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Re: Needed Suggestion AV2 Locking Up

 

This is what was in the Error Log. Could this cause the lock up?


System log:

? 1. Notice: Compact Flash Initialized
???? TimeStamp: 04:00:41? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 00:00:01.69? Task: IdleTask
? 2. Notice: System startup: AV2 Cntrl Eng [v4.008.0026 (Jan 28 2015), #7F040D6E]
???? TimeStamp: 04:00:44? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 00:00:04.96? Task: IdleTask
? 3. Notice: Resolution on invalid hostname >invalid.crestron.com< ... setting primary resolution to CIP
???? TimeStamp: 04:00:45? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 00:00:09.09? Task: UDP_Serv
? 4. Notice: Primary Hostname Resolution Configured To Use CIP Hostname Query
???? TimeStamp: 04:00:45? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 00:00:09.17? Task: UDP_Serv
? 5. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:29:50? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:10.96? Task: SYSTEM H
? 6. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:29:50? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:10.96? Task: SYSTEM H
? 7. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:29:50? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:10.96? Task: SYSTEM H
? 8. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:29:50? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:10.96? Task: SYSTEM H
? 9. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:29:50? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:10.96? Task: SYSTEM H
?10. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:29:50? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:10.96? Task: SYSTEM H
?11. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:30:24? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:44.36? Task: SYSTEM H
?12. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:30:24? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:44.36? Task: SYSTEM H
?13. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:30:24? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:44.36? Task: SYSTEM H
?14. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:30:24? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:44.36? Task: SYSTEM H
?15. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:30:24? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:44.36? Task: SYSTEM H
?16. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.1.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 07:30:24? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 03:29:44.36? Task: SYSTEM H
?17. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.8.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 10:48:25? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 06:47:45.39? Task: SYSTEM H
?18. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.8.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 10:48:25? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 06:47:45.39? Task: SYSTEM H
?19. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.8.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 10:48:25? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 06:47:45.39? Task: SYSTEM H
?20. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.8.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 10:48:25? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 06:47:45.39? Task: SYSTEM H
?21. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.8.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 10:48:25? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 06:47:45.39? Task: SYSTEM H
?22. Error: Could not send signal to event handler for module S-2.2.8.1:S-2: -41
???? TimeStamp: 10:48:25? 9-16-15?? UpTime: 0 days 06:47:45.39? Task: SYSTEM H
Total Errors Logged = 22
End of System log
Re: grouping audio zones with crosspoints

 

Just because you can use crosspoints, doesn't mean you should. I use crosspoints but have never ever had the need to use them for a simple audio zone.?
grouping audio zones with crosspoints

[email protected]
 

Hi guys, I'm just getting into crosspoints and have them working with my hvac setup on the tsw752 at our office in terms of select an hvac zone and see feedback and button presses pass thru but I'm a little stumped when it comes to grouping multiple audio zones together. I have it working with the audio as well with just 1 zone at a time selecting but it really seems to me I should be able to do grouping a lot easier thru crosspoints than with my old setup. I have 1 ccross for the touchscreen(tsw752), 1 ecconnect, and 6 ecross(1 for each zone). To do grouping is that all i need for the crosspoints, and the rest is all programming, or should I have a ccross for each zone as well(didnt think so but just trying to think outside the box). Any help is appreciated, I probably should of been working on this early this morning when my brain wasn't fried. Not time critical, just trying to expand my programming so I can start implementing crosspoints into my upcoming projects. Kevin
Re: When to use a cross point

 

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There are a few problems with those assumptions:

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First, touchpanel presses are jammable but not ineherently buffered (in the sense that you would use a buffer to gate signals, etc.) -- anything connected to a touchpanel definition is going to be sent to that touchpanel regardless of if it¡¯s needed. In a small system or for infrequently changing data (e.g. play state feedback from a DVD player probably isn¡¯t an issue¡­ timecode could be) it¡¯s likely not noticiable or worth the effort to avoid, but if you have a number of source devices and or a number of touchpanels you¡¯re generating what could be a lot of overhead for the processor for no good reason.

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Second, for the same reasons, defining every source device on every touchpanel can quickly become cumbersome in the initial build and a right pain in the ass ?for maintenance.

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My use of crosspoints for source control is very much a project-by-project decision based on both the project complexity and my feeling for how ¡°fluid¡± the system is to be. But crosspoints can also really simplify unit testing. For example, one recent project, none of the individual rooms were particularly complicated but the project had more than a few rooms. I built each source ¨C e.g. document camera, cable tuner, bluray, etc. on the equipment end of a crosspoint. Each touchpanel had a ¡°source control¡± control crosspoint with all of the joins ?defined and landed.

