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Over the years, I have programmed in many different languages

For some, programming languages are more of a religious war (like

Simpl and S+ are just programming languages. We need to learn their

I know that in this environment, I am not one of your 'cream of the

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On

Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:10 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: Question on finding the number of defined

...I'm not knocking anyone here; we all
have to start somewhere, but there do appear to be a lot of guys
programming systems with some pretty shaky foundations in procedural
languages, and even simple syntactic issues (like the root of this
thread) could wreak havoc scrambling your processor's brains. So I
suppose you could argue "Pointers don't kill processors, programmers
do" ;-)


Hey, I resemble that comment. ;)

But in all honesty, I think the majority of Crestron programmers
don't have procedural backgrounds, and don't really need to, it's not
a procedural language, some people might even say that it's not MEANT
to be programmed with S+.

A lot of the programmers here are the 'cream of the crop' and I for
one appreciate the help, but I also like to think I help as well.
Sure, not with pointers or 'dynamic memory assignment' or what-have-
you, and also make syntax errors that I ask about, but helping out
with a 'I can't figure out how the example checksum is calculated' is
good too...right? ;)




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Hey Chip,

Thanks for your reply! I spent about a day or two trying to figure
out how I could program this in SIMPL+ and eventually gave up

I couldn't figure out how to do it. I went back to SIMPL Windows

continued writing the module. When I look at the code I've written

SIMPL Windows it just looks like a lot of code and when I see my

go that way I start thinking I've made things too complicated. My
paranoia starts going because I think signals won't be resolved in
logic waves and then things won't work exactly as they should. I've
done all I can to keep the code down to it's minimum so things will
work efficiently.

Since the menu is going to be generated by a TPS-GA-TPI (touchpanel
interface for standard display devices) there will be no touch input
to navigate the menu. The only device to interface with the menu
being displayed will be an ML-600 remote. When the user presses

on the ML-600, I want the Menu to toggle on/off. They will then

to use the direction pad to navigate the on-screen menu. I've

this down into two components, Menu Selection and Menu Control which
is selected by the left/right dirpad buttons. When in Menu

mode the user is choosing from the list of rooms, sources, lights,
shades, etc. when the user is in Menu Control mode the user is
selecting options from the current Menu Selection. Example, when

user selected rooms from the Menu Selection they immediately switch

Menu Control mode and start choosing a floor followed by a room.

inputs are fairly simple dirpad signals and such to control
navigation. Output signals are to switch between pages and subpages
for menu navigation. Example: pressing the Enter button on the

when selecting Rooms from the Menu Selection list will switch the
TPS-GA-TPI to display the room selection page and force the Floor
Selection subpage high. After using the up/down dirpad buttons the
user will select a floor and press the dirpad enter button again to
choose a floor which will display the room list for that floor.

This is why I was thinking of using an array. In SIMPL Windows I
control this using a Ring Counter with Seed so I can send an analog
value to the Ring counter to turn all outputs off or force one on.
This in conjunction with interlocks help to enable the correct

for navigational control. If I knew how to create a buffer in

I might have enough to make the module work. However, I keep

I'm reinventing the wheel if all I'm doing is making the same

in SIMPL+ that I've already written in SIMPL Windows.

I hope this answers your question. I appreciate your input and
perhaps you're right. Maybe I should keep this in SIMPL Windows. At
least I'll know how to troubleshoot it! lol

Thanks,

- Chris


--- In Crestron@..., "Chip Moody" <cfm@> wrote:

I'm certainly not going to steer you away from diving into S+,

I'm going to question whether what you're trying to accomplish in

case is better off left in SIMPL. Based on what you've

doesn't sound like you're going to be pushing the limits on the
processor by any means - even if you had 16 instances of

of code AND had 16 people pounding buttons in each zone at the

time. (16 instances of a block of code with a zillion signals

only one instance is going to be used by the client at any one

pretty much a non-issue)

If you want to neaten things up a bit, get the block to a point
where you think it's got all the goezintas and goezouttas you

and turn it into a SIMPL module. Then you can just drop 16

of the completed module into your program. No, it doesn't make

difference on processing - it'll just make your main program's

easier to read through and maintain.

