It's my opinion that ?you should learn how to code without having access to S+ because you'll learn better habits that won't bite you from being spoiled with some of what S+ can do.
This conversation is different now that S#Pro is in the wild but I don't think that is the OPs level.? By that I mean, if the OP were a traditional software developer with OO programming experience, then a 3-series is a MUST. But if you're coming from scratch, the ST-CP is a great box to learn on.
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Agreed.? While there's obviously some value in being forced to use the basics on an older processor like the ST-CP, a programmer really needs to learn how to use the more current facilities that are available in order to deliver a real solution to the client.
Geoff
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Agreed.? While there's obviously some value in being forced to use the basics on an older processor like the ST-CP, a programmer really needs to learn how to use the more current facilities that are available in order to deliver a real solution to the client.
Geoff
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I don¡¯t get it, it doesn¡¯t support simpl+.? Most every receiver and advanced AV device uses simpl+ inside its modules.? This means he can¡¯t load or use
most modules from the Crestron database.
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Yep, I think learning on an ST-CP is a great idea.
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where is the "like" button? I'm with Lincoln on this one
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Lincoln King-Cliby
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> I'm still (loosely) hanging on to my comment from a few years ago that any new programmer should be forced to learn on a ST-CP -- the limitations of the platform relative to newer processors can really teach you to look at problems in different ways and be
inventive with solutions. The newer platforms are also far more forgiving in most respects than the older platforms.
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> The point I was trying to make is that learning in an outdated processor would cause them to learn certain things that don't apply to the current processors. My "break before make" comment was a poor example.
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where is the "like" button? I'm with Lincoln on this one
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Lincoln King-Cliby
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> I'm still (loosely) hanging on to my comment from a few years ago that any new programmer should be forced to learn on a ST-CP -- the limitations of the platform relative to newer processors can really teach you to look at problems in different ways and be
inventive with solutions. The newer platforms are also far more forgiving in most respects than the older platforms.
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Yep, I think learning on an ST-CP is a great idea.
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where is the "like" button? I'm with Lincoln on this one
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Lincoln King-Cliby lincoln@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:
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> I'm still (loosely) hanging on to my comment from a few years ago that any new programmer should be forced to learn on a ST-CP -- the limitations of the platform relative to newer processors can really teach you to look at problems in different ways and be inventive with solutions. The newer platforms are also far more forgiving in most respects than the older platforms.
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> Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Gold)
> ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
> Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Audia Certified | Extron Control Professional
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> The point I was trying to make is that learning in an outdated processor would cause them to learn certain things that don't apply to the current processors. My "break before make" comment was a poor example.
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The point I was trying to make is that learning in an outdated processor would cause them to learn certain things that don't apply to the current processors. My "break before make" comment was a poor example.
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I'm still (loosely) hanging on to my comment from a few years ago that any new programmer should be forced to learn on a ST-CP -- the limitations of the platform relative to newer processors can really teach you to look at problems in different ways and be inventive with solutions. The newer platforms are also far more forgiving in most respects than the older platforms.
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The point I was trying to make is that learning in an outdated processor would cause them to learn certain things that don't apply to the current processors. My "break before make" comment was a poor example.
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I've done with UDP Client using port 12287 with the ip table set to 255.255.255.255
When I last did this on a PRO2 with a Dual Nic, with the address set to 255.255.255.255, it will be interpreted as "this network". When using a C2ENET-2 card, "this network" will be on the LAN-A connection.
If you need to force to the LAN-B connection, then you will need to calculate the limited broadcast address and use that instead.
How to calculate the subnet-directed broadcast address
1) Convert machine address to binary e.g. 10.208.20.1 = 00001010.11010000.00010100.00000001
2) Convert the Subnet Mask to Binary e.g. 255.255.240.0 = 11111111.11111111.11110000.00000000
3) Invert the Binary Subnet Mask e.g. 11111111.11111111.11110000.00000000? ? ?becomes 00000000.00000000.00001111.11111111
4) OR the machine address and the inverted subnet mask e.g. 00001010.11010000.00010100.00000001? ? ?Or 00000000.00000000.00001111.11111111 = 00001010.11010000.00011111.11111111 = 10.208.31.255
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Eric Walters sentry07@... [Crestron] <Crestron@...> wrote:
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You need a UDP client with an IP of 255.255.255.255 using port 9. Send a string that consists of \xFF\xFF\xFF\xFF\xFF\xFF followed by the MAC address in hex like \x00\x0C\x31\x24\x08\x4F repeated 16 times.
