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Re: Pretty Toolbox splash

 

Looks great on my dedicated Toolbox laptop. It's not like I need to do
anything else at the same time...


On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Neil Dorin <neildorin@...> wrote:

You guys are all haters.

I think it's pretty :)

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-05-16, at 7:51 PM, "Chip" <cfm@...> wrote:


I thought the SIMPL Windows splash was annoying.

This is exponentially worse.

Clearly the people that implemented this thinking it was a good idea
have never tried to use more than one application at a time on their
computers.

- Chip

--- In Crestron@..., Marc Nield <nieldm@...> wrote:

Is it me or is that new, pretty Toolbox startup splash more annoying
than useful? You start an upload or a compile and then think "oh I'll start
Toolbox" then you can't see what's going on for as long as it takes Toolbox
to start coz the damn splash hogs the screen and won't go away.

Like I said, maybe I am doing something wrong, but if I am not I can't
believe I am alone in my grumpiness�.

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Re: Pretty Toolbox splash

 

As my computer has grown older, I find that I appreciate an acknowledgement that the program actually started after I clicked the icon.

Nothing more annoying than after waiting 5 minutes winding up with 3 instances of Toolbox open...

--- In Crestron@..., Marc Nield <nieldm@...> wrote:

Is it me or is that new, pretty Toolbox startup splash more annoying than useful? You start an upload or a compile and then think "oh I'll start Toolbox" then you can't see what's going on for as long as it takes Toolbox to start coz the damn splash hogs the screen and won't go away.

Like I said, maybe I am doing something wrong, but if I am not I can't believe I am alone in my grumpiness�.


Re: Pretty Toolbox splash

 

+1
Em 16/05/2013 23:16, Neil Dorin escreveu:

You guys are all haters.

I think it's pretty :)

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-05-16, at 7:51 PM, "Chip" <cfm@... <mailto:cfm%40vca.com>>
wrote:


I thought the SIMPL Windows splash was annoying.

This is exponentially worse.

Clearly the people that implemented this thinking it was a good idea
have never tried to use more than one application at a time on their
computers.

- Chip

--- In Crestron@... <mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com>,
Marc Nield <nieldm@...> wrote:

Is it me or is that new, pretty Toolbox startup splash more
annoying than useful? You start an upload or a compile and then think
"oh I'll start Toolbox" then you can't see what's going on for as long
as it takes Toolbox to start coz the damn splash hogs the screen and
won't go away.

Like I said, maybe I am doing something wrong, but if I am not I
can't believe I am alone in my grumpiness�.




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Re: Capture Live HD

 

What are you looking for -- programming? End user? Sales?

It's stupid easy to program basic functionality, though some aspects require more reading of the tea leaves in the help file than I'd like but for your first time there's enough to build a framework that gets you to a point where you don't waste much time onsite.

Setting a static IP via the front panel is a PITA until you realize that DHCP (completely different menu) has to be turned off for before a static IP will "stick" & the one time I tried using one in "Streaming" mode (I had some time to kill on a jobsite) I don't recall it working well, again that was only one time, and every CaptureHD I've done has been used in "Record" mode/as a VCR replacement -- e.g. user plugs their USB drive in, hits record, at end of meeting hits stop and take the drive with them.

Using a composite video camera input in the 2010s feels dirty to me and, it seems, most of my clients as well. As a result, every CaptureHD I've deployed has been the CaptureHD Pro (which accepts Composite or HD-SDI camera inputs; about 75% of them are using HD-SDI now, the remainder for future resistance) but I assume the differences between the two are not that great aside from that.

HTH,

Lincoln

-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of Gerard
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:14 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Capture Live HD

Opinions on this?

Thanks.



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Re: EISC between multiple programs vs. redundant logic in each?

 

Every room gets a processor in 99% of my systems, rarely comes in handy for me.

--- In Crestron@..., "floyd1212" <floyd1212@...> wrote:

I hear what you are saying, but I think there is some benefit, at least in this situation. This is a commercial job, and the programs in slots 4-8 are for conference rooms in the building. Being able to work on a room that is available to me, and not have to reboot a room that is currently occupied, is a benefit.

Obviously, if I have to update something in slots 1-3, there could be an impact on all 5 rooms, depending on what resources they are using in them.

That being said, life would be much easier if I could deal with a single program, and not have a bunch of EISCs going on. But, then I would probably have to work a night shift if I wanted to get anything done.