If you're still interested in making an S+ version for
self-educational purposes at the very least, could you describe

signals going in/out a bit more? I wasn't able to get a clear

picture to advise/suggest S+ approaches.

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "scates98" <ccates98@> wrote:

Hi all,

Sorry for the long post, but I like to give a lot of details to

people understand what I'm trying to do. I'm an experienced

Windows programmer but SIMPL+ is still pretty new to me. I'm

to find a way to program a custom menu subsystem for my client

hoping someone could help me in building this in SIMPL+.

The client will be using an ML-600 and he's only going to be

some basic inputs like: dirpad up/down/left/right/enter and page
up/down on the remote to navigate an on-screen display

TPS-GA-TPI. He wants to have the ability to control any zone

house. So I've created a GUI so he can select room control,

control, lighting control, climate control, shade control and

control.

In SIMPL Windows I am using a series of buffers and interlocks

control when the dirpad up/down/left...etc. signals are in use

particular menu. I am also using a series of Ring Counter with

symbols to allow him to navigate the on-screen menu using only

dirpad on the ML-600. Example: the user selects "Choose Room"

the primary menu, then uses the ring counter to scroll through

floors, another ring counter controls the scrolling through

the selected floor.

As I'm building this project, I am noticing that my menu

in SIMPL Windows, is creating a lot of signals and I'm

how well it will function after I've duplicated it for all

require it (at least 16 zones). I know that if I were to build

in SIMPL+ it would be much more efficient and easier to copy,

confused on how I could write it as I'm not experienced in

thought of using an array to create a table where the first row

contain values for the primary menu (rooms, sources, lights,

Then each column would contain values for each of the primary

items (ex: 1=first floor, 2=main floor, 3=upper floor, etc.).

I do not understand how to buffer the dirpad up/down commands to
control the scrolling through the list. I keep thinking about

an IF statement but then I'm writing a large amount of nested IF
statements to control when the up/down command is enabled for a
specific menu. Perhaps using a long SWITCH/CASE statement would

work?

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated as I know

to get my head into SIMPL+ programming to become a better

Please try not to get too technical with your replies as I'm

new to programming this way and can get lost quickly.

Thanks In Advance For All Your Help,

- Scates

P.S. I've read the SIMPL+ programming help PDF and it's helped

get this far. I really need to take some sort of programming

better learn this.

Anyone know why with my simpl+ the digital inputs are on the same

?
As it stands now, the paraters start at the top of the symbol and

?
Any help would be appreciated




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Anyone know why with my simpl+ the digital inputs are on the same

?
As it stands now, the paraters start at the top of the symbol and

?
Any help would be appreciated

--- In Crestron@..., Chris Erskine <chris@> wrote:

How much memory is in your PC and what is the usage of the memory

when you are compiling? Does it exceed the physical memory so that it
starts swapping?

Hey Chris

I have 6 gig of ddr3 memory but because I am using xp, the os only
sees 3.24 gig - vt uses 300,000 kb in memory usage when I working on
the program - am using the new I-7 intel processing ship as well -
the memory usage is so massive that I suspect it is the culprit but
my old pc using a P3 processor would use only 70-80000 kb of memory
when using vt.....

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On

Behalf Of Nightcountry

Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:49 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: vtpro-e hang time

--- In Crestron@..., "scates98" <ccates98@> wrote:

I experience this problems on some panels as well but I just have to
wait a minute or two and it always finishes. I've found that I

have to be careful not to use too many fonts in my projects as it
causes the compile time to slow down as wall as keeps the file size
too large for some panels. My recommendation to you is to eliminate
any unnecessary fonts and give it another go.

