Question about Crestron Mobile panels....
Have a? 2 series processor (MP2E) and multiple Ipads. The ipads all have the same VT program in them but when I added in a projector (IR Commands) to simpl, the two ipad mini
panels do not "see" the new programming. However the two other ipads have no issue and work fine. I checked the ipad mini symbols in simpl to ensure the same changes as the other ipads and they are the same. Am confused. Another strange thing is I had an ir file in the user database that was for a previous projector ( same brand ) that I never used so I tried using that ir file and it worked on all the panels. So it seems as if it has something to do with the new ir file but then how would it work with only some of the panels? Also I need some of the commands from the new projector so the old IR file is incomplete. Plus I really would like to know what I am missing if anyone can glean what not seeing? Thanks
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Re: Converting PAC2 to dumb Cresnet "landing point"
I second replacing it with a couple of DIN-HUBs and DIN-PWS-60's.??
This is where I find the restrictions on the DIN-CEN-CN's terribly unfortunate.? It makes them almost completely useless for a retrofit.??
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Re: Converting PAC2 to dumb Cresnet "landing point"
The PAC2 had a built in Cresnet Hub (CNX-HUB equivalent) ¨C I would probably recommend getting the PAC2 out of the equation as a point of failure and replacing it with a DIN-HUB or CNX-HUB) but if you wanted or needed to keep it I am guessing
you could configure the PAC2 as a Cresnet slave (assign it to an unused Cresnet ID) and still make use of the hub functionality.
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That said as a commercial AV-not-lighting guy I think I¡¯ve physically touched 2 PAC2¡¯s in my career and loaded programming on one so¡ YMMV
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of
Michael Caldwell-Waller
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 1:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] Converting PAC2 to dumb Cresnet "landing point"
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I have a couple of PAC2's I'm considering the best path on as well --
I am convinced that those 8 Cresnet busses (A thru H) are electrically isolated from one another, and the processor routes and repeats messages from one bus to the next.? No processor, no routing.
The blinking LED's seem to give that away -- the more traffic destined to something on a particular bus, the brighter you see it blinking (which, if all 8 busses were joined as one, each of the LED's should blink in unison).
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On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 10:47?AM BruteForceIsUnderRated <crestronpro@...> wrote:
If I'm understanding what you are asking, you could just use a CNTBLOCK with the internal power jumper cut. That would isolate power between the two sides but still let cresnet data pass between the two sides.
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I will be updating an ancient system with a PAC2 and CLX dimmers and CNX-BXX keypads to Crestron Home in a few weeks.
There's a load of the field Cresnet wires landed right on the PAC2 on its many Phoenix connectors. I'm wondering if anyone has explored a way of isolating the Y and Z connections from the internal processor so it can be repurposed as a place to land the existing
wiring, and provide power as it currently does. I'm going to try and look a PAC2 to see what's inside....maybe all those connectors are on a PCB and there's just a ribbon to the processor board and I remove the ribbon? Then we'd take a Cresnet wire Y, Z, G
only from the CP4R to one of the connectors.
TIA
OP
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Re: Converting PAC2 to dumb Cresnet "landing point"
Hi Bruce,
I have a couple of PAC2's I'm considering the best path on as well --
I am convinced that those 8 Cresnet busses (A thru H) are electrically isolated from one another, and the processor routes and repeats messages from one bus to the next.? No processor, no routing.
The blinking LED's seem to give that away -- the more traffic destined to something on a particular bus, the brighter you see it blinking (which, if all 8 busses were joined as one, each of the LED's should blink in unison).
Mike
On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 10:47?AM BruteForceIsUnderRated < crestronpro@...> wrote: If I'm understanding what you are asking, you could just use a CNTBLOCK with the internal power jumper cut. That would isolate power between the two sides but still let cresnet data pass between the two sides.
I will be updating an ancient system with a PAC2 and CLX dimmers and CNX-BXX keypads to Crestron Home in a few weeks.
There's a load of the field Cresnet wires landed right on the PAC2 on its many Phoenix connectors. I'm wondering if anyone has explored a way of isolating the Y and Z connections from the internal processor so it can be repurposed as a place to land the existing wiring, and provide power as it currently does. I'm going to try and look a PAC2 to see what's inside....maybe all those connectors are on a PCB and there's just a ribbon to the processor board and I remove the ribbon? Then we'd take a Cresnet wire Y, Z, G only from the CP4R to one of the connectors.
TIA
OP
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Re: Converting PAC2 to dumb Cresnet "landing point"
If I'm understanding what you are asking, you could just use a CNTBLOCK with the internal power jumper cut. That would isolate power between the two sides but still let cresnet data pass between the two sides.
I will be updating an ancient system with a PAC2 and CLX dimmers and CNX-BXX keypads to Crestron Home in a few weeks.