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>>? ?Not to mention that digital signals in x series processors don't break before make,
"Break before make" is a function of the symbols that are driving them, not the signals themselves. ?X Gen most certainly had break before make symbols - all the way back to the Cresnet IIP systems. ?Things like the Interlock. ?Perhaps what you are thinking of is that the 2 series changes some symbols to be break before make behavior - SR, Toggle, things like that.
BTW, ST-CP was in the generation between CNMS and X. ?(CNMS was Ops 3.XX.XX, ST-CP was 4.XX.XX, and X was 5.XX.XX...)
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Re: Need SIMPL windows module for Extron AVT 100N
However, because the Extron protocol is so simple, it's a great way to _learn_ how to make a module. My first module was for an Extron switcher.
There is a file in the Files section of this group called ExtronExample.smw. It has a few ways to do it with SIMPL+. If you have a little extra time to look at it, you can get a great lesson about modules.
Kevin
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Why would you move to Studio? ?It's full of issues and it will probably never be of any use to anyone but a beginner who doesn't know their way around SIMPL.
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I don't think you control them as much as just monitor them. We just did a slew of them on a data center project. I think by default they have an RS-232 port that is set up for modem dialing, you could probably find the protocol and just ignore the dialing strings.?
Or you can get a gateway that converts the RS-232 port to Modbus IP or BACnet IP. Our vendor used the Modbus IP gateway to connect to an electrical power monitoring system. With a BACnet/IP gateway you could probably just use the BACnet/IP functionality in a 3-series processor - free for 50 points but spend for that 51st point.
Usually there aren't a lot of parameters you need from this - tank level, tank low limit, tank high limit, tank overfill limit, maybe tank temperature and temp high limit. With BACnet you can just pick and choose which points to grab.
How may of these things you got?
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I wanted to start moving to studio, so I started this project on studio. Where can I check the correct audio settings for my panel? I noticed the audio file I imported shows N/A on the Bits/Sample, Channels and format columns of the sound manager gird... I can play it tough on the sound manager player.
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Re: Digital Projection e-vision 4500
"The 7500 I believe is a true DP Projector, the 4500 is their value
product and I believe its a rebranded Vivitek (although not 100%
certain), I do know that the base chassis is not DP. This is why the
protocol is so way out of whack"
That would do it!? Thanks Richard...
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Re: Need SIMPL windows module for Extron AVT 100N
"actually i am new in Crestron programming, i just finished my basic P101 training, so i don't konw how to create a moudule."
You don't *have* to make a module to control the device.? You could very likely drop an SIO symbol in your program, connect the tx/rx to the com port being used by the AVT100N, and be able to get all the control/feedback you need from populating the SIO.
The majority of Extron products have control that is so straightforward that no one bothers making modules for them...
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Hey guys, I'll be attending my first masters class this year. Does anyone have any news on where it's going to be stuff like that. Thanks,
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Ahh right... optical modulation I guess.?
It just surprises me that a lot of these fiber extender products aren't doing much more than their copper counterparts for the price. I know these particular Crestron pieces are inexpensive.. but I'm surprised there aren't more 4K+Ethernet extenders out. If you have suggestions let me know.?
This set only does 1080p and 100 Mbps Ethernet. I'm interested in 4K UHD, Ethernet (1Gbps?), and maybe COM/IR over fiber. I don't need more than 1,000ft.?
If fiber can handle the 10Gbps or more bandwidth, why are these products so limited? Or are we just waiting for the next wave of products to come out?
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Re: OT: Anyone in Eastern (Sydney, Cairns, Melbourne)
Funny, I'm doing the same...leave for Sydney March 25, on to Cairns area, then maybe a quick trip to Uluru, then Melbourne and home. Wife has family in Melbourne. All in first/business class on award miles.
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Different wavelengths for the forward and reverse ¡°lasers¡± (or LEDs). ? Pretty common approach (DM8G Fiber uses the same concept; not sure if they¡¯re optically compatible) but also very common in IT/Telecom particularly over long distances [or when you¡¯re leasing fiber by the strand]. IIRC, there are options on the market that let you stack 5 or more full duplex 10Gb* links on a single strand by multiplexing a 10 wavelengths [5 forward, 5 reverse]. ? Lincoln *- Last I looked which was a while ago. Seeing as Cisco now has 40Gb options in 1RU access/edge switches it wouldn¡¯t at all surprise me if this has moved up¡ -- Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS, DMC-E-4K/T/D Commercial Market Director Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Gold) ControlWorks Consulting, LLC Crestron Services Provider | Biamp Audia Certified | Extron Control Professional ?
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Silly question....? ? How does this extender set work with a single strand of fiber? Is it communicating in half duplex?
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