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During deployment, any tweaks to source control while I was onsite could easily be lifted and ported across the other rooms with that source after it was tested and validated. If there were a last minute change (e.g. Manufacturer X tuner vs. Manufacturer Y tuner) just needed to pull in the correct folder and change the crosspoint ID that was being referenced. After the fact¡­ the client decided to add a document camera to a system? Easy enough to implement that change order ¨C just add the appropriate source button to the subpage for that room, do the video source selection and change the source control crospsoint ID and done.

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Yes, it could be done with buffers but it would involve a lot more F9ing and general things to potentially get screwed up.

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Crosspoints are not right for every application and some people abuse them in unusual ways but if you understand them they add far more flexibility than buffers ever could. (yes¡­ I¡¯ve built a more-or-less complete hardware abstraction layer out of a lattice of crosspoints. It does the job quite well and allows for more flexibility in the hardware deployment than one probably should need, but it is one of the few cases where only looking at the program and routesymstat could still leave headscratching )

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Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D

Commercial Market Director

Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Gold)

ControlWorks Consulting, LLC

Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Audia Certified | Extron Control Professional

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From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 3:04 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: When to use a cross point

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"Amen - least amount of fuss with this.? Unless you're a masochist that feels the need to re-use the same joins for controlling all sources...

? - Chip"

Agree.? In commercial, I've not seen an advantage to using the same joins for a VCR and DVD or anything else.? If everything lies at a different join #'s, then there is zero reason to use buffers to enable/disable control of a device.? Just connect up the DVD controls to all your panels, and be done.? Easy to program and easy to debug.

TP joins are buffered anyway (at least that's what I've been told many years ago).? I use buffers, but it's more for other type of logic, like matrix switching and other stuff.? Yes, if my program has a TON of buffers, it's usually because I'm controlling some extra-large switcher (64x64 or 128x1 28), where anything can be routed to anywhere.? Those are going to be a pain and have a lot of logic no matter how you program it.

And agree with the statement, that if multiple panels need to be independent, it's the panel navigation that I seperate (menu/page selection), but the control of the devices themselves are not changed whether there is a single touch panel, or multiple.? They are just landed to the other panels.

How I do this, is if the button is for a device, I prefix with [DVD1] or [DVD2], and land to all the panel.? If the button is TP specific (for navigation), I prefix with [TP1] or [TP2].? Then I clone the programming from one panel to the next, and F9 all the [TP1] signals to [TP2], to give the panels discreet navigation logic, but keep the same device control logic/feedback.

-jason
Re: Problem with Nexia Dialer

 

Seems like it should be posted here if someone has it....
Re: When to use a cross point

Andrew Welker
 

Jason, that's why using routesymstat in various situations will help greatly in troubleshooting and understanding someone else's program. That will at least tell you what control crosspoints are connected to what equipment crosspoints, so you have a clue where to look.


On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:16 PM jasonmussetter@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:
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All who says it's "easy" to debug and trace through crosspoints, is neglecting one detail...

It may be "easy" to debug YOUR program, that YOU wrote, and YOU know the crosspoint scheme that YOU use on all YOUR systems, and have a reasonable logical system that YOU came up with and use.

It's is not so "easy" (and I say even more of a PITA), when you're trying to follow a program from another program.? When dealing with a program that THEY wrote, and THEY came up with the crosspoint scheme that THEY use on all THEY'RE system (and you don't), it doesn't matter if they there is a reasonable logical system that THEY came up with and use because it's different than yours and you have no idea what it is and have to figure it out (even assuming they didn't just use random crosspoint ID's that have no logical system to them).

In the first situation, if you like Crosspoints, you might think they are gold.? In the second situation, you WILL think they are not gold, but something of a more brown in color that has a unpleasant odor!

-jason
Re: When to use a cross point

 

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Even with someone else¡¯s program ROUTESYMSTAT makes tracing/debugging it much easier than many of the posts imply.

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If there¡¯s any level of complexity at all to the system I¡¯d rather deal with a somewhat sanely architected Crosspoint-based program than a somewhat-sanely architected layered buffer approach any day.

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Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D

Commercial Market Director

Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Gold)

ControlWorks Consulting, LLC

Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Audia Certified | Extron Control Professional

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From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: When to use a cross point

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All who says it's "easy" to debug and trace through crosspoints, is neglecting one detail...

It may be "easy" to debug YOUR program, that YOU wrote, and YOU know the crosspoint scheme that YOU use on all YOUR systems, and have a reasonable logical system that YOU came up with and use.

It's is not so "easy" (and I say even more of a PITA), when you're trying to follow a program from another program.? When dealing with a program that THEY wrote, and THEY came up with the crosspoint scheme that THEY use on all THEY'RE system (and you don't), it doesn't matter if they there is a reasonable logical system that THEY came up with and use because it's different than yours and you have no idea what it is and have to figure it out (even assuming they didn't just use random crosspoint ID's that have no logical system to them).

