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Re: When to use a cross point

 

All who says it's "easy" to debug and trace through crosspoints, is neglecting one detail...

It may be "easy" to debug YOUR program, that YOU wrote, and YOU know the crosspoint scheme that YOU use on all YOUR systems, and have a reasonable logical system that YOU came up with and use.

It's is not so "easy" (and I say even more of a PITA), when you're trying to follow a program from another program.? When dealing with a program that THEY wrote, and THEY came up with the crosspoint scheme that THEY use on all THEY'RE system (and you don't), it doesn't matter if they there is a reasonable logical system that THEY came up with and use because it's different than yours and you have no idea what it is and have to figure it out (even assuming they didn't just use random crosspoint ID's that have no logical system to them).

In the first situation, if you like Crosspoints, you might think they are gold.? In the second situation, you WILL think they are not gold, but something of a more brown in color that has a unpleasant odor!

-jason
www.mpsav.com
Re: Crestron Module

 

You can't retrieve it from the processor, if that's what you are asking.? If this is code that was written by another programmer, and it is a module that they purchased (or wrote), and it wasn't included in the project folder that was sent to you, then you could be out of luck.? Do you know what the missing module is supposed to be controlling?
Re: When to use a cross point

 

"Amen - least amount of fuss with this.? Unless you're a masochist that feels the need to re-use the same joins for controlling all sources...

? - Chip"

Agree.? In commercial, I've not seen an advantage to using the same joins for a VCR and DVD or anything else.? If everything lies at a different join #'s, then there is zero reason to use buffers to enable/disable control of a device.? Just connect up the DVD controls to all your panels, and be done.? Easy to program and easy to debug.

TP joins are buffered anyway (at least that's what I've been told many years ago).? I use buffers, but it's more for other type of logic, like matrix switching and other stuff.? Yes, if my program has a TON of buffers, it's usually because I'm controlling some extra-large switcher (64x64 or 128x128), where anything can be routed to anywhere.? Those are going to be a pain and have a lot of logic no matter how you program it.

And agree with the statement, that if multiple panels need to be independent, it's the panel navigation that I seperate (menu/page selection), but the control of the devices themselves are not changed whether there is a single touch panel, or multiple.? They are just landed to the other panels.

How I do this, is if the button is for a device, I prefix with [DVD1] or [DVD2], and land to all the panel.? If the button is TP specific (for navigation), I prefix with [TP1] or [TP2].? Then I clone the programming from one panel to the next, and F9 all the [TP1] signals to [TP2], to give the panels discreet navigation logic, but keep the same device control logic/feedback.

-jason
www.mpsav.com
Re: Needed Suggestion AV2 Locking Up

 

The only processor I have had weird lock up issues is the first generation of av2, 32 meg versions. Normally they would lock on a code load from too much non volatile memory being declared in simpl+. The funny part is I could load the exact same program into a qmrmc and all would be fine., which I believe is more like an x-gen than a 2-series. This may not be the case with your situation, but may be worth checking out.
Re: POE Power Supply

 

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Pretty much any generic 48 port POE switch or midspan should work (POE+ if you¡¯re trying to power a 4K-RMC-SCALER-C) ¨C you could also use 3x Crestron DM-PSU-16 ¨C I don¡¯t think I¡¯ve ever seen someone actually use one and the port density is stupidly low [you¡¯d need 3RU to go that route, vs 1 RU for the POE switch; possibly 2 RU for the midspan], but that is the purpose for that product existing...

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Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D

Commercial Market Director

Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Gold)

ControlWorks Consulting, LLC

Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Audia Certified | Extron Control Professional

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From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 12:40 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] POE Power Supply

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I have a 32x32 and looking for a power supply that will supply power to about 40 devices (DM Transmitters/Receivers) that will be attached to the switcher. Any recommendations?

Thank you,

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Re: Needed Suggestion AV2 Locking Up

Andrew Welker
 

After the reboot, is there any information in the error log? THat'll be your best clue in as to what is going on with that system.


On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:37 PM mpninc@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:
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Hi? All,

Wanted to know what would be best to do on a job that I just installed.? I have a AV2 with 5 iPad, 2 Mobile Phones, Onkyo (TCP/IP), Lutron (TCP/IP Telnet 23) and Swamp.? Also there is security GE NX8E via Serial.? So randomly the processor would locked up and when it does, I cant get into it via toolbox and the only way to restart it is to power cycle via bluebolt (Thanks God!).? I have pretty much and same program installed in other processor (CP2E and Pro2, MC3) and never had this problem before.? I am thinking that the processor is bad and need to be swamp out.? So i am wondering if this is the best solution or do I just replace the ENET Card.

Thanks in advance.
Re: Windows 10 Upgrade

Kool-Aid Drinker
 

The Crestron software engineers have long had problems understanding
file-paths, as evidenced by issues with long paths or paths with
uncommon-but-legal characters.

One of their clever work-arounds to avoid paths is to copy executables
into the compile directory, run them, and immediately delete them --
very virus-like behavior that mostly adds extra time and disk-thrash
(and is why compiles to mapped network drives take so long).

