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-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Robert Parker
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:17 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: Re: [Crestron] Mediasite and Pro3

Thanks Lincoln. Luckily all I have to provide is Record, Stop, and Pause.
It's in an intelligently designed control room with 6 routable monitors and they normally keep the Mediasite on one of those if they are using it.


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Lincoln King-Cliby < lincoln@...> wrote:

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<sour grapes mode="on">
It's bad enough that it will bite you on the 2-series, I don't see why
it would be much different on the 3-series.

It's been long enough that I've managed to block most of the memories
but IIRC, unless you lay out your controls on the VTP file essentially
identically to the demo panel you're in for a massive time sink. The
module also leveraged some panel quirks that are different from panel
type to panel type (e.g. TPS-xx vs. TPS-xxxx vs. TPMC-10 [yes, it was
that long ago] vs. TPMC-not10) and some slightly unusual ways of
getting text on the panel, including text append and scrolling text.

In other words, if you're going to try using it with a CORE3 panel,
plan on spending even more time and you might just be better locking
yourself in a hotel room for a few weeks and burning your own.

Lincoln

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Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Silver)
V: 440.449.1100 x1107 F: 440-449-1106 I:
Crestron Services Provider


-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On
Behalf Of Robert Parker
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:00 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Mediasite and Pro3

Does anyone know if the Sonic Foundry Mediasite V1.0 module will work
on a Pro3? It was easy enough to convert to compile for a Pro3. My
Simpl+ skills aren't good enough to at a glance tell if the code will bite me.

TIA

Robert



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--- In Crestron@..., "avselec" <peter@...> wrote:

Hi Group,
Is anyone in possession of an IR driver for the Panasonic TH-103VX200U plasma? Specifically, I need the Function2 button as well as up/down/left'right/select commands to adjust the 3D settings. It does not appear that these commands are supported via RS-232 which is a bummer. I've perused the files section and did not find any files that supported this function. Thanks in advance to anyone lending assistance.

Peter

--- In Crestron@..., "adrianglen88" <ag@...> wrote:

Just out of interest, what module was causing the Pro2 to random watchdog reboot, as I have a couple of systems that seem to be doing that exact thing and there is nothing obvious going on. Crestron looking into it, but no answers yet.

Adrianglen

--- In Crestron@..., "Chip" <cfm@> wrote:

Lol. Let us know when you can ship over that "spare" processor. I don't think most people have those kicking around for testing like that.

And ironically, I've had just the opposite experience. I have a module that makes a Pro2 randomly watchdog reboot, (and even ATSG can't figure out why - it's not doing all that much) but in a CP3 it just purrs along forever.

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "eagrubbs" <eagrubbs@> wrote:

Load your HVAC/securty program to a spare processor and EISC back the main. That is all you have to do. LOL. I hate it when people say that because it always is a huge pain to do.

3 series are nice, but 2 series are more rock solid. I have seen some weird rebooting issues with 3 series that I have not seen with 2 series. I am not sure if it my fault or the 3 series "features." I personally don't think they recover from us doing something stupid code wise like a 2 series. They are finicky.

--- In Crestron@..., Jeremy Weatherford <jweather@> wrote:

My problems usually wind up being unexplained reboots/memory leaks for some
reason. Turning off HVAC and security control for a week to see if it
spontaneously reboots again is usually incompatible with retaining the
customer's business...


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:51 AM, eagrubbs <eagrubbs@> wrote:

"TB rarely addresses programming issues in my experience except to tell me
to comment out half the program and see if the problem goes away."

Hahaha. And that was after being on the phone for an hour with them too.
Been there and learned just to figure it out, it will be faster. But you
already know that. I have learned that the more you program, you learn when
to call and when not to call TB based on the problem you are having.

BTW. How does commenting it out fix it? That is a, I have no idea what the
problem is answer.



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-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Chip
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:19 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] 3-series out of bounds array references FYI...


Here's a lowdown on a great "feature" in case anyone trips across it before you spend too much time tearing your hair out.