In the first situation, if you like Crosspoints, you might think they are gold.? In the second situation, you WILL think they are not gold, but something of a more brown in color that has a unpleasant odor!

-jason
Re: When to use a cross point

 

All who says it's "easy" to debug and trace through crosspoints, is neglecting one detail...

It may be "easy" to debug YOUR program, that YOU wrote, and YOU know the crosspoint scheme that YOU use on all YOUR systems, and have a reasonable logical system that YOU came up with and use.

It's is not so "easy" (and I say even more of a PITA), when you're trying to follow a program from another program.? When dealing with a program that THEY wrote, and THEY came up with the crosspoint scheme that THEY use on all THEY'RE system (and you don't), it doesn't matter if they there is a reasonable logical system that THEY came up with and use because it's different than yours and you have no idea what it is and have to figure it out (even assuming they didn't just use random crosspoint ID's that have no logical system to them).

In the first situation, if you like Crosspoints, you might think they are gold.? In the second situation, you WILL think they are not gold, but something of a more brown in color that has a unpleasant odor!

-jason
www.mpsav.com
Re: Crestron Module

 

You can't retrieve it from the processor, if that's what you are asking.? If this is code that was written by another programmer, and it is a module that they purchased (or wrote), and it wasn't included in the project folder that was sent to you, then you could be out of luck.? Do you know what the missing module is supposed to be controlling?
Re: When to use a cross point

 

"Amen - least amount of fuss with this.? Unless you're a masochist that feels the need to re-use the same joins for controlling all sources...

? - Chip"

Agree.? In commercial, I've not seen an advantage to using the same joins for a VCR and DVD or anything else.? If everything lies at a different join #'s, then there is zero reason to use buffers to enable/disable control of a device.? Just connect up the DVD controls to all your panels, and be done.? Easy to program and easy to debug.

TP joins are buffered anyway (at least that's what I've been told many years ago).? I use buffers, but it's more for other type of logic, like matrix switching and other stuff.? Yes, if my program has a TON of buffers, it's usually because I'm controlling some extra-large switcher (64x64 or 128x128), where anything can be routed to anywhere.? Those are going to be a pain and have a lot of logic no matter how you program it.

And agree with the statement, that if multiple panels need to be independent, it's the panel navigation that I seperate (menu/page selection), but the control of the devices themselves are not changed whether there is a single touch panel, or multiple.? They are just landed to the other panels.

How I do this, is if the button is for a device, I prefix with [DVD1] or [DVD2], and land to all the panel.? If the button is TP specific (for navigation), I prefix with [TP1] or [TP2].? Then I clone the programming from one panel to the next, and F9 all the [TP1] signals to [TP2], to give the panels discreet navigation logic, but keep the same device control logic/feedback.

-jason
www.mpsav.com
Re: Needed Suggestion AV2 Locking Up

 

The only processor I have had weird lock up issues is the first generation of av2, 32 meg versions. Normally they would lock on a code load from too much non volatile memory being declared in simpl+. The funny part is I could load the exact same program into a qmrmc and all would be fine., which I believe is more like an x-gen than a 2-series. This may not be the case with your situation, but may be worth checking out.
Re: POE Power Supply

 

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Pretty much any generic 48 port POE switch or midspan should work (POE+ if you¡¯re trying to power a 4K-RMC-SCALER-C) ¨C you could also use 3x Crestron DM-PSU-16 ¨C I don¡¯t think I¡¯ve ever seen someone actually use one and the port density is stupidly low [you¡¯d need 3RU to go that route, vs 1 RU for the POE switch; possibly 2 RU for the midspan], but that is the purpose for that product existing...

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Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D

Commercial Market Director

Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Gold)

ControlWorks Consulting, LLC

Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Audia Certified | Extron Control Professional

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From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 12:40 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] POE Power Supply

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I have a 32x32 and looking for a power supply that will supply power to about 40 devices (DM Transmitters/Receivers) that will be attached to the switcher. Any recommendations?

Thank you,

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Re: Needed Suggestion AV2 Locking Up

Andrew Welker
 

After the reboot, is there any information in the error log? THat'll be your best clue in as to what is going on with that system.


On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM mpninc@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:
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Hi? All,

Wanted to know what would be best to do on a job that I just installed.? I have a AV2 with 5 iPad, 2 Mobile Phones, Onkyo (TCP/IP), Lutron (TCP/IP Telnet 23) and Swamp.? Also there is security GE NX8E via Serial.? So randomly the processor would locked up and when it does, I cant get into it via toolbox and the only way to restart it is to power cycle via bluebolt (Thanks God!).? I have pretty much and same program installed in other processor (CP2E and Pro2, MC3) and never had this problem before.? I am thinking that the processor is bad and need to be swamp out.? So i am wondering if this is the best solution or do I just replace the ENET Card.