--- In Crestron@..., "matt_rasmussen_2000" <mjrtoo@> wrote:

I might challenge if it's even a benefit to run multiple programs at all if you're sharing logic between them anyway. There might be exceptions, but in general it's fairly useless to me.


--- In Crestron@..., "floyd1212" <floyd1212@> wrote:

I have a CP3 with programs running in 8 slots. Slots 1-3 are running programs to control the source equipment in the rack: Slot1 for DM and PAD8s, Slot2 for some media players, Slot3 for a pair of Biamps. Slots 4-8 are programs for individual rooms.

If I have signals that originate from Slot2, for example, and are sent to Slots4-8, is it more efficient to minimize the EISC traffic, even if it means some duplicate logic in the 5 program slots that contain the loom logic, or should I create a single instance of that logic in Slot2, even though it means more EISC traffic.

Obviously, it would depend on how much logic vs. how many EISC signals we are talking about, but I guess it's more of a theoretical question.


Autonomic mms media player

Eric Williams
 

I just setup my mms using the media player object. Works pretty well, few txt glitches and searching problems that need to worked out. The mms need a firmware update that may not show up on its configuration GUI. If not you'll need to telnet into the server and send the command "autoupdate hotfix"

Once that's complete under the source tab you see a place for an iP Id and processor IP address.

Thought I would save some folks some trouble.

Eric Williams
Head of Engineering
ABE Networks
240-604-4771


Re: Pretty Toolbox splash

 

You guys are all haters.

I think it's pretty :)
On 2013-05-16, at 7:51 PM, "Chip" <cfm@...> wrote:


I thought the SIMPL Windows splash was annoying.

This is exponentially worse.

Clearly the people that implemented this thinking it was a good idea have never tried to use more than one application at a time on their computers.

- Chip

--- In Crestron@..., Marc Nield <nieldm@...> wrote:

Is it me or is that new, pretty Toolbox startup splash more annoying than useful? You start an upload or a compile and then think "oh I'll start Toolbox" then you can't see what's going on for as long as it takes Toolbox to start coz the damn splash hogs the screen and won't go away.

Like I said, maybe I am doing something wrong, but if I am not I can't believe I am alone in my grumpiness�.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Pretty Toolbox splash

Chip
 

I thought the SIMPL Windows splash was annoying.

This is exponentially worse.

Clearly the people that implemented this thinking it was a good idea have never tried to use more than one application at a time on their computers.

- Chip

--- In Crestron@..., Marc Nield <nieldm@...> wrote:

Is it me or is that new, pretty Toolbox startup splash more annoying than useful? You start an upload or a compile and then think "oh I'll start Toolbox" then you can't see what's going on for as long as it takes Toolbox to start coz the damn splash hogs the screen and won't go away.

Like I said, maybe I am doing something wrong, but if I am not I can't believe I am alone in my grumpiness�.


Re: Not looking for IR codes, just need to know what they would be in rs232 protocol

jhuerta2803
 

If not the wrong way, how else could this be taken?

I don't program 24/7 or anything close to that, so yes I did make it through the cert course without knowing this. Pretty cool, huh?

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

--- In Crestron@..., "Ted" <ted_brincka@...> wrote:

Don't take this the wrong way, but you actually made it all the way to taking the cert exam thinking that IR codes can just be translated to 232? Wow!

--- In Crestron@..., "jhuerta2803" <jav-gen@> wrote:

Sorry for the confusion Chip. I thought that IR codes could be easily converted to rs232 serial commands. I have now learned thanks to you and others that they are not they same.

I was able to find the serial commands in the Files section, and there was also a module that might be useful as well.

Thanks for the input.



--- In Crestron@..., "Chip" <cfm@> wrote:


Your posts are very confusing. (Or it's just been a long day. Or both)

You mention that you want to use RS232 control, but then you talk about capturing IR codes and using an IR bud. Not the same thing.

RS232 control would be using the DB-9 connector on the display and connecting it to a COM port on your processor. No IR. No buds.

There are at least two PFM series RS232 modules already in the SIMPL windows library. There's a decent chance one of them will get you at least power control of the unit, so I'd suggest looking at the documentation for one of the modules and fashioning up an RS232 cable...

If none of those modules work, I'm afraid your best bet to find the RS-232 commands (did I mention these have nothing to do with IR?) would be to call Sony and see if you are lucky enough to find a tech that's willing to dig them out for you.

