supported formats.

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“- "solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector."

When you say this are you saying that the VidProc is taking in the HDR, processing it and sending an 'Enhanced' SDR signal to the projector? I.E. and SDR signal that looks like an HDR signal?? thus, the projector just delivers the enhanced picture without having to process the HDR itself (which you feel it does a bad job)?”

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Sort of, yes. A projector is only capable of displaying SDR dynamic range. HDR is mastered towards 1000nits as a minimum. Depending on the screen size and screen gain, I guess the 715ES will throw something between 40 and 80nits onto the screen. So you need a mechanism to squeeze high dynamic range of the source material into the very low dynamic range of the projected image. When using static tone mapping, you define a fixed maximum nits value and map the whole movie into this range. This is pretty limited, but the 715ES can only do it this way. So you?ll end up with a very mediocre picture this way. A lot of clipping will happen at the low or high brightness end.

With dynamic tone mapping, the algorithm analyzes every single picture of the video screen, find the darkest and the brightest pixel and then uses the whole range of what the display device is capable of to display the image.

This is very roughly what a video processor like a madVR Envy (our preferred choice) or the Lumagen can do (besides a lot of other nice things).

Since the resulting image is only using SDR, you don?t need to send it as HDR anymore. In fact, you want to avoid sending it as HDR as you want to prevent the display/projector from doing its own tone mapping, ending up with double tonemapping.

This way, you can turn any SDR projector into a HDR projector. ? (however, there are other benefits like extended color gamut within HDR content)

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With regards to EDID, a standard EDID block incl. HDR and Atmos should do the trick. If I find the time, I can play a little bit with my setup tomorrow.

But as I mentioned in the beginning, your actual system setup is not 100% clear to me.

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Cheers,

Thorsten

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Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von ckangis
Gesendet: Samstag, 23. November 2024 16:25
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [crestron] DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:21 AM, Thorsten K?hler wrote:

Which output are you using on the Altitude? If it?s an older unit, only output 2 is capable of the full range.
The Altitude can be pretty picky about EDID changes. Always do a “refresh EDID” on the device or do a power cycle
If I remember correctly, the DM-stuff has some compression going on for HDR content. For home cinema applications, we always try to avoid signal distribution and go for a direct connection.
You don?t mention a video processor in the chain, so it sounds as if you want to send an unprocessed HDR image to the projector and let the projector do the tonemapping. That?s a terrible idea since the 715ES does a horrible job on its own with HDR material. You might want to consider adding a video processor like the madVR Envy (our choice) or a Lumagen into the chain. That would provide excellent tonemapping and also solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector.

Thanks for the input Thorsten!

- We're not using the TNV outputs. Its an audio 'end-point' via its own RMC 4KZ.

- Regarding the TNV and EDID, are you saying that when we change the EDIDs, we should do some sort of reset after update?

- We are considering re working our whole setup to make the Theater essentially a stand-alone setup for AV.

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- "solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector."

When you say this are you saying that the VidProc is taking in the HDR, processing it and sending an 'Enhanced' SDR signal to the projector? I.E. and SDR signal that looks like an HDR signal?? thus, the projector just delivers the enhanced picture without having to process the HDR itself (which you feel it does a bad job)?

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This is all really good, helpful information, though the crux of my question was about how to format the video setting in an EDID for DM so that the source (KScape) with show available HDR titles.

The see-saw of HDR or Atmos is the issue with the EDIDs. Again, I've tried to copy the video settings of the projector EDID and place them with the TNV EDID but when I do this, the KScape says that the EDID does not support HDR and subsequently hides the HDR content...

It would be really great if the EDID tool could just copy the video settings from the Projector EDID and the Audio Settings from the TNV and be done, But no one at Crestron has indicated that this is possible (Which is shocking to me...)

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We really aren't able to get to doing tweeky things, because we're stuck on just getting basic things to work...I should be used to this...:)

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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Oh yeah, use a program called PacketSender to test your programming.? Makes it much easier to troubleshoot or test functionality of your programming

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On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 10:25?AM Randy Reyes via <randyreyesny=[email protected]> wrote:

I'm doing this now.? I have raspberry PIs with temp sensors in each room in my house, and sends data over UDP using Python.

