Common Folk¡all our customers, don¡¯t get/understand db¡¯s and especially ¡°0 db¡± being Reference level cause 0 means nada, zilch, etc.? I would infer that -db must mean less than Zilch!? Relative Scale of 0-100 is easily understood by all.? Again, I prefer to set the initial Turn On Vol to a level that can be readily heard but not wake the dead.? Max Vol settings can preclude speaker damage but may not keep your neighbors happy?? ? The other important issue is to balance the sensitivity of all incoming Audio Signals and both Denon and Marantz provide for this very useful feature.? This feature is not foolproof as many TV channels can exhibit widely disparate signal levels.? To my old tired eyes¡I mean ears, this seems like the FCC not doing proper policing of broadcasters but we¡¯ve been led to believe they are cracking down on Robo Callers as well.? Not at all certain how that is playing our in real life. ?? ? With respect to possible speaker damage, our experience seems to suggest that it most often occurs in Zones 2 & 3 (& 4 in some older Gen Receivers).? I¡¯ve arrived at a home site to discover the woofers rattling to beat the band and when I review the volume Settings for Zones 2/3, discover them set to ¡°Ballistic Launch Mode¡±¡Houston, we are clear for launch!? The client will vehemently declare that they didn¡¯t do it, which must mean that you must have left it that way.? ? One additional thought, Wi-Fi is a wonderful feature.? Not so much for system volume control, however, as the time lag between Input and Realization can be problematic.? Most clients will camp out on the Vol ramp control and that can and does Inject some rather startling results.? This can and does happen even with Serial or IR based commands.? I ALWAYS instruct clients NOT to do this and I use the following analogy.? ? Folks if you are in your garage and can¡¯t seem to get your car in gear, Don¡¯t Floor it. No Beuno! ? ??? Best regards, ? ? M.S. Moran ? ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of MSTC Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 2:02 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [crestron] Marantz SR7015 ? You probably already know the 0 dB reference is for THX.? If you have THX certified speakers and all, then setting the receiver to 0 dB should yield the SPLs that the movie producers intended.? Bullet In The Head requires just a bit more juice to get the china to rattle properly. ? I had to put a governor on zone 2 of my sony so that it would limit volume starting at 8 PM, then lower over time so it was pretty quiet by midnight (¡®cause it¡¯s the receiver to blame, not me . .)? It would even work if the receiver tried to raise the volume, thus keeping my patio circuit from offending my neighbors ¨C or my wife. ? Interesting point. I just checked and I'm using the 0-98 scale vs. the dB scale, and I'm quite sure that the other sites are using the 0-98 scale as well...It feels like something has changed...
(Side Rant - What is it about audio manufacturers that cannot get the concept of 0-100/0%-100%??? Is it really so hard to understand that this is how the people that are paying for this would best understand things???? ?I know, pro audio guys think differently, but AVRs are not pro Audio devices...)
And I definitely agree that turn on/turn off levels need to be managed for the exact reason that Michael mentioned. I've chose to deal with it programmatically, setting a turnon volume of my choosing on start up, and setting the volume to '0' before sending the off command.
I also have built volume governor logic to programmatically manage the max volume. In a properly calibrated system, I feel that it is not really necessary to go much over reference (0 dB). some devices like the sony avrs will allow +23 dB OVER Reference!!!? I have a parameter to limit this...
The one downside to managing the volume range is that if you use the AVR OSD, the volume display will not match your UI level display - I personally like to turn the OSD off, but some of my dealers like to keep it on...
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You probably already know the 0 dB reference is for THX.? If you have THX certified speakers and all, then setting the receiver to 0 dB should yield the SPLs that the movie producers intended.? Bullet In The Head requires just a bit more juice to get the china to rattle properly. ? I had to put a governor on zone 2 of my sony so that it would limit volume starting at 8 PM, then lower over time so it was pretty quiet by midnight (¡®cause it¡¯s the receiver to blame, not me . .)? It would even work if the receiver tried to raise the volume, thus keeping my patio circuit from offending my neighbors ¨C or my wife. ? Interesting point. I just checked and I'm using the 0-98 scale vs. the dB scale, and I'm quite sure that the other sites are using the 0-98 scale as well...It feels like something has changed...
(Side Rant - What is it about audio manufacturers that cannot get the concept of 0-100/0%-100%??? Is it really so hard to understand that this is how the people that are paying for this would best understand things???? ?I know, pro audio guys think differently, but AVRs are not pro Audio devices...)
And I definitely agree that turn on/turn off levels need to be managed for the exact reason that Michael mentioned. I've chose to deal with it programmatically, setting a turnon volume of my choosing on start up, and setting the volume to '0' before sending the off command.
I also have built volume governor logic to programmatically manage the max volume. In a properly calibrated system, I feel that it is not really necessary to go much over reference (0 dB). some devices like the sony avrs will allow +23 dB OVER Reference!!!? I have a parameter to limit this...
The one downside to managing the volume range is that if you use the AVR OSD, the volume display will not match your UI level display - I personally like to turn the OSD off, but some of my dealers like to keep it on...
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Re: Extron DMP 128 plus working module
On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 01:30 PM, Daniel wrote:
volume will ramp up to 100%
Not preferable??...Haha...
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More info...
1. Using 0-98 vs. dB levels seems to have no effect on the volume control of the unit, or the feedback received.
2. Volume feedback seems to always get the following format:? MVxx\x0DMVMAX yyz\x0D, where xx is the volume level sent (0-98) and yyz is the 'Max' volume level (2 or 3-digit)
3. The AVR 'LIMIT' volume is set to OFF, so no limit?
4. The volume feedback string with MVMAX value (the above yyz) changes with almost every volume transition, instead of being a fixed value as I would expect.
Ex. of return strings (in no particular order):
MV34\x0DMVMAX 665\x0D
MV43\x0DMVMAX 685\x0D
MV76\x0DMVMAX 865\x0D
MV76\x0DMVMAX 86\x0D
MV77\x0DMVMAX 865\x0D
MV83\x0DMVMAX 88\x0D
MV41\x0DMVMAX 67\x0D
MV40\x0DMVMAX 665\x0D? (MVMAX 665\x0D always returned when sending MV00\x0D to MV40\x0D)
MV22\x0DMVMAX 665\x0D
MV01\x0DMVMAX 665\x0D
MV00\x0DMVMAX 665\x0D
MV88\x0DMVMAX 88\x0D? ? (Always returned when sending MV80\x0D to MV99\x0D)
The MVMAX return *Seems* to be related to the volume level vs. the 'Max' level but the 'Marantz_FY21_SR8015_SR7015_PROTOCOL_V01.xls' protocol document?does not?seems to show any response that relates to MVMAX??
And it definitely messes up the Volume feedback processing from the Denon AVR-3313 v1.1 module...
For sanity, I've eliminated using the real Volume Feedback, and will ping Marantz after the holiday...
It sure seems like a Firmware issue, which may affect other installs if/when they get updated...
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Extron DMP 128 plus working module
Hi,
Does anyone here has a working module for extron dmp 128 plus? I have downloaded the module from @crestronfreak but some how ramping is not working properly. When I pulse the ramp down, volume will ramp straight to zero and if pulse ramp up volume will ramp up to 100% same function as mute and unmute?
Does anyone try this module? Please share some thoughts. Thanks
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I've done jobs reusing the cresnet wire for POE with this stuff in case this helps:??
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The PoLRE family of products from NVT Phybridge delivers Power over Ethernet over single-pair UTP cabling with up to 1,200ft (365m) reach
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Thank you?
Thank you, Alan Drespel HED 212-870-0000 ?Ext-118 sent from an untethered device?
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On Sep 4, 2022, at 3:52 AM, david@... wrote:
?We used this exact one a few months ago on a TSW 770 and it worked perfectly. Don't forget to turn the ethernet off on the TP, to make the WiFi work.
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We used this exact one a few months ago on a TSW 770 and it worked perfectly. Don't forget to turn the ethernet off on the TP, to make the WiFi work.
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Re: Crosspoint ECCON Timing
1d on a time symbol is still going to be the same as 1/100s for the time component. Just because you're using different representations of a number in a symbol that accepts it, doesn't change its semantics. You can use the xx:xx:xxss format in a crosspoint symbol, but it all gets translated to a number that represents the ID value. Always use logic wave symbols. I'm curious why anybody would use anything other than 1d on a LWP for crosspoint symbols though, unless the logic requires an offset to align with the switch... :/ These all seem like arbitrary values to me in all honesty. --
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Crestron Service Provider - TBD Enterprises Inc.
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Re: How do I create a list of touch panels in Simpl# Pro
You may also want to use a lookup data structure over a List<T> if that's your approach if you need to grab a panel for any reason. BasicTriListWithSmartObject is acceptable if you're dealing with all SmartGraphics capable touch panels, otherwise BasicTriList is your only option and you can check for the derived class on a type check if needed. Realistically you should have controller classes that wrap these instances to deal with all of the UI logic in some pre-defined way. --
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Crestron Service Provider - TBD Enterprises Inc.
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Re: Crestron CP3 losing program after power failure
tl;dr - KILLPROG silently wipes out the IPTable so the information is gone next boot. --
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Crestron Service Provider - TBD Enterprises Inc.
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Re: Crestron CP3 losing program after power failure
Might be an issue with how you're uploading the programs. I think Toolbox sends a KILLPROG command to ensure that the previous program is wiped, and as long as the IPTable is added after KILLPROG (and not before) your entries should stay there. This may only happen with remapped IP-ID's too, I can't recall. I did have a ticket into Crestron about this though a couple years ago when I discovered the culprit.
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I adjusted for this in my scripts to send the addp commands after killprog to resolve the issue.
Crestron updated my ticket with this:
BR 7182 (below) was marked solved by Control Solutions team noting this is fixed in upcoming 3-Series FW v1.8001.0187.
3-Series - IP Table - Clearing After KILLPROG, PROGLOAD, REBOOT
xref CSAPPS-3826 / BR 5056 = 3 and 4 Series - IP table disappears after reboot.
