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Re: Home compatible security system recommendations?
Hi David,
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Are you referring to the Neo panels, with the TL280(R)(E) TCP/IP communication module? In the documentation Crestron says they support the Neo panels, but then only mention setup with serial comms via the IT100 with the PCxxx panels, and says those only support keypad emulation. True Blue confirmed to use the TCP/IP module with the Neo line, just looking for some hands on verification. |
Re: Private jet systems??
Ok, so a company I have ownership in, owns and flies an Embraer private jet.? I sometimes fly the airplane, as I have a commercial pilot certificate and have earned the type rating to fly in the right seat.? I can speak to this.? And I'm authorized to make decisions of this nature for this airplane.? (The airplane is a Praetor 600, the type rating is EMB-550, it can carry 9 passengers plus 3 crew) On this airplane, there's an A/V bay in the airplane that has an HDMI port and a power outlet.? It's on a shelf in the forward galley.? This is unambiguously meant for providing A/V equipment of the operator's choice.? I would see little issue or liability with someone adding a media player that interfaces with nothing but the HDMI port and power ports, so long as it is affixed with nothing stronger than velcro tape.? Embraer provided a new-in-box Apple TV as a suggestion for what to put there upon delivery of the airplane when new.? The FAA takes issue when something is permanently attached to an airplane versus stuck or sitting there, so... never screw anything down or attach anything in any way that gives the impression it's part of the airplane! The entertainment system on this airplane is a Honeywell Ovation.? That's a system very analogous to the architecture of Crestron that controls all of the cabin functions in the airplane -- basically anything the flight attendant or passengers can access from touch screens (principally A/V, lighting, and then media control of the built-in video sources -- the inflight moving map, and a canned USB media player in this particular airplane we have never used).? The Ovation system is controlled via a hardwired touch screen, and then, there's an Ovation app for iPad that appears to be architected as an "emulator" for the Honeywell touchscreen in the galley.? It appears to download all of the UI elements over the WiFi from the controller, just like a Crestron touchscreen downloading a vtpro project.? This Honeywell system is probably used in many other makes of airplane including Gulfstream, given that Honeywell also makes avionics and jet engines and they're all over the place. Now for A/V control.? I could?use Proxyman (or something similar) to intercept and learn what the iPad sends to the controller in order to get the API commands to, for example, activate the HDMI input for Apple TV.? But I just never would. Instead, do this.? Assume there is a flight attendant, or a lead principal on the airplane, who is accustomed to following and executing checklists.? That's how everything else is accomplished on the airplane, from starting the engines to shutting it down.? The most professional presentation of how to "control the Honeywell Ovation system" is to write a step-by-step checklist, intended for a flight attendant who believes himself or herself professionally competent at executing written checklists... print it on a nice durable plastic card... and have them select a place in the airplane where it "belongs". A typical format of a crew checklist looks like this:? Object...............ACTION.? The actions should be right-justified on the page (which I'm not positive I can present in this e-mail, but easy to do in Microsoft Word if you configure a tab stop to align text this way).? Also this checklist should ideally be more like a card or smaller.? Like the size of a piece of letter paper folded in half, or smaller. Galley Touchscreen Main Menu..................PRESS VIDEO Input selection... SELECT GALLEY HDMI DVD player (pretend that's what we're using)... POWERED ON DVD Disc... INSERTED Movie or other program... START FROM MENUS, WITH HANDHELD REMOTE CONTROL Volume (on galley touchscreen)... ADJUST AS REQUIRED -- AT END OF DVD PROGRAM -- Galley Touchscreen Main Menu... PRESS VIDEO Input selection... SELECT NONE (or other, as required) DVD Disc... REMOVE AND STOW DVD player... POWER OFF To a flight crew, you'll score all the points for professionalism to present this sort of checklist. It's also worth pointing out that the crew is going to be unenthusiastic about anything that interfaces with the airplane and executes things on it outside of their control.? They are going to view a quality checklist as a polished professional way to enable them to accomplish something. Gulfstreams -- particularly the ones with a passenger seating count of 10 or more -- have a regulatory requirement for a flight attendant to be onboard, any time 10 or more seats are occupied.? That flight attendant must have completed manufacturer specific training to qualify as that crewmember.? So you can count on there being a professional already involved and willing to be trained on a checklist as part of their duty. Mike On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 8:06?AM AVMaster via <AVMaster619=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Private jet systems??