Early in 3-series, the program that calculate S+ nvram usage had a bug
that caused it to access the local network... because it was a newly
copied file every time I compiled, my zealous firewall popped-up a
message every time I compiled...

On 16 Sep 2015 00:34:11 -0700, oliver.hall@... wrote:

Anti virus is what screws up my compiles. I've tried excluding various paths, but it still
blows up occasionally (simpl and s+).

I use avg - it appears simpl compiling opens and closes files in, what should be,
privileged locations.
Re: Mobile Pro (iPhone) font issue

 

DPI is hard, let's redesign the website instead!

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 12:04 PM, jasonmussetter@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:
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The Font Scaling is a problem on all mobile devices (Apple & Adroid) that have higher DPI than what crestron "expects".? What I've seen, is that if the device is using a fairly high dpi, and you set the custom resolution to match the device.? The font "size" setting is different between VTPro and on the mobile device.

From what I can tell, the font sizing doesn't take into account dpi on the mobile.? So an 12pt font in VTPro is a different size than a 12pt font in mobile.? When scaling is set to on, on the mobile device, I've still seen issues with the font sizing.? The buttons and images get scaled to match what is in VTPro, but the font usually does not, leaving the mobile device with much smaller font's than what was displayed in VTPro.

I've usually had to correct for this by hand, where you make the font size much larger in VTPro than what you want it to look like (it won't lo! ok right, and will have super big text during design), but then when you load the panel, the fonts "shrink" down and look like what you had in mind.? Finding the correct font size then is a effort of trial and error, to see what works once you load it to the device.

I first came across this issue way back in MobilProG when the iPad retina's came out, and was working on a project set to the native retina resolution.? I've recently had this problem using the newer Crestron App on an Android device with custom resolution as well.? The whole project scaled to the new resolution except for the fonts, which I had to go in and up-size them all in the project to look like the TSW panel that was also in the room looked like.? If I just did a straight conversion and load, the fonts came out teeny-tiny on the Android tablet.

-jason




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Jeremy Weatherford
POE Power Supply

[email protected]
 

I have a 32x32 and looking for a power supply that will supply power to about 40 devices (DM Transmitters/Receivers) that will be attached to the switcher. Any recommendations?

Thank you,
Needed Suggestion AV2 Locking Up

 

Hi? All,

Wanted to know what would be best to do on a job that I just installed.? I have a AV2 with 5 iPad, 2 Mobile Phones, Onkyo (TCP/IP), Lutron (TCP/IP Telnet 23) and Swamp.? Also there is security GE NX8E via Serial.? So randomly the processor would locked up and when it does, I cant get into it via toolbox and the only way to restart it is to power cycle via bluebolt (Thanks God!).? I have pretty much and same program installed in other processor (CP2E and Pro2, MC3) and never had this problem before.? I am thinking that the processor is bad and need to be swamp out.? So i am wondering if this is the best solution or do I just replace the ENET Card.

Thanks in advance.
Re: Homeworks QS individual load control - Ro2 module question

Joseph Vossen
 

you can ¡°fake¡± the feedback a lot better if you use an analog rate limiter

<analog out from module> -> <analog rate limiter> -> <analog join on TP>

On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:40 PM, tim@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:



Just finished implementing this today. I found that the module didn't seem to process all feedback correctly especially when a keypad press came in with the current level. I had to add a serial gather to make it work properly, which was also tricky because the login process doesn't use delimiters. The gather might help with the overflow if it isn't processing it correctly like mine was.

I was fairly unimpressed with this module as well because the ramping feature is not a true ramp. It gives the impression of ramping on the interface, but waits until you release the button to actually send the ramp command. I imagine they are trying to avoid an overload of values/commands being sent to and from the Lutron. Can anyone verify this?
Re: Crestron Module

 

Have lots. There's the Autonomic Module, Heos module, Denon Connected receiver module. What are you using to connect iTunes or Pandora?
Re: Crestron Module

 

Yes, once you know what it is.
Re: How to add a password to access a page or subpage for the TSW-1052?

 

Lincoln is correct, you need to hand roll all the password logic from scratch.? The TSW's now have a built in keyboard at least, but it usually doesn't match the theme or look of the panel you have, so I usually build my own so the GUI of the keypad matches the rest of the project.

It's not as easy, as say AMX, where you can just set a property on a button to "Password Protected", and tell it which password slot to use.? Would be nice if it did, as that is a whole lot easier to add a simple passcode access in AMX land (takes all of about 30seconds), than building your own, with all the logic to check the passcode, what to do when it's correct, what to do when it's not correct, and handling the keypad entry all manually.

Obviously, manually has the most control, as you can make it do what you want, but in AMX you can build it manually, or use their built in passcode handling, and I've longed for that option on Crestron panels for years, as it always seems like the passcodes are not mentioned until the last day, when the client is being trained, and you're trying to get out there and be done, and they say "hey, can this feature be a passcode lockout".