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "jhuerta2803" <jav-gen@> wrote:

New to this forum, or maybe a long time since my last post. I am working on one of my certification programs and have plasma display that is not listed in the Crestron DB. I managed to capture the IR commands from the remote using the Crestron IR learner, but I need to convert the commands from IR to rs232 since the cert instructions call for rs232 control instead of IR.

I entered the IR codes via the Tx signal to see if they work the way I thought they should be entered into a Serial I/O, but they aren't working. The power_cycle code is 0x010F, and I entered it into the Tx signal as &#92;x00x010F&#92;x03 and the plasma does not turn on.

I guess I am just missing how to enter the command into the serial I/O param. I tried "0x101F", but that doesn't do anything either.

I haven't tried connecting an IR bud to make sure they even work that way, but they seem to be the same as another model that is listed in the database.

Ah, I just saw the bit about Geoffrey Reynold's conversion program. I will try that and see how that works.



--- In Crestron@..., "davestaud" <DaveStaud@> wrote:

I think this belongs in the "Connecting Devices" section...

=================================================================

Q: Where can I find Crestron IR codes for a <brand> <model> ?
A: Discrete codes for most brands that support them, can usually be
found in the Crestron Database -- search by Manufacturer, then look
in the "Generic", "Multiple", or "UnClassified" folders.

Also, most devices will respond to IR drivers for similar models
within the same brand -- ie., the driver for the Mitsubishi HSU-780
will probably work with the 580.

The Remote Central web site has IR codes for a large number of
devices, in Philips Pronto format (see
).
Pronto-style codes can be converted into Crestron format by either of
two pieces of software: 1) Crestron's "Driver Editor And Learner for
Windows" (aka DEAL) can import Pronto-style codes one at a time, or
2) group member Geoffrey Reynolds has written an excellent utility
program that will convert an entire set of Pronto codes (embodied in
a .ccf file) into a Crestron IR driver in one step (see
for details)

Please don't ask the group for IR drivers until you've tried all of
the above -- it's generally considered rude to ask others to do
research that you should be doing for yourself.

=================================================================


Capture Live HD

 

Opinions on this?

Thanks.


Re: Core 3 - Cant print project document?!

 

You can also turn off "Display Object Join Numbers" in VTPro and use a screen capture utility of choice (our standard is SnagIt)

99% of my submittals are built this way because it's (IMO) the only "easy" way to get screenshots with all of the subpages/button states layered exactly as they should be without building a program [since the submittal has to be approved before the program is written, why spend anytime writing program for unapproved touchpanels?]

Lincoln

--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Silver)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
Crestron Services Provider

-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of j.mussetter
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 8:24 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: Core 3 - Cant print project document?!

So wait, you can't do a "print to file" to print the screen shots out to .jpg files anymore with Core3? My clients are going to LOVE that, considering almost all of them ask me to do this at the end of the project so they can use the screen shot to build a user manual for the control system.

Running the panel as an XPanel and doing screen grabs won't fly considering I don't have access to a processor after that the fact, might be at best a workaround for those luckily enough to have bench gear to run it on, but what about the rest of us?

Me thinks my clients are going to start seeing the woes of Core3 real fast when I have to tell them the software doesn't do that anymore... maybe more integrators will start seeing Core3 for what it really is now when it starts effecting them, and they can't put together a training manual for the client anymore.

-Jason

--- In Crestron@..., "avsystemdesign" <avsystemdesign@...> wrote:

Thanks Neil, yeah I do the same but don't have a 3 series processor available right now. Oh well.....never a dull moment!

--- In Crestron@..., Neil Dorin <neildorin@> wrote:

Considering the dynamic nature of most Core3UI content it's pretty much useless anyway. I run my projects as xpanels and use a screenshot tool like Win7 snippet tool or Greenshot to capture the actual state of the UI including button fb and indirect text.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-05-16, at 4:45 PM, "avsystemdesign" <avsystemdesign@> wrote:

Really?! We cant print out our pages, or save them as images?
Please tell me I am missing something.






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Re: Core 3 - Cant print project document?!

 

As Tony mentioned above, this feature is available in VTPro 5.2 which is now released.

--- In Crestron@..., "j.mussetter" <jasonmussetter@...> wrote:

So wait, you can't do a "print to file" to print the screen shots out to .jpg files anymore with Core3? My clients are going to LOVE that, considering almost all of them ask me to do this at the end of the project so they can use the screen shot to build a user manual for the control system.

Running the panel as an XPanel and doing screen grabs won't fly considering I don't have access to a processor after that the fact, might be at best a workaround for those luckily enough to have bench gear to run it on, but what about the rest of us?