There's a load of the field Cresnet wires landed right on the PAC2 on its many Phoenix connectors. I'm wondering if anyone has explored a way of isolating the Y and Z connections from the internal processor so it can be repurposed as a place to land the existing wiring, and provide power as it currently does. I'm going to try and look a PAC2 to see what's inside....maybe all those connectors are on a PCB and there's just a ribbon to the processor board and I remove the ribbon? Then we'd take a Cresnet wire Y, Z, G only from the CP4R to one of the connectors.
TIA
OP
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Converting PAC2 to dumb Cresnet "landing point"
I will be updating an ancient system with a PAC2 and CLX dimmers and CNX-BXX keypads to Crestron Home in a few weeks.
There's a load of the field Cresnet wires landed right on the PAC2 on its many Phoenix connectors. I'm wondering if anyone has explored a way of isolating the Y and Z connections from the internal processor so it can be repurposed as a place to land the existing wiring, and provide power as it currently does. I'm going to try and look a PAC2 to see what's inside....maybe all those connectors are on a PCB and there's just a ribbon to the processor board and I remove the ribbon? Then we'd take a Cresnet wire Y, Z, G only from the CP4R to one of the connectors.
TIA
OP
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Im able to do this manually. I was wondering if anybody had a way to accomplish this in Crestron Home.
Thanks
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Don't know about CHome, but to do it manually:
Enable AES67 on the Dante device in Dante Controller
Create AES67 mcast transmiter (must be 2 channels) thru DC and take note of the mcast IP
Enter the Mcast IP of the Dnate AES67 Tx into the NAX Rx.
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Is there any solutions to be able to start a AES67 stream from Crestron Home. I have a secondary processor running SIMPL so I can trigger what's necessary to start the stream. The issue I'm running into is defining the stream as a source in CH. If I use a generic audio driver then there is only a digital or analog connection that can be made to the NAX. I tried to make a connection ?to an unused input and used SIMPL to change to the AES67 ?input and start the stream when the unused input was selected. The problem is that CH automatically turns off the zone if the selected input isn't matching the active source. Any ideas would be ?appreciated!!
Thanks in advance?
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Re: D3Pro: Program Generated Incomplete
Hi All Happy New Year
was this ever resolved? or do we still need to stay on old Data base?
Thanks
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I put together a very quick demo of receiving note on/off RTP-MIDI messages directly in Simpl from ProPresenter on a PC.
Since you're on Windows, I assume you're using the rtpMIDI app from Tobias Erichsen.?
The rtpMIDI app will need to initiate the session with the Crestron processor.
RTP-MIDI requires two UDP connections on sequential port numbers. The typical ports are 5004 and 5005.
The Crestron processor will need to respond to the session initiation messages and timestamp synchronization messages.
Once the session is established, the note on/off messages can be parsed.
Here's a quick demo.?
The readme also has links to the protocol documentation.
-Dustin
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I get that. They were overly PC as well, and I begrudgingly accepted that we were moving to Mac in that venue.?
I suggest looking at?
as an intermediary with loopmidi and sending events to Crestron.?
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Thanks Caleb,
Migrating to Mac is right out. We are a Windows house with next to no Mac experience - having bought a Mac at home to replace an ageing PC some years ago, I do not want to go through that pain again...
If I have to I'll implement an rPI as an intermediary to translate rtpMIDI to my own TCP protocol, but I'd REALLY prefer not to...
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Phil
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Thanks Caleb,
Migrating to Mac is right out. We are a Windows house with next to no Mac experience - having bought a Mac at home to replace an ageing PC some years ago, I do not want to go through that pain again...
If I have to I'll implement an rPI as an intermediary to translate rtpMIDI to my own TCP protocol, but I'd REALLY prefer not to...
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Cheers
Phil
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Sorry I see that you said Windows.
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Recently I ejected a Windows ProPresenter PC for a MacStudio because Renewed Vison crippled external control on the Windows implementation. At one point I did have rtpMidi running in a Windows form application receiving data from ProPresenter but honestly it feels like Renewed Vison REALLY wants you to run it on a Mac. Now we are just using a TCP Socket to pretend to be a Ross device and listen for RossTalk for our event triggers.
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In another venue we use ProPresenter to send MIDI to and then send data to GrandMA onPC to trigger lighting scenes. Basically, exactly what you are up to without a control system in that venue.
EDIT: In another venue we use ProPresenter to send MIDI to?via loopMidi. You could then send whatever you want(TCP, OSC, etc) to Crestron if Crestron is the only means to control the lights.??
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Caleb Radecky | Manager, Online Products & Services
Crestron Silver Certified Programmer | DMC-D-4K | DMC-E-4K
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC | Crestron Services Provider | 8228 Mayfield Rd. #6B Rear Cleveland OH 44026
Direct: (+1)440.771.4809 | Cleveland: (+1)440.449.1100? | Boston: (+1)508.695.0188 | DC: (+1)202.381.9070? | London: (+44) 20 4520 4600
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Caleb Radecky via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 16:08 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [crestron] rtpMIDI
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Are you using Mac ProPresenter or PC ProPresenter?
