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Re: Construct and Masters 2025
Also, I'm a little annoyed that I can't assign a page to a reserved join above 16000, for example, many of my VTPRO projects had specially designed error pages that would automatically show if the panel ever lost connection to the control processor, because VTPRO let me set the visibility join for the page to 18495.? Construct doesn't seem to let me do that. |
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Re: Construct and Masters 2025
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýCrestron announced with the introduction of the TST-1080 at Masters in 2023 that all panels going forward would be HTML5/Construct only so this isn¡¯t/shouldn¡¯t be new news ? Go already has a replacement: Crestron ONE (per the keynote ¡®now¡¯ free ¨C not sure if that¡¯s a recent change or has been this way for a while) ? TSRs will live out their life as-is (though, since IIRC the Crestron home experience is already HTML5 it seems like a relatively minimal effort to flip the switch to either have a HTML5-supporting or HTML5-exclusive firmware release (excuse my general lack of familiarity with the TSR310 as I have never seen one in real life, let alone deployed one on a project ¨C I just recently got my hands on a enough TSR-302s to replace my stable of MLX-3s at home ?) but the successor will be a HTML5 experience. ? The message is that VTPro feature parity is important and a work in progress, though what the heck is a MPO (Metropolitan Planning Organization? Medical Product Outsourcing?) ?and does it exist in VTP today? ? I¡¯m not running towards Construct with arms wide open but VTP has been the loved family member suffering from dementia going down hill for a while now and needs to be gently put down. (I don¡¯t even do that much UI work and when it¡¯s ¡°please don¡¯t crash again¡please don¡¯t crash again¡please don¡¯t¡ oh thank god it didn¡¯t crash, let me save before I make that mistake again¡±) ? Lincoln ? -- Lincoln King-Cliby Commercial Market Director ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of ckangis
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 11:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [crestron] Construct and Masters 2025 ? Hi All, I heard that it was announced that all new panels(UIs?) will only support HTML5/Construct. This of course pushes the deprecation of VTPro closer, which I expect of course. I'm assuming that they'll have to keep it around to support the TSR and GO app, which kinda sux to have two platforms to support all the UI devices - Anyone heard plans for this issue?? Also, they're supposed to be getting the MPO ported over to Construct by the end of the year for us resi guys... Can anyone illuminate more details on what they've heard about this? ? My concerns: - Construct needs to be solid - This forum has detailed much of the suffering over the last 2.5+ years. How are things going? Any light that we would be able to deliver real, client systems with it now/anytime soon? - We need the MPO - Ideally we need to have Construct support all the UI types ? TIA! |
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Re: Construct and Masters 2025
Widget Lists and Contracts are still tedious and clunky to use in SIMPL compared to Smart Objects.? If I've got a subpage reference list in VTPRO, populating the signals for all items in it is quick and easy.? But with Construct, every item in the list gets its own symbol with collapsed joins on separate tabs, and suddenly populating a list of 52 signals goes from 4 clicks and 3 keystrokes to something in the order of 250 clicks and 500 keystrokes. |
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Re: Construct and Masters 2025
Agreed. ?to the OP's point we have real client systems in deployment with construct that are working well. ?Sure theres growing pains and it may be a bit easier for us commercial dealers right now as the missing objects arent as critical but it does work.
And surely the TSR will get a refresh sometime soon and be an HTML product. ?I bet by EoY Construct will be our default rather than VTPro. ?Especially once the programming plugin is released for production. ?
I know the roll out has been long and full of missing features but I appreciate this approach to allow us time to onboard it rather than dropping a new panel and the software for it at the same time and being thrown into the deep end. ? I also appreciate how responsive Ara and the development team have been with the EAP. ?We've got a voice into the thing rather that it just being dumped on us. |
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Re: What is this Console Notice??
MIB refers to SNMP, used for network monitoring - if you aren't doing anything with SNMP I wouldn't worry about it. On Sat, May 17, 2025 at 11:34?AM ckangis via <chris=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Construct and Masters 2025
I like Construct better than VTPro which feels ancient now. It improves with each new version. My recommendation would be to build a project from scratch rather than try importing a VTPro project. It helps you get familiar with the program and you get exactly the results that you want. |
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Re: Construct and Masters 2025
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking (Afraid of!) ...
It seems to me that if Crestron wants to move completely to HTML panels, then they should make a way to do ALL UIs in HTML...
TSR and iPhone are kinda important, at least for resi...oh wait!?!? We have HOME!! we're saved...:( |
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Re: Construct and Masters 2025
Hi Chris,
I don¡¯t think anyone could do more than speculate on the first two concerns - other than Construct is improving all the time and the MPO is on the list, but without a *firm* commitment to time.?
The one that I would put money on is that Construct will *never* support Adobe Air or the older (iSys?!) style projects. Ol |
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Re: Directv Control mystery + 3Path IR file - takeover job
After a long delay I was back at this job today. I was able to get the Just Add Power switch working but control of the source Directv boxes and displays is still basically a mystery.