I have a Crestron User Module that listens to that data.? I could have written it in Simpl+ but i'm just using basic Simpl?symbols.

To start, add a UDP/IP Communications Ethernet Device.? If your network schema is 192.168.1.x, then set your Default Address of that Ethernet Device to 192.168.1.255.

Connect the RX$ to anything you want to use to parse the data.? In my case, I'm using Serial to Analog because i'm using Hex values for the sensor number and temperature readings.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 9:21?AM Slip Cougan via <gk.otoole=[email protected]> wrote:
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In the past when I've been testing modules for kit I don't have in the office, that connect through TCP/IP, I've simply hosted a TCP server on another processor to mimic the device.

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I need to do something similar with a device (Novastar H2) that only uses UDP for comms.

Is it possible to host a UDP 'sever' on a processor and if so how?

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Also, I'm not a network expert and have little understanding of UDP outside of sending stuff to/from UDP devices.

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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I'm doing this now.? I have raspberry PIs with temp sensors in each room in my house, and sends data over UDP using Python.

I have a Crestron User Module that listens to that data.? I could have written it in Simpl+ but i'm just using basic Simpl?symbols.

To start, add a UDP/IP Communications Ethernet Device.? If your network schema is 192.168.1.x, then set your Default Address of that Ethernet Device to 192.168.1.255.

Connect the RX$ to anything you want to use to parse the data.? In my case, I'm using Serial to Analog because i'm using Hex values for the sensor number and temperature readings.

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On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 9:21?AM Slip Cougan via <gk.otoole=[email protected]> wrote:

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In the past when I've been testing modules for kit I don't have in the office, that connect through TCP/IP, I've simply hosted a TCP server on another processor to mimic the device.

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I need to do something similar with a device (Novastar H2) that only uses UDP for comms.

Is it possible to host a UDP 'sever' on a processor and if so how?

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Also, I'm not a network expert and have little understanding of UDP outside of sending stuff to/from UDP devices.

Re: DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:21 AM, Thorsten K?hler wrote:

Which output are you using on the Altitude? If it?s an older unit, only output 2 is capable of the full range.

The Altitude can be pretty picky about EDID changes. Always do a “refresh EDID” on the device or do a power cycle

If I remember correctly, the DM-stuff has some compression going on for HDR content. For home cinema applications, we always try to avoid signal distribution and go for a direct connection.

You don?t mention a video processor in the chain, so it sounds as if you want to send an unprocessed HDR image to the projector and let the projector do the tonemapping. That?s a terrible idea since the 715ES does a horrible job on its own with HDR material. You might want to consider adding a video processor like the madVR Envy (our choice) or a Lumagen into the chain. That would provide excellent tonemapping and also solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector.

Thanks for the input Thorsten!

- We're not using the TNV outputs. Its an audio 'end-point' via its own RMC 4KZ.

- Regarding the TNV and EDID, are you saying that when we change the EDIDs, we should do some sort of reset after update?

- We are considering re working our whole setup to make the Theater essentially a stand-alone setup for AV.

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- "solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector."

When you say this are you saying that the VidProc is taking in the HDR, processing it and sending an 'Enhanced' SDR signal to the projector? I.E. and SDR signal that looks like an HDR signal?? thus, the projector just delivers the enhanced picture without having to process the HDR itself (which you feel it does a bad job)?

?

This is all really good, helpful information, though the crux of my question was about how to format the video setting in an EDID for DM so that the source (KScape) with show available HDR titles.

The see-saw of HDR or Atmos is the issue with the EDIDs. Again, I've tried to copy the video settings of the projector EDID and place them with the TNV EDID but when I do this, the KScape says that the EDID does not support HDR and subsequently hides the HDR content...

It would be really great if the EDID tool could just copy the video settings from the Projector EDID and the Audio Settings from the TNV and be done, But no one at Crestron has indicated that this is possible (Which is shocking to me...)

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We really aren't able to get to doing tweeky things, because we're stuck on just getting basic things to work...I should be used to this...:)

Re: How come I missed this all these years?

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As long as you have run CrestronXpanelSetup.exe you should be able to double click on any .vtz file and it will open as an Xpanel. I use this all the time. It is really helpful when you are logged into someone else's computer and you want to run an Xpanel to see what is happening without installing a ton of software that the other side doesn't need.