In the 2-series, if you have an array and attempt to access an element beyond what it's declared for, you get a zero result and (I believe) an error in the log. (A slap on the wrists, and obviously not the results you're expecting)

In the 3-series, however - the remainder of the code following the line the error is on is THROWN OUT like last week's rancid leftovers. You get an error in your log, sure - but anything that relied on the block of code completing ain't gonna get satisfied. (Y'know, like, turning off the semaphore on a parsing routine)

So make sure you do range checking before accessing arrays on the 3s... :(

- Chip




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--- In Crestron@..., "Chip" <cfm@...> wrote:

Lol. Let us know when you can ship over that "spare" processor. I don't think most people have those kicking around for testing like that.

And ironically, I've had just the opposite experience. I have a module that makes a Pro2 randomly watchdog reboot, (and even ATSG can't figure out why - it's not doing all that much) but in a CP3 it just purrs along forever.

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "eagrubbs" <eagrubbs@> wrote:

Load your HVAC/securty program to a spare processor and EISC back the main. That is all you have to do. LOL. I hate it when people say that because it always is a huge pain to do.

3 series are nice, but 2 series are more rock solid. I have seen some weird rebooting issues with 3 series that I have not seen with 2 series. I am not sure if it my fault or the 3 series "features." I personally don't think they recover from us doing something stupid code wise like a 2 series. They are finicky.

--- In Crestron@..., Jeremy Weatherford <jweather@> wrote:

My problems usually wind up being unexplained reboots/memory leaks for some
reason. Turning off HVAC and security control for a week to see if it
spontaneously reboots again is usually incompatible with retaining the
customer's business...


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:51 AM, eagrubbs <eagrubbs@> wrote:

"TB rarely addresses programming issues in my experience except to tell me
to comment out half the program and see if the problem goes away."

Hahaha. And that was after being on the phone for an hour with them too.
Been there and learned just to figure it out, it will be faster. But you
already know that. I have learned that the more you program, you learn when
to call and when not to call TB based on the problem you are having.

BTW. How does commenting it out fix it? That is a, I have no idea what the
problem is answer.



------------------------------------




Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the
Database area.
Yahoo!
Groups Links

--
Jeremy Weatherford

--- In Crestron@..., "eagrubbs" <eagrubbs@...> wrote:

Load your HVAC/securty program to a spare processor and EISC back the main. That is all you have to do. LOL. I hate it when people say that because it always is a huge pain to do.

3 series are nice, but 2 series are more rock solid. I have seen some weird rebooting issues with 3 series that I have not seen with 2 series. I am not sure if it my fault or the 3 series "features." I personally don't think they recover from us doing something stupid code wise like a 2 series. They are finicky.

--- In Crestron@..., Jeremy Weatherford <jweather@> wrote:

My problems usually wind up being unexplained reboots/memory leaks for some
reason. Turning off HVAC and security control for a week to see if it
spontaneously reboots again is usually incompatible with retaining the
customer's business...


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:51 AM, eagrubbs <eagrubbs@> wrote:

"TB rarely addresses programming issues in my experience except to tell me
to comment out half the program and see if the problem goes away."

Hahaha. And that was after being on the phone for an hour with them too.
Been there and learned just to figure it out, it will be faster. But you
already know that. I have learned that the more you program, you learn when
to call and when not to call TB based on the problem you are having.

BTW. How does commenting it out fix it? That is a, I have no idea what the
problem is answer.



------------------------------------




Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the
Database area.
Yahoo!
Groups Links

--
Jeremy Weatherford


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--- In Crestron@..., Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:

I didn't think the new Smart Graphics app free version was limited by # of pages but rather by project size. That's a lot tricker to keep in the free domain if you ask me.

Sent from my iPhone

--- In Crestron@..., Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:

Can't believe I'm going to say this but Studio actually does this well. It lets you have two core3UI designer tabs open and you can drag each onto a different monitor if you like.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-08-14, at 8:03 AM, "Chip" <cfm@...> wrote:

Yeah, the snapshot/image editor bit is how I've been rolling. :/ It's "kinda" close?