Me thinks my clients are going to start seeing the woes of Core3 real fast when I have to tell them the software doesn't do that anymore� maybe more integrators will start seeing Core3 for what it really is now when it starts effecting them, and they can't put together a training manual for the client anymore.

-Jason

--- In Crestron@..., "avsystemdesign" <avsystemdesign@> wrote:

Thanks Neil, yeah I do the same but don't have a 3 series processor available right now. Oh well.....never a dull moment!

--- In Crestron@..., Neil Dorin <neildorin@> wrote:

Considering the dynamic nature of most Core3UI content it's pretty much useless anyway. I run my projects as xpanels and use a screenshot tool like Win7 snippet tool or Greenshot to capture the actual state of the UI including button fb and indirect text.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-05-16, at 4:45 PM, "avsystemdesign" <avsystemdesign@> wrote:

Really?! We cant print out our pages, or save them as images?
Please tell me I am missing something.




Re: Core 3 - Cant print project document?!

 

So wait, you can't do a "print to file" to print the screen shots out to .jpg files anymore with Core3? My clients are going to LOVE that, considering almost all of them ask me to do this at the end of the project so they can use the screen shot to build a user manual for the control system.

Running the panel as an XPanel and doing screen grabs won't fly considering I don't have access to a processor after that the fact, might be at best a workaround for those luckily enough to have bench gear to run it on, but what about the rest of us?

Me thinks my clients are going to start seeing the woes of Core3 real fast when I have to tell them the software doesn't do that anymore� maybe more integrators will start seeing Core3 for what it really is now when it starts effecting them, and they can't put together a training manual for the client anymore.

-Jason

--- In Crestron@..., "avsystemdesign" <avsystemdesign@...> wrote:

Thanks Neil, yeah I do the same but don't have a 3 series processor available right now. Oh well.....never a dull moment!

--- In Crestron@..., Neil Dorin <neildorin@> wrote:

Considering the dynamic nature of most Core3UI content it's pretty much useless anyway. I run my projects as xpanels and use a screenshot tool like Win7 snippet tool or Greenshot to capture the actual state of the UI including button fb and indirect text.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-05-16, at 4:45 PM, "avsystemdesign" <avsystemdesign@> wrote:

Really?! We cant print out our pages, or save them as images?
Please tell me I am missing something.




Lighting weirdness � D3 Pro

 

I have a project where the customer says the dining room lights turn on by themselves� kind of randomly.
The project is medium size and we are using a bunch of CLW-DIMEX'es everywhere.
This has been happening for many months now. Last night the customer said he turned off his office light and walked towards the kitchen, and about 15 seconds later, the dining room lights turned on by themselves.
I am positive this is not a "vacation scheduler playback" issue because the customer is very knowledgeable and also the problem happens only on that area (and nowhere else).

My question:
Did any of you guys ever experienced weirdness in the Infinet-EX line of switches? Did you ever have a device start acting up like that?

Any shared experiences are welcome
Thanks,
Fabio


Re: EISC between multiple programs vs. redundant logic in each?

 

I hear what you are saying, but I think there is some benefit, at least in this situation. This is a commercial job, and the programs in slots 4-8 are for conference rooms in the building. Being able to work on a room that is available to me, and not have to reboot a room that is currently occupied, is a benefit.

Obviously, if I have to update something in slots 1-3, there could be an impact on all 5 rooms, depending on what resources they are using in them.

That being said, life would be much easier if I could deal with a single program, and not have a bunch of EISCs going on. But, then I would probably have to work a night shift if I wanted to get anything done.

--- In Crestron@..., "matt_rasmussen_2000" <mjrtoo@...> wrote:

I might challenge if it's even a benefit to run multiple programs at all if you're sharing logic between them anyway. There might be exceptions, but in general it's fairly useless to me.


--- In Crestron@..., "floyd1212" <floyd1212@> wrote:

I have a CP3 with programs running in 8 slots. Slots 1-3 are running programs to control the source equipment in the rack: Slot1 for DM and PAD8s, Slot2 for some media players, Slot3 for a pair of Biamps. Slots 4-8 are programs for individual rooms.

If I have signals that originate from Slot2, for example, and are sent to Slots4-8, is it more efficient to minimize the EISC traffic, even if it means some duplicate logic in the 5 program slots that contain the loom logic, or should I create a single instance of that logic in Slot2, even though it means more EISC traffic.