Not to rain on your parade but before you even consider touching that jet, realize that the liability is absolutely insane. ?Nearly every single thing in that plane is regulated and or will require approval from someone¡including the in flight entertainment system. ?You cannot, nor should not install any electronic thing in that plane without doing some comprehensive and exhaustive research. ?We had a client that owned a gorgeous G6 a while back and it just wasn¡¯t worth the liability and headacheto do what the owner wanted. ?We ended up just consulting with the company that was doing the interior modifications as they were setup and familiar with all the potential regulations and certifications. ?Last thing you need is 50+ million dollar plane having issues because you interfacing with their systems. |
Re: NVX programming jump start
If you go to the Files section of this group, and search for "liquidpixel" you'll find our free resources for programming NVX systems. Might be a helpful start for you. It shows you how to handle all the multicast addressing and stream location string routing, and there are several free modules in there that do the heavy lifting (and they have real help files).
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I'm with the others, as far as the Director not being useful. But just to answer your original question... the Director is programmed similarly to a DM frame switcher, where you can just use analog values to trigger routes. This is done by defining the Director in the devices under an IPID and then attaching all your endpoints inside that (not to their own independent IPIDs). The modules included in the liquidpixel demo program also let you handle routing with analog values, so there's really no advantage to using a Director.
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Josh Winn The LiquidPixel Group |
Re: NVX programming jump start
One thing about the DM NVX Tool that's nice is you can do batch firmware updates (as long as the batch is the same model).? So you could use it to "discover" all your 350s, and tell it to push the selected firmware to all of them.? It will chew through them 10 at a time until it gets them all, then notify you if any failed.? Saves LOTS of time at big sites.? ?But yeah you'll still have to step using DM NVX Tool, but it's still way, way faster than doing them one at a time. |
Re: NVX programming jump start
On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 12:57 PM, <jacksonkfortune@...> wrote:
Does the firmware updater tool step thru revisions automatically or does it just jump them up to latest? I have a few sites that have been chugging along for years using very early firmware and one of these days i'm gonna have to update them but dont want to brick them, and dont want to have to update 50 ish devices one at a time thru several versions each.?
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Extron GCP universal drivers controlling NVX endpoint
Using either the SSH or TCP driver in Extron GC Pro, is there a way to connect an IPCP Pro 550 to a Crestron NVX endpoint and tell it to set to a certain multicast stream, start video, etc? I have been searching everywhere for commands that could facilitate this, but cannot find anything?? ?I am trying to do this without a crestron processor intermediary. This is similar to an earlier post I made, but this is spurred on by a question from a colleague who absolutely does not want to use a crestron processor to switch one D30 between two E30's. |
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Re: NVX programming jump start
I noticed that the firmware updater software is also more reliable than using the director. Also, luckily my network admins have already prepped my network for the multicast settings.? I probably should've at least asked, as when I was setting it up on my own test bench, my whole LAN froze up due to the multicast packets flooding everything on my little switch. |
Re: NVX programming jump start
One caveat - the NVX devices will have to be in the same major revision number as each other for the streams to work.? An encoder on 2.x.x can't steam to a decoder on 5.x.x and so forth.
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And once an NVX is updated to 5.x or beyond, rolling back the firmware to earlier than 5 will brick it.? Learned that the hard way.
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Best to just go ahead and get everything on 7 right out of the gate. |
Re: NVX programming jump start
Wow.? The director cant hold more than one firmware version at a time(I still have NVX's on firmware version 2.x), cant handle credentials effectively, and doesn't even have a useful module to make routing easier? Now I know why my mentor told me they were useless.? Glad I'm not the one who ordered this. |
Re: NVX programming jump start
On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 09:03 AM, <jacksonkfortune@...> wrote:
It seems to me that with or without the director, I still need to pull the individual streams into a serial strings for the logic. You found the secret.? The XIO Director is a completely useless waste of money.
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To route NVX Streams, simply provide multicast addresses to your encoders, and put the streamlocation feedbacks of encoