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Re: Non-Crestron Audio Player Recommendation? #crestron

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Stefan.Mehre-

What gripes did you have with Autonomic?
Re: Non-Crestron Audio Player Recommendation? #crestron

 

I used Sonos together with Crestron in my home:

- the Sonos app is too small on the 760, you actually need a 1060 to be comfortable
- the dependency between TSW fw and Sonos updates is a pain
- the sonos hw is not good for integration - a bunch of small boxes (connect / connect amp) that either float around the house or you need a special solution to integrate into a rack
- messages / notifications you don?t want to see on a wall panel?

This and the info about the sunsetting of older Sonos gear brought me to look for other options.

Regards,
Thorsten

Am 13.03.2020 11:53:24 schrieb Stefan Andersson <stefan@...>:

This is a pretty interesting discussion, which is the best sound solution for a Crestron-based home in particular. It¡¯s hard to beat Sonos user friendly GUI. I personal think it¡¯s smart with one of Crestrons solution to control Sonos ¨C with their own App. Why invent the wheel again, create a GUI that¡¯s buggy and miss tons of the feature you/customers ?want.

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Take the BluOS ¨C would be great if the could do that with their app like they did with the Sonos app. You can start it from the x60-panels and other touchpanels (Tabs, Ipad etc) too. But it¡¯s only me?
Re: Non-Crestron Audio Player Recommendation? #crestron

 

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This is a pretty interesting discussion, which is the best sound solution for a Crestron-based home in particular. It¡¯s hard to beat Sonos user friendly GUI. I personal think it¡¯s smart with one of Crestrons solution to control Sonos ¨C with their own App. Why invent the wheel again, create a GUI that¡¯s buggy and miss tons of the feature you/customers ?want.

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Take the BluOS ¨C would be great if the could do that with their app like they did with the Sonos app. You can start it from the x60-panels and other touchpanels (Tabs, Ipad etc) too. But it¡¯s only me?
Re: Non-Crestron Audio Player Recommendation? #crestron

 

floyd1212, same for us. Was happy with Autonomic and support was pretty good at the beginning but since
company changes support got hard, development got slow and we got more problems at customer systems.

We now try to jump on BluOS (Bluesound and NAD) because of the overall system possibilities (similar to SONOS
with better sound). But the provided Crestron integration is not up to date, missing features (grouping and some more)
and the way of browsing with lists of 50 items is also not what people are expecting.

So, you know that they are working on a Media Player object integration? never got such an info or even if they are
working on a new module.
Re: Crestron Masters 2020 & Coronavirus

 
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Yep, Steve. Some serious clients have also said no to contractors too. This should be fun. <rolleyes>
Re: Non-Crestron Audio Player Recommendation? #crestron

 

We have a ton of Autonomic units out in the field.? It's the easiest thing to get up and running with Crestron using the Media Player object.?

Unfortunately, they have been failing on us all over the place.? Audio stops working internally, or the unit doesn't boot at all, or an audio stream stops playing for no reason.? Airplay 1 support is there, but sometimes drops off then the unit can't be discovered with your iOS device, etc.? We will be moving to the BlueSound Node2i when their Media Player object integration is ready for prime-time.
Re: Non-Crestron Audio Player Recommendation? #crestron

 

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Which model do you have?

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Date: Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 11:14 AM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [crestron] Non-Crestron Audio Player Recommendation? #crestron

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I have heard some people swear by Autonomics and some that wont touch it with a 10 foot pole. I can tell you we are in the latter of the two. We ate the cost of the product and labor on 3 separate jobs where the Autonomic would become completely unresponsive. Tech support was of no help. I now have 3 door stops in my warehouse and had to eat crow with some good clients.

Re: Non-Crestron Audio Player Recommendation? #crestron

 

I have heard some people swear by Autonomics and some that wont touch it with a 10 foot pole. I can tell you we are in the latter of the two. We ate the cost of the product and labor on 3 separate jobs where the Autonomic would become completely unresponsive. Tech support was of no help. I now have 3 door stops in my warehouse and had to eat crow with some good clients.
Re: DM-MD8X8 CPU3 - Front Panel Menu Stopped Working Randomly

 

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I had an issue back few years ago with certain audio streams would cause the DM to lock up including the front panel.? However that was intermittently.? In that unit I had a mix of 4K and non 4K cards.? In the end, the fix was to replace all the cards with 4K cards.

I have had issues with Toolbox would stop working after it crashed until I rebooted my computer.? Also others have reported issues with the latest version of Toolbox -- you might try an older version.

Also I seen issues with some corruption in the SIMPL program causing issues (usually after updating Crestron software).? It would reboot the DM with the Ethernet disconnected and see if you can talk to it via USB then.

Steve

    
On 3/12/20 3:05 PM, alexandrapettrone
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      Hi Everyone,?

      

      I had a very strange thing happen today. As I was connected to a
      DM-MD8x8 via USB, I could see the unit in Toolbox and proceeded to
      change its IP settings. Everything applied and the system
      rebooted. After rebooting, I could not access the front panel
      menu, toolbox crashed and would not recognize the unit via USB,
      and I could not see it via Ethernet either.?