-jason
www.mpsav.com
Re: Mobile Pro (iPhone) font issue

 

The Font Scaling is a problem on all mobile devices (Apple & Adroid) that have higher DPI than what crestron "expects".? What I've seen, is that if the device is using a fairly high dpi, and you set the custom resolution to match the device.? The font "size" setting is different between VTPro and on the mobile device.

From what I can tell, the font sizing doesn't take into account dpi on the mobile.? So an 12pt font in VTPro is a different size than a 12pt font in mobile.? When scaling is set to on, on the mobile device, I've still seen issues with the font sizing.? The buttons and images get scaled to match what is in VTPro, but the font usually does not, leaving the mobile device with much smaller font's than what was displayed in VTPro.

I've usually had to correct for this by hand, where you make the font size much larger in VTPro than what you want it to look like (it won't look right, and will have super big text during design), but then when you load the panel, the fonts "shrink" down and look like what you had in mind.? Finding the correct font size then is a effort of trial and error, to see what works once you load it to the device.

I first came across this issue way back in MobilProG when the iPad retina's came out, and was working on a project set to the native retina resolution.? I've recently had this problem using the newer Crestron App on an Android device with custom resolution as well.? The whole project scaled to the new resolution except for the fonts, which I had to go in and up-size them all in the project to look like the TSW panel that was also in the room looked like.? If I just did a straight conversion and load, the fonts came out teeny-tiny on the Android tablet.

-jason
www.mpsav.com
Re: Crestron Module

[email protected]
 

Can i retrieve it ?
Re: Problem with Nexia Dialer

 

Thank You,
Spoke to Jon at Crestron and he sent me the Mod. Installing it at the customer site.

Thank You for your help.
Re: When to use a cross point

 

I'm pretty sure this crossed into "holy war" territory a long time ago.? There is no right answer, but it behooves you as a programmer to be familiar with crosspoints and know when they could be useful rather than simply dismissing them out of hand.? I try to be an equal-opportunity programmer willing to use any technology, although I will admit to getting stuck in ruts at times.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:09 AM, cfm@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:
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"There's nothing worse that taking over code, hitting F2 on a signal and having it trace to 20+ buffers and then realizing that the whole project is built that way.? I know tracing cross point connects can sometimes be a little difficult"

Wait wait wait...? If you're trying to trace/see where a signal potentially goes?? So you get someone's code, hit F2 on a button press join and see it goes to a control crosspoint symbol.

In order to find out where that signal potentially goes on one or more equipment crosspoint symbols - *that's* a nightmare.? You have to decipher what equipment crosspoint symbol possibilities the logic driving the ECCC supports, THEN track down the symbols that have the corresponding IDs.

I'm not following the logic that suggests that's easier than being presented - instantly - with a list of buffers that the driving signal connects to.? If the comment shown for each of those buffers isn't enough to clue you in to which one(s) you might want, it's a matter of clicking a button to have all of them populated on your screen - again, instantly.? From there you now have access to every p! ossible place the signal goes to, and can simply close any you deem to be irrelevant.

Plus, you have the single buffer enable to help determine relevancy - the logic determining which control crosspoint may or may not be active/connected - not so simple...

If a program has "hundreds" of buffers that a signal goes to - well, then there are bigger issues with that program IMHO - but again - sorting through 100 control crosspoint symbols to find where that signal goes still seems like a bigger headache.

Maybe I'm missing something...?

? - Chip




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Jeremy Weatherford
Re: Homeworks QS individual load control - Ro2 module question

Joseph Vossen
 

I have seen this and have already contacted Lutron about it; I¡¯ll let you know if I hear anything

On Sep 14, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Kol Johnson kol.mstc@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:



a little off topic, R02 feedback sorting module gives me many overflow errors but it is password protected and I cannot open it to increase the declared size.

Anybody seen this and/or have a fix?

From: <Crestron@...> on behalf of "Joseph Vossen jkvossen@... [Crestron]" <Crestron@...>
Reply-To: <Crestron@...>
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 8:19 AM
To: <Crestron@...>
Subject: Re: [Crestron] Homeworks QS individual load control

I have several projects that are controlling quite a few individual loads using the R02 versions, no issues so far.

On Sep 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, tim@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:

I wanted to see if anyone has done individual load control of the Lutron Homeworks QS system and what kind of experience it has been. In the past, I have done basic keypad emulation, but I'm looking to get more detailed on a project. Does everything seem to work smooth? How big of load is this going to put on the processors (this project is going to be about 100 loads)?
Re: Polycom SoundStructure module stops working

[email protected]
 

"Chip, so you're saying I'm not crazy and I may be on to something? Might be time to update this module."

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

I'm *assuming* that whoever was tasked with making the VoIP module took the analog dialer module as a starting point and modified it - and didn't do due diligence.

There is at least one API call that module makes that the VoIP dialer doesn't support, and likewise I believe there are VoIP API hooks that should be included to handle call management that aren't.

? - Chip
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