Obviously, it would depend on how much logic vs. how many EISC signals we are talking about, but I guess it's more of a theoretical question.


Re: OT: Karaoke machine

 

I'm unfamiliar with all of the latest offerings, but intuition tells me
that DJ/karaoke = disposable.

If a standalone device can play these formats, then a PC or other media
device should too.

I know that there's newer MP3+G formats, and even .MP4 videos.

What's the practicality of controlling a software application?

Chris

On May 16, 2013 6:31 PM, "stainbow1" <stainbow1@...> wrote:

**


I have a Client that has the same machine, and he's asking me about adding
music. I took the job over, so I know nothing about this piece. Would you
mind (or anyone) telling me how this is done? I know about the CAVS
website, which is terrible, and no new music since 2010. I found a lot of
music for it on other websites, but the cdg file doesn't seem to work with
the unit, it has to be a ngc or something, in order to get the words going.

Can anyone help me out with this?

I figured out how to number them and transfer them to the unit, and I can
get them to play, but I just get no words on the screen.

Thanks
Stephen D.

--- In Crestron@..., "andyross94928" <sifuas@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have a client with an old CAVS JB-199 Premier Karaoke player that
hates the process needed to get new song files onto the unit ( USB, CD, or
clunky software provided by the manufacturer ).

Does anyone have a recommendation or know of a company that may have
some more modern features like the ability to download songs from an
onscreen interface?

Any advice is appreciated.

-andy


Re: OT: Karaoke machine

stainbow1
 

I have a Client that has the same machine, and he's asking me about adding music. I took the job over, so I know nothing about this piece. Would you mind (or anyone) telling me how this is done? I know about the CAVS website, which is terrible, and no new music since 2010. I found a lot of music for it on other websites, but the cdg file doesn't seem to work with the unit, it has to be a ngc or something, in order to get the words going.

Can anyone help me out with this?

I figured out how to number them and transfer them to the unit, and I can get them to play, but I just get no words on the screen.

Thanks
Stephen D.

--- In Crestron@..., "andyross94928" <sifuas@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I have a client with an old CAVS JB-199 Premier Karaoke player that hates the process needed to get new song files onto the unit ( USB, CD, or clunky software provided by the manufacturer ).

Does anyone have a recommendation or know of a company that may have some more modern features like the ability to download songs from an onscreen interface?

Any advice is appreciated.

-andy


Re: NVS-200 audio issue

 

True. As far as I can tell there is no option to select microphone or line-level, only the input gain adjustment on the audio settings screen.

The manual shows the specs for the AUDIO IN as:

(1) 3.5 mm 3-conductor TRS mini-phone jack;
Mic/line input supporting an electret condenser microphone (ECM) or unbalanced stereo source ("tip" and "ring" are internally summed to mono);
Input level: 1 Vrms maximum;
Input impedance: 80 k&#937; nominal;
Mic bias: provides bias voltage on "ring" for ECM

Input level maximum I believe is standard for line-level sources... Should be able to work according to this.

--- In Crestron@..., Jon Spackman <fueler1@...> wrote:

Handle and work right are not the same thing. Does it have any way to tell it the audio is line or mic?

Sent from my pocket computer


Re: Lighting Challege - Recall, Save and Off from One Button

 

"OR" the digital on feedback from all the loads. Use this to drive a buffer.

Run the not_held output press through the buffer (i1 and o1) and trigger
the off digital, or an INIT to set 0%.

Use that same OR'd digital to drive a NOT and then another buffer. Run the
not_held output press through that and connect it to the recall/on logic.

The held output triggers your save logic.

Chris
On May 16, 2013 5:57 PM, "rocketshipav" <mpninc@...> wrote:

**


I have been given a task by my boss to give a customer the ability to
Recall, Save and Off from one button. So i am able to get the Save and
Recall using the following ARAM, Press and Hold, and toggle. The challeging
part is the Off when the preset is on. Now the Off will only turn off the
lights that are in the preset so if other lights are turn on they will stay
on. I found out that if I use the DRAM at the same time when storing the
analog value, I will know what lights are in the preset. The part that I am
stuck on is the DRAM, If it is recall the out stay high unless another
preset is call. I called TB and they told me that I will need to write my
own simpl+ module on the DRAM part. Anyone have done this already and want
to share? I been much appreciative for the help.

Thanks in advance!



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Re: NVS-200 audio issue

 

Handle and work right are not the same thing. Does it have any way to tell it the audio is line or mic?

Sent from my pocket computer