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Helpful hint that took me about 2 years to accidently discover: If the touch panel is bigger than your monitor it will open with no guide bars to scroll around on it, just use the arrow keys to scroll around on it. I felt really dumb when I accidently hit an arrow key and saw it move.

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If you search on Crestron Help for "Adobe Flash End Of Life" the link to download this file is in the 3rd paragraph.

Re: DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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Hi Chris,

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just some random thoughts:

Which output are you using on the Altitude? If it?s an older unit, only output 2 is capable of the full range.
The Altitude can be pretty picky about EDID changes. Always do a “refresh EDID” on the device or do a power cycle
If I remember correctly, the DM-stuff has some compression going on for HDR content. For home cinema applications, we always try to avoid signal distribution and go for a direct connection.
You don?t mention a video processor in the chain, so it sounds as if you want to send an unprocessed HDR image to the projector and let the projector do the tonemapping. That?s a terrible idea since the 715ES does a horrible job on its own with HDR material. You might want to consider adding a video processor like the madVR Envy (our choice) or a Lumagen into the chain. That would provide excellent tonemapping and also solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector.

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If I find the time, I could probably do some testing as I have an Altitude 32 and a MD8x8 matrix here in the room next door.

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Cheers,

Thorsten

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Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von ckangis
Gesendet: Samstag, 23. November 2024 05:34
An: [email protected]
Betreff: [crestron] DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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Hi All,

Does anyone know what the secret handshake is to enable HDR within an EDID for DM chassis'???? Our setup is a Sony 715ES and a Trinnov Altitude16.

Everything we do will either get Atmos and no HDR, or HDR and no Atmos...? ?I know that they don't have anything to do with each other, BTW...

I have an EDID that I've Pulled from the projector. This provides 4K/HDR but no hi-res audio

I have an EDID that I've pulled from the Trinnov. This provides Hi-res audio, but no 4K? (It's set up as audio only on its own DM output)

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Using the EDID Tool in ToolBox, I start with The Trinnov file, save as a new file, then Update the video resolutions to match what the projector file has.

The only difference is the projector file has 'Custom' VESA Block Preferred and Second Detailed Timing descriptors, which are not found in the modify lists.

These are 1920 and 1280 resolutions so I'm assuming that it doesn't really matter.... Everything else is the same.

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The bottom line is that when the new EDID file with duplicated resolutions is loaded, I still don't get HDR!!!

$ 40K of equipment that is not performing correctly... Digital Giveth, Digital Taketh

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Anyone have any ideas???

TIA!

DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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Hi All,

Does anyone know what the secret handshake is to enable HDR within an EDID for DM chassis'???? Our setup is a Sony 715ES and a Trinnov Altitude16.

Everything we do will either get Atmos and no HDR, or HDR and no Atmos...? ?I know that they don't have anything to do with each other, BTW...

I have an EDID that I've Pulled from the projector. This provides 4K/HDR but no hi-res audio

I have an EDID that I've pulled from the Trinnov. This provides Hi-res audio, but no 4K? (It's set up as audio only on its own DM output)

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Using the EDID Tool in ToolBox, I start with The Trinnov file, save as a new file, then Update the video resolutions to match what the projector file has.

The only difference is the projector file has 'Custom' VESA Block Preferred and Second Detailed Timing descriptors, which are not found in the modify lists.

These are 1920 and 1280 resolutions so I'm assuming that it doesn't really matter.... Everything else is the same.

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The bottom line is that when the new EDID file with duplicated resolutions is loaded, I still don't get HDR!!!

$ 40K of equipment that is not performing correctly... Digital Giveth, Digital Taketh

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Anyone have any ideas???

TIA!

Re: Global Cache IP2IR sensor input (RMC4)

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Thanks again, Lincoln.?

Re: posting pictures to threads???

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Attachments aren't allowed, but an HTML email can contain images.

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--- On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 6:12 PM, stefuel2 wrote:

Am I missing something here?  Can we post pictures to threads here?

posting pictures to threads???

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Am I missing something here?? Can we post pictures to threads here?

Re: How come I missed this all these years?