- Chip

--- In Crestron@..., Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@> wrote:

Not that it really helps, but what I typically do is open Project #1, expand out the project tree, and use SnagIt to capture the (scrolling) workspace window... I then print it out and run down it with a highlighter.

Or if you want to be green open it in your favorite image editor and run the eraser across each line.

--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Silver)
V: 440.449.1100 x1107 F: 440-449-1106 I:
Crestron Services Provider

-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Chip
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:38 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Comparing VTPro projects


Anyone else wish you could launch two instances of VTPro? I have two projects where I want to A/B the list of subpages and subpage references, and the Workspace window just doesn't help...

- Chip




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--- In Crestron@..., "daniel.alephmatic" <daniel@...> wrote:

sweet. Thanks a lot Chip!

--- In Crestron@..., "Chip" <cfm@> wrote:

1 - There is a tech note that goes into this in more depth on Crestron's site, but it basically involves setting up port rules on the router to allow connections from the outside to come in. Depending on the router, you can usually set the iPad to always attempt to use the external address, so the same connection profile will work whether you're on the internal LAN or truly outside.


2 - follows 1 pretty closely. You don't need to change anything on the processor - just rules in the router to let you "dial in" from the outside on port 41794. When it's properly set up, you just need to point Toolbox to the external IP address, and the router will direct the request to the processor.

3 - As long as you have the app running on the iPad, use the Toolbox System Info tool to connect to it. You'll have the option to load a project to it, just like it was any other touch panel.

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "daniel.alephmatic" <daniel@> wrote:

I know this has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't find it. I've got a couple questions:

1. How do you setup a processor and router to enable access with an iPad externally for control?

2. Ho do you setup the processor and router so that I can remotely load updated programs directly onto the processor without being on-site?

3. Last question, How do you load a VT Pro file onto an iPad locally, so it doesn't have to download from processor every time.

Thanks!

--- In Crestron@..., "Chip" <cfm@...> wrote:

1 - There is a tech note that goes into this in more depth on Crestron's site, but it basically involves setting up port rules on the router to allow connections from the outside to come in. Depending on the router, you can usually set the iPad to always attempt to use the external address, so the same connection profile will work whether you're on the internal LAN or truly outside.


2 - follows 1 pretty closely. You don't need to change anything on the processor - just rules in the router to let you "dial in" from the outside on port 41794. When it's properly set up, you just need to point Toolbox to the external IP address, and the router will direct the request to the processor.

3 - As long as you have the app running on the iPad, use the Toolbox System Info tool to connect to it. You'll have the option to load a project to it, just like it was any other touch panel.

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "daniel.alephmatic" <daniel@> wrote:

I know this has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't find it. I've got a couple questions:

1. How do you setup a processor and router to enable access with an iPad externally for control?

2. Ho do you setup the processor and router so that I can remotely load updated programs directly onto the processor without being on-site?

3. Last question, How do you load a VT Pro file onto an iPad locally, so it doesn't have to download from processor every time.

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Robert Parker
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:00 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Mediasite and Pro3

Does anyone know if the Sonic Foundry Mediasite V1.0 module will work on a Pro3? It was easy enough to convert to compile for a Pro3. My Simpl+ skills aren't good enough to at a glance tell if the code will bite me.

TIA

Robert


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Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the Database area.
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--- In Crestron@..., Jeremy Weatherford <jweather@...> wrote:

My problems usually wind up being unexplained reboots/memory leaks for some
reason. Turning off HVAC and security control for a week to see if it
spontaneously reboots again is usually incompatible with retaining the
customer's business...


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:51 AM, eagrubbs <eagrubbs@...> wrote:

"TB rarely addresses programming issues in my experience except to tell me
to comment out half the program and see if the problem goes away."

Hahaha. And that was after being on the phone for an hour with them too.
Been there and learned just to figure it out, it will be faster. But you
already know that. I have learned that the more you program, you learn when
to call and when not to call TB based on the problem you are having.

BTW. How does commenting it out fix it? That is a, I have no idea what the
problem is answer.



------------------------------------




Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the
Database area.
Yahoo!
Groups Links

--
Jeremy Weatherford