      

      Has anyone had this issue happen, randomly being locked out of the
      front panel??

      

      I did not enable front panel lock either. So strange.

      

      Thanks for any help or feedback!

      

      Alea
      
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Masters have been postponed due to the virus until the fall, Certs have been extended. Check the official word.

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Hi Everyone,?

I had a very strange thing happen today. As I was connected to a DM-MD8x8 via USB, I could see the unit in Toolbox and proceeded to change its IP settings. Everything applied and the system rebooted. After rebooting, I could not access the front panel menu, toolbox crashed and would not recognize the unit via USB, and I could not see it via Ethernet either.?

Has anyone had this issue happen, randomly being locked out of the front panel??

I did not enable front panel lock either. So strange.

Thanks for any help or feedback!

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I have been hitting issues in general with losing communications to devices on IPIDs 20-40 when loading a program compiled Simpl 4.11.06 onto a processor with firmware under 1.504.

Bringing the firmware up to 1.504 has fixed it every time. I will not use firmware 1.6xxx as there is an issue with loading iPad files with spaces in the name.

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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                                        Hi,

i talked to Ed from Lode 5 weeks ago.
Spotify is supported. The documentation and website is not up-to-date.
I?ll receive a demo unit this week / early next week an will report back.

Regards,
Thorsten

				
					
					

					



                        
Am 12.03.2020 20:33:45 schrieb ftvenezia@... <ftvenezia@...>:
We took a look at Lode, but it doesn't support Spotify or Pandora yet. Most of our clients use Spotify and want the ability to search / browse the catalog from the Crestron GUI. The Autonomic MMS is the only product I have come across that does this. With Sonos integration you can only get Spotify playlists, you cant search for a song or artist from the Crestron media player.

I hope Lode gets on board with Spotify and Pandora as I would like an alternative to Autonomic.






                                        

					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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    You might check if a digital or composite/component video goes off
    when the cable box is off.? Or if the cable box has an audio output,
    you can sense that.
    

    

    I believe Crestron ST-VS can still be had on eBay.
    

    

    I made several runs of a video/SPDIF/audio sensor over the years
    after everyone stop making them.? I still have some in stock in case
    you are interested.? I use them mainly for my own clients. They are
    $115 each -- I know that sounds expensive but for anything less, it
    wouldn't be worth my time to make them.? Here is the link to the
    product if you are interested:
    

    
    

    

    Steve
    

    
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      Good to know. I'm actually dealing with that right now with boxes
      from Cable Vision, but it looks like HDCP is staying high all the
      time as well.?

      

      words cannot describe the depth of hate I have for cable boxes!
      
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You might check if a digital or composite/component video goes off when the cable box is off.? Or if the cable box has an audio output, you can sense that.

I believe Crestron ST-VS can still be had on eBay.

I made several runs of a video/SPDIF/audio sensor over the years after everyone stop making them.? I still have some in stock in case you are interested.? I use them mainly for my own clients. They are $115 each -- 
I know that sounds expensive but for anything less, it wouldn't be worth my time to make them.? Here is the link to the product if you are interested:


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On 3/12/20 2:23 PM, Steve Kuehn via Groups.Io wrote:
True most recovery however you could be one of the unfortunate ones. But personally, I am glad people are taking it seriously. All it takes if for the complication rate to be slightly higher than normal for the medical system to become overwhelmed.

FYI: Tom Hanks is currently in Australia with the Coronavirus. ? I am older than Tom Hanks so I am in the group that is more more likely to have serious complication.

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We took a look at Lode, but it doesn't support Spotify or Pandora yet. Most of our clients use Spotify and want the ability to search / browse the catalog from the Crestron GUI. The Autonomic MMS is the only product I have come across that does this. With Sonos integration you can only get Spotify playlists, you cant search for a song or artist from the Crestron media player.

I hope Lode gets on board with Spotify and Pandora as I would like an alternative to Autonomic.

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Good to know. I'm actually dealing with that right now with boxes from Cable Vision, but it looks like HDCP is staying high all the time as well.?

words cannot describe the depth of hate I have for cable boxes!

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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True most recovery however you could be one of the unfortunate ones.? But personally, I am glad people are taking it seriously. All it takes if for the complication rate to be slightly higher than normal for the medical system to become overwhelmed.

FYI: Tom Hanks is currently in Australia with the Coronavirus. ? I am older than Tom Hanks so I am in the group that is more more likely to have serious complication.

Steve

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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In my area, HDCP detect is more reliable.? Many of the cable boxes around here output a black picture when they are off.? However, all turn HDCP off when they are off and HDCP on when they are on.

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On 3/12/20 12:46 PM, ftvenezia via Groups.Io wrote:
With toggle only cable boxes connected to a DM (or NVX) I have been using the "Source_Sync_Detected" feed back from the card for power status. Is there any difference between that and the "Video_Detected" signal from the DM? is one better than the other?

					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
	

	
	
	
	


	

		
		
		
		
		
	

	

		
		
		
		
		
	

	
	

		
		
		
		
	



	

		

			
	
		

			
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