BR 5056 issue was resolved for 4-Series in FW v2.7000.00052 [Feb2022] - "IPTable gets cleared after removing a program and a reboot."
This new BR was created to track implemenation of fix in 3-Series processors.
3-Series cases from BR 5056 were migrated to BR 7182 for tracking & follow-up.
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Crestron Service Provider - TBD Enterprises Inc.
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Though I haven't used any recently, there are a number of 2-wire to Ehternet+POE adapters that would allow you to use the cresnet as a 'Category' cable and eliminate the need for Wifi connection.
Primarily for the CCTV up-conversion market (old analog to IP cameras) this would be my preferred approach as a wired ethernet connection has much less variables to deal with vs. a WiFi connection.
I know that DoorBird has a product, as well as a number of security/CCTV manufacturers...
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Apple TV 4k - DM EDID recommendations
We have a theater with a Sony 4k projector, Indy Audio Labs MUSE surround processor, dedicated KScape Strato and Apple TV 4K for only the theater.
Sources? are switched thru a DM 16x16 with 4KZ In/Out/RMC units for the Theater (regular units for the rest of the house)
Separate 4KZ DM outputs for the projector and the Muse.?
The KScape works great with 4k Video/Atmos content, but the Apple TV is a mess. We've tried a number of EDIDs and settings in the ATV but we can't get consistent Atmos Audio processing.
The Video works with 4k HDR, but we've had to dumb down the Apple TV audio settings to standard 5.1, if we set it to output Atmos, we get drop-outs, and other weird audio results...
What have others done to get the best A/V performance out of the Apple TV 4K units?? Custom EDIDs? Other settings??...Or is it a lost cause???
TIA!!
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As 802.3at is mentioned in both spec sheets I don't see why this shouldn't work.
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We are tapping off of the existing Cresnet to just use the 24vdc to power up a Tycon POE injector?Just wondering if anyone has tried this successfully with this type of power supply. The manual says their (Crestron's) POE injector would work ?and the Tycon matches their spec. Crestron will not bless this and I am surprised that they do not have a solution and charge 3x more.
I guess we will order one and bench test it?
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Interesting point. I just checked and I'm using the 0-98 scale vs. the dB scale, and I'm quite sure that the other sites are using the 0-98 scale as well...It feels like something has changed...
(Side Rant - What is it about audio manufacturers that cannot get the concept of 0-100/0%-100%??? Is it really so hard to understand that this is how the people that are paying for this would best understand things???? ?I know, pro audio guys think differently, but AVRs are not pro Audio devices...)
And I definitely agree that turn on/turn off levels need to be managed for the exact reason that Michael mentioned. I've chose to deal with it programmatically, setting a turnon volume of my choosing on start up, and setting the volume to '0' before sending the off command.
I also have built volume governor logic to programmatically manage the max volume. In a properly calibrated system, I feel that it is not really necessary to go much over reference (0 dB). some devices like the sony avrs will allow +23 dB OVER Reference!!!? I have a parameter to limit this...
The one downside to managing the volume range is that if you use the AVR OSD, the volume display will not match your UI level display - I personally like to turn the OSD off, but some of my dealers like to keep it on...
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Denon/Marantz can display Volume in ¡°Relative¡±¡0-100 or db¡-80 to +15 db. Note: 0 db is full gain (Loud). Volume On, Max parameters can also be set. I would strongly urge all to select a Turn On/Initialization of perhaps 34 in the Relative mode as opposed to ¡°Last¡±. If you have a wild night with head banging/paint blistering levels and turn the unit off at thst level¡better buckle up cause it will turn back on at that blistering level! ?
Jus Sayin.? Best regards,
Michael S. Moran
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On Sep 2, 2022, at 11:10 PM, AVMaster <AVMaster619@...> wrote:
?I think some of the Marantz units have two different ways of displaying the volume on the unit itself. ?It¡¯s something like 0-100 or the weird dB reading that goes from a negative to zero then something like +10. ?The Marantz has to be in the correct mode in order for the volume to work correctly in the module. It¡¯s in the Marantz menu somewhere. ?This has bitten me a few times in the past if memory serves.
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Re: Marantz SR7400 IR control
So, the ir driver from the app-market works and has a lot of additional functionality compared to the standard driver(s).
Cheers, Thorsten
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Re: Sony Professional Display problems.
Tray,
we have many many Sony FW series professional displays controlling via IP using that module and MPC panels. ? A few things to check.
1. is Simple IP control enabled
2. remove the mains supply completely, then power up after a minute or so. ? We have seen some displays completely loose control and need a full power recycle. ? ?Doing a factory reset did not return control. ?Only physical power off worked.
3. check the port on your tcp module is set to 20060
pro mode doesn't have any relevance to the control over IP¡..this is the last thing we enable after all the testing is complete. ?Its a great feature to lock down the screen and stop end users changing settings after commissioning
if you go too > pro-bravia.sony.net/develop/integrate/ip-control/samples/index.html ? You¡¯ll find a sample web browser control page. ? This is great to just test communication and control is working with the display. ? If I remember you do need to use the Pre Shared Key so remember to switch that off after testing if your not using it in your program.
Rgds Steve
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Troy Garner