- Ccates

Thanks - the file size I am using with the tps6l is around 10 meg
however the panels capacity is 28 - when you say eliminate unnecessary
fonts do you mean the number of font styles or just text information?
Cheers

--- In Crestron@..., "Nightcountry" <patrickbedford@>
wrote:

Hi is anyone else having a problem when compiling a vtpro

pc hangs at 50 percent when loading fonts and sometimes freezes
completely - another installer I know is having the same issues

.....

the program is taking 300,000 kb in memory - have an I-7 processor
with 6 gigs of ram
and am still having problems - with vt 3.8 and now with vt 3.9
thanks

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From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On

Of fooguy89
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:17 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Re: A wireless router for every rack...?



Is that really true - if you have a legal signoff they can still

you responsible? Then what's the point of a signoff, in general?

(Note that I think having a WAP installed by default is a bad idea

much as the rest of the people here.)

--- In Crestron@yahoogroup <mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com>

Dravet <jason.dravet@> wrote:

Even if in the equipment specs you say you are installing a AP and

the customer signs off you might be responsible as the customer

doesn't know what he is signing for and the AP has no legitimate
function.

You know, I can see some bored CS or EE students screwing with a

system just for kicks, that is how we learn ;) But, in the real

has the time and resources, inclination and product knowledge to do

sort of hacking on a system where there is not the slightest profit

so. Why not spend their time trying to hack into Obama's

want some fun? WRT to drapes and other motorized devices, your

your hardware should make such jammage impossible, because it is

likely that a user (most are dangerous) will damage something. I

were just trying to provide an illustrative example. I guess if I

worried about it I would be more concerned about someone

processor and wiping out the program. But, unless you are familiar

control systems it would take quite a bit of fishing to figure out

it. My old linksys with talisman firmware never forgets who it is,

can turn down the transmit power so the signal is unavailable at

If you think through the application and select the proper

settings, as with any portion of the system, it will most likely do

intended without causing trouble. After all, knowing how to do all

why we get the big bucks.

JM$.02

Kol


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From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On

Of Jason Dravet
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:34 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: Re: [Crestron] A wireless router for every rack...?



--- On Wed, 1/21/09, uscurtin <jcurtin@usc. <mailto:jcurtin%

wrote:

The setup:
So my boss has recently decided that a wireless router
should be put
in place into every rack we install from now on (or build,
if multiple
racks exist in a single build) so that a tech can hook up
to the rack
wirelessly whenever they need to service the rack. This
mandate
extends for all racks, regardless of whether or not
wireless products
exist in the build (since the router is primarily for
service).

I have more than several reservations against this notion,
but rather
than share them immediately, I was wondering what the rest
of you
thought of this concept. I'm interested in all sides
of the argument,
so please post whatever thoughts you have on this idea.

-Justin

Personally I don't like wireless. Most are not secure (and I am not

talking about WEP/WPA. A friend just purchased a Wireless AP and

it. The router was a NetGear wpn842 I think. It worked great after I
installed it. When I install equipment I always check for updated

It is a good thing to as router would lose its settings after a

failure without this update. Two weeks later his house lost power

the settings were erased. That router was returned and another

from a different vendor. But this illustrates APs have to be

whereas popular belief is set it up and forgot about it.

For installs I do for business I usually spec Cisco as people know

But having extra functions just because is not a good thing. Even

is strictly for Crestron and not connected to the home or internet

way in. If someone were to hack into the network via a AP that the

didn't spec or know about who knows what trouble the hacker could

You might be responsible for any damage that occurred. Say the

figures out how to open and close the curtains. Depending on the

could overheat it (open/close repeatedly, or figure out how to jam

motor) and cause a fire. Even if in the equipment specs you say you

installing a AP and the customer signs off you might be responsible

customer really doesn't know what he is signing for and the AP has

legitimate function.

Of course always check with a lawyer.
Jason







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Even if in the equipment specs you say you are installing a AP and