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It appears the Directv boxes are controlled by CEC through the Just Add Power encoder endpoint boxes. Not having the source code, the best clues I have are looking at the .dlls in the source .lpz. The WHO command suggests there's an instance of JAP_Receiver_Control_V_1.dll on every input. This is not a file that JAP provides. If anyone has this please share. I also see these: CrestronCertifiedDriversTvTunerModule_v1_7.dll and Directv_Direct_Tuning_SHEF_v1_0.dll. I need to look in the user folder to see the name of the actual driver if they're using the certified module.?
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I think the display use something called the SOIP module which looks like it can turn displays on and off with CEC. The helpfile for this is in JAP's download package for Crestron drivers, but the .umc is missing. I've asked for it.
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Thanks so much in advance
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Construct and Masters 2025
Hi All,
I heard that it was announced that all new panels(UIs?) will only support HTML5/Construct. This of course pushes the deprecation of VTPro closer, which I expect of course. I'm assuming that they'll have to keep it around to support the TSR and GO app, which kinda sux to have two platforms to support all the UI devices - Anyone heard plans for this issue??
Also, they're supposed to be getting the MPO ported over to Construct by the end of the year for us resi guys...
Can anyone illuminate more details on what they've heard about this?
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My concerns:
- Construct needs to be solid - This forum has detailed much of the suffering over the last 2.5+ years. How are things going? Any light that we would be able to deliver real, client systems with it now/anytime soon?
- We need the MPO
- Ideally we need to have Construct support all the UI types
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TIA! |
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Re: Shared Gateway
FYI...
So you can Add a 3rd (or more?) IPT entries by way of the console command, but SystemInfo ToolBox, at least the latest version, v3.13.6, only lets you add up to two entries. Once added, it seems that TBx will allow editing of all but not adding...
Same with the GW1 in TBx... |
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Re: TSR Performance issues
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I haven't seen any downsides to rolling back firmware for systems programmed in SIMPL. But I would do a factory reset after downgrading firmware.?
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But yes you have to use v3+ firmware with Crestron Home.
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Also in situations with network chatter, I usually put the TSR-310 on its own VLAN with its own SSID.
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Re: TSR Performance issues
I have had these units on dedicated SSIDs locked to only one AP for each remote for a while now, so they would not roam.
With the v3 firmware, I have moved them to 5ghz band only.
Like Alex, I have not had issues on most sites (at least no complaints), but this one site has been a problem all along, worse in the last few weeks.
The network is a high-end FortiGate Router w/ Ruckus switches and APs (R650's) managed by WhyReboot (who I recommend Highly!).
Currently running on a PRO3 w/ latest FW and the remotes running the latest v3 as mentioned.
I also have VoiceControl enabled (By Default I assume), as we are using this. As it turns out, the Voice lookup with the TSR works really well! and I've been using it with Apple TV via the UltaMation interface, and the Comcast/xFinity voice interface - Both work really well!
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@Alex Teague - I'm running an ADAPT interface with their latest CLZ. We've been noticing sluggish page flipping and sometimes the SubPages don't load!? I know you don't deal with it much anymore but thought I'd mention it, as it seems weird to me that if I get to a page, the SPg's that are driven by latched signals should also populate as well, but sometimes they don't... |
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Re: TSR Performance issues
@ckangis, I haven't heard anything like that. There is a requirement to use the tsr-310_3.000.0010.puf FW with the latest version of CH or vice-versa. I'm pretty sure I saw that somewhere recently. That could be what your network guy was referencing and possibly related to the chipset.
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I also have several sites where I can't get TSR-310's working reliably. I've tried everything I can think of, even dedicating an AP to the remote and still no luck. What's strange is that I have tons of these remotes in the field but it's only certain sites that have issues with, seemingly no commonality. I have a long case open with TB regarding one of these sites with the behavior you are reporting, along with full lock ups, to the point they have to be rebooted. Here's what I've tried, all with no luck:
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Multiple versions of FW (to include current)
Locking a TSR to an AP (in Ubiquiti AP settings)
Removing common SSID from TSR and using a separate SSID, dedicated ONLY to the remote Adding a dedicated AP, with the TSR as the only client?
Remove Hostname and adding a direct IP address for setup/connection to the processor Setting 5ghz only on the TSR Setting 40MHz width max on AP Turn voice control off (which seems to keep getting turned on) ?
I can't recreate the issues off site, even with the same remotes. What's even stranger is that for one site I gave my customer 2 brand new remotes on his nightstand as a test because of this issue. When one locks up, the other is still usable so I'm at a total loss because there's no errors logged or anything definitive. My case has been open for months now with TB and we're no further along.
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@Steve Kuehn, have you seen any downsides to rolling back FW?? I don't think I've rolled FW on these previously, only updated. At this point I'm ready and willing to try anything though.
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Re: Lutron QSX/RA3/Leap Protocol and VLANs
While we also use multiple VLANs I have never seen the need to put Lutron on its own VLAN. I only do resi and I am also the Lutron programmer. To me Lutron is so difficult with its networking needs- when you have an issue connecting their tech supports first question is did you turn off your Windows firewall.... If I have to worry about that what year are we in? Should be dead easy to connect to any modern device and not have to deal with their crap. I wouldnt want to complicate it more bu adding a VLAN into the mix.? |
Dean Detton