#255385

Thanks,

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Well, guess I'll be doing that from now on.

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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To receive UDP traffic the IP address has to match what's set on the UDP/IP client.? Set it to 0.0.0.0 to receive from anywhere, 192.168.1.0 to receive from that subnet, or a specific IP to receive from.? Same as for a TCP/IP Server device.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 1:11?PM Michael Caldwell-Waller via <bowser77=[email protected]> wrote:

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Try using PacketSender -- a multiplatform testing app that lets you create and send packets (including UDP) for troubleshooting purposes like these.? You should be able to poke hand-written packets into the system and see them work.? I have gotten UDP to work as a server in SIMPL, and to get it to work, I remember it started working when I set the IP ID to reference the single IP address that was going to be sending me the UDP packets, but somebody told me on this forum (probably searchable) that this isn't the only way to do it, and offered up something that should work if there are going to be multiple senders.? Since my application only had a single sender,?I didn't bother to touch it afterward. Mike

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 8:50?AM Slip Cougan via <gk.otoole=[email protected]> wrote:
That's kinda what I thought, so I just set up a very basic program with only a UDP symbol in CP3-01

IP address is within my subnet, in this case 192.168.10.254 port 6000. 1 on the enable

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In the Novastar program on CP3-02, again a UDP symbol with IP of

I get nothing between either.

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I'm actually using UDP comms inside my s+ module and I thought maybe I'd screwed up but, I'm pretty sure that part of the module is fine.

I can remote into site on Monday, but was hoping to do some pre-testing over the weekend.

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I also tried using the IP of CP3-01 on the symbols in both programs, no joy there

Re: How come I missed this all these years?

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Most likely because that property does only show (at least as far as I can remember, and I don't have a PC with me right now to test this) if the project was created with the XPanel 2.0 Smart Graphics hardware definition and later saved as another hardware panel type.?

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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Try using PacketSender -- a multiplatform testing app that lets you create and send packets (including UDP) for troubleshooting purposes like these.? You should be able to poke hand-written packets into the system and see them work.? I have gotten UDP to work as a server in SIMPL, and to get it to work, I remember it started working when I set the IP ID to reference the single IP address that was going to be sending me the UDP packets, but somebody told me on this forum (probably searchable) that this isn't the only way to do it, and offered up something that should work if there are going to be multiple senders.? Since my application only had a single sender,?I didn't bother to touch it afterward. Mike

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On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 8:50?AM Slip Cougan via <gk.otoole=[email protected]> wrote:

That's kinda what I thought, so I just set up a very basic program with only a UDP symbol in CP3-01

IP address is within my subnet, in this case 192.168.10.254 port 6000. 1 on the enable

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In the Novastar program on CP3-02, again a UDP symbol with IP of

I get nothing between either.

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I'm actually using UDP comms inside my s+ module and I thought maybe I'd screwed up but, I'm pretty sure that part of the module is fine.

I can remote into site on Monday, but was hoping to do some pre-testing over the weekend.

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I also tried using the IP of CP3-01 on the symbols in both programs, no joy there

How come I missed this all these years?

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I was just making a change to a TSW that I've been working on over the past couple of months.

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I've never paid any attention to the project properties apart from to change the theme.

Always seen the XPanel properties and never given it any thought, it's a TSW in'nt - why would I?

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So for giggles, and I was just looking for something to take mind off my current project, decided to set it up to match my program.

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Well blow me, no more having to enter the annoying connection settings in the XPanel, when clicking on a vtz.

How has that passed me by for goodness knows how long :)

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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That's kinda what I thought, so I just set up a very basic program with only a UDP symbol in CP3-01

IP address is within my subnet, in this case 192.168.10.254 port 6000. 1 on the enable

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In the Novastar program on CP3-02, again a UDP symbol with IP of 192.168.10.254:6000

I get nothing between either.

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I'm actually using UDP comms inside my s+ module and I thought maybe I'd screwed up but, I'm pretty sure that part of the module is fine.

I can remote into site on Monday, but was hoping to do some pre-testing over the weekend.

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I also tried using the IP of CP3-01 on the symbols in both programs, no joy there

Re: Pathway Pathport Ethernet DMX Controller

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Anyone have an update on this topic??