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Crestron Silver Certified Programmer | DMC-D-4K | DMC-E-4K
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC | Crestron Services Provider | 8228 Mayfield Rd. #6B Rear Cleveland OH 44026
Direct: (+1)440.771.4809 | Cleveland: (+1)440.449.1100? | Boston: (+1)508.695.0188 | DC: (+1)202.381.9070? | London: (+44) 20 4520 4600
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Thanks Michael,
Whilst I do have plenty of Arduino experience, the Windows version of the program that I need to communicate with (ProPresenter) will only send external cues via MIDI - rtpMIDI to be precise - from my reading of Apple's spec for rtpMIDI it seems to use 2 consecutive UDP ports to send control and data. I already have a DMPS3 controlling a zoom only PTZOptics camera and DMX via a serial to DMX adapter. I'm trying to reduce the need for volunteer operators to remember to trigger lighting cues from the Stream Deck or Xpanel so we have a more consistent production standard (mainly for the recording) - the context is a church where the bulk of the operators are not AV professionals...
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Cheers
Phil
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Hi Phil -- Ok I had it completely backwards.? You want to not send midi, but receive midi, and networked rtpmidi is your only choice based on what application is going to be sending it.
And I'd agree that puts it out of the realm of Arduino.
Just for fun I asked ChatGPT (v.4 by the way, the paid one) if it could write me a Python script for Raspberry Pi that could listen for rtpmidi messages over UDP.? It said "yup here ya go" more or less, and it incorporated an external rtpmidi Python library to do it in 15 lines, outputting the incoming midi stream to the console.? Can't say I have much experience with rtpmidi other than to conceptualize it as transporting the serial data I'm accustomed to.? But I guess I learned today that someone has apparently already done the labor of implementing rtpmidi in Python.? In the example it wrote me, ChatGPT decided that I probably wanted to receive rtpmidi over UDP 5004 and 5005 since I didn't give it any other suggestion.
If such a script can pick up these messages, maybe it could be tweaked to filter out the messages you're interested in, and pass them along as simple strings using some other way that plays cleanly with Simpl (rs232/udp/etc.)... assuming you don't already locate a native driver or some other solution you find to be cleaner, first, without involving extra hardware.
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Re: DMPS3-4K-150-C Firmware update failing
The ZIP filenames don't match the firmware versions, which makes it more confusing.
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Are you using Mac ProPresenter or PC ProPresenter?
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Caleb Radecky |
Manager, Online Products & Services
Crestron Silver Certified Programmer | DMC-D-4K | DMC-E-4K
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC | Crestron Services Provider | 8228 Mayfield Rd. #6B Rear Cleveland OH 44026
Direct: (+1)440.771.4809 | Cleveland: (+1)440.449.1100? | Boston: (+1)508.695.0188 | DC: (+1)202.381.9070? | London: (+44) 20 4520 4600
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of
Phil Moore
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 15:59
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] rtpMIDI
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Thanks Michael,
Whilst I do have plenty of Arduino experience, the Windows version of the program that I need to communicate with (ProPresenter) will only send external cues via MIDI - rtpMIDI to be precise - from my reading of Apple's spec for rtpMIDI it seems to use 2 consecutive
UDP ports to send control and data. I already have a DMPS3 controlling a zoom only PTZOptics camera and DMX via a serial to DMX adapter. I'm trying to reduce the need for volunteer operators to remember to trigger lighting cues from the Stream Deck or Xpanel
so we have a more consistent production standard (mainly for the recording) - the context is a church where the bulk of the operators are not AV professionals...
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Cheers
Phil
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Thanks Michael,
Whilst I do have plenty of Arduino experience, the Windows version of the program that I need to communicate with (ProPresenter) will only send external cues via MIDI - rtpMIDI to be precise - from my reading of Apple's spec for rtpMIDI it seems to use 2 consecutive UDP ports to send control and data. I already have a DMPS3 controlling a zoom only PTZOptics camera and DMX via a serial to DMX adapter. I'm trying to reduce the need for volunteer operators to remember to trigger lighting cues from the Stream Deck or Xpanel so we have a more consistent production standard (mainly for the recording) - the context is a church where the bulk of the operators are not AV professionals...
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Cheers
Phil
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Re: Anyone noticing slowdowns/failures in loading to 4-series processors lately?
experiencing the same with Pro3 on current versions - database, simpl, etc ...
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Re: How to on trinnov using crestron command
#crestron
Ah, yes - thanks for the heads-up on the latest version. Just downloaded. ? ? Cheers, Thorsten ? ? Hi Thorsten,
I just found it in my spam folder, Thank you!!? I actually received a later version (2.1.10) from another poster so I'm going to work with that (though there's a few things I need to adjust!)
Thank you again and Happy New year!!
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