Thanks in advance.
Re: Windows 10 Upgrade

Kool-Aid Drinker
 

The Crestron software engineers have long had problems understanding
file-paths, as evidenced by issues with long paths or paths with
uncommon-but-legal characters.

One of their clever work-arounds to avoid paths is to copy executables
into the compile directory, run them, and immediately delete them --
very virus-like behavior that mostly adds extra time and disk-thrash
(and is why compiles to mapped network drives take so long).

Early in 3-series, the program that calculate S+ nvram usage had a bug
that caused it to access the local network... because it was a newly
copied file every time I compiled, my zealous firewall popped-up a
message every time I compiled...

On 16 Sep 2015 00:34:11 -0700, oliver.hall@... wrote:

Anti virus is what screws up my compiles. I've tried excluding various paths, but it still
blows up occasionally (simpl and s+).

I use avg - it appears simpl compiling opens and closes files in, what should be,
privileged locations.
Re: Mobile Pro (iPhone) font issue

 

DPI is hard, let's redesign the website instead!

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:04 PM, jasonmussetter@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:
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The Font Scaling is a problem on all mobile devices (Apple & Adroid) that have higher DPI than what crestron "expects".? What I've seen, is that if the device is using a fairly high dpi, and you set the custom resolution to match the device.? The font "size" setting is different between VTPro and on the mobile device.

From what I can tell, the font sizing doesn't take into account dpi on the mobile.? So an 12pt font in VTPro is a different size than a 12pt font in mobile.? When scaling is set to on, on the mobile device, I've still seen issues with the font sizing.? The buttons and images get scaled to match what is in VTPro, but the font usually does not, leaving the mobile device with much smaller font's than what was displayed in VTPro.

I've usually had to correct for this by hand, where you make the font size much larger in VTPro than what you want it to look like (it won't lo! ok right, and will have super big text during design), but then when you load the panel, the fonts "shrink" down and look like what you had in mind.? Finding the correct font size then is a effort of trial and error, to see what works once you load it to the device.

I first came across this issue way back in MobilProG when the iPad retina's came out, and was working on a project set to the native retina resolution.? I've recently had this problem using the newer Crestron App on an Android device with custom resolution as well.? The whole project scaled to the new resolution except for the fonts, which I had to go in and up-size them all in the project to look like the TSW panel that was also in the room looked like.? If I just did a straight conversion and load, the fonts came out teeny-tiny on the Android tablet.

-jason




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Jeremy Weatherford
POE Power Supply

[email protected]
 

I have a 32x32 and looking for a power supply that will supply power to about 40 devices (DM Transmitters/Receivers) that will be attached to the switcher. Any recommendations?

Thank you,
Needed Suggestion AV2 Locking Up

 

Hi? All,

Wanted to know what would be best to do on a job that I just installed.? I have a AV2 with 5 iPad, 2 Mobile Phones, Onkyo (TCP/IP), Lutron (TCP/IP Telnet 23) and Swamp.? Also there is security GE NX8E via Serial.? So randomly the processor would locked up and when it does, I cant get into it via toolbox and the only way to restart it is to power cycle via bluebolt (Thanks God!).? I have pretty much and same program installed in other processor (CP2E and Pro2, MC3) and never had this problem before.? I am thinking that the processor is bad and need to be swamp out.? So i am wondering if this is the best solution or do I just replace the ENET Card.

Thanks in advance.
Re: Homeworks QS individual load control - Ro2 module question

Joseph Vossen
 

you can ¡°fake¡± the feedback a lot better if you use an analog rate limiter

<analog out from module> -> <analog rate limiter> -> <analog join on TP>

On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:40 PM, tim@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:



Just finished implementing this today. I found that the module didn't seem to process all feedback correctly especially when a keypad press came in with the current level. I had to add a serial gather to make it work properly, which was also tricky because the login process doesn't use delimiters. The gather might help with the overflow if it isn't processing it correctly like mine was.

I was fairly unimpressed with this module as well because the ramping feature is not a true ramp. It gives the impression of ramping on the interface, but waits until you release the button to actually send the ramp command. I imagine they are trying to avoid an overload of values/commands being sent to and from the Lutron. Can anyone verify this?
Re: Crestron Module

 

Have lots. There's the Autonomic Module, Heos module, Denon Connected receiver module. What are you using to connect iTunes or Pandora?
Re: Crestron Module

 

Yes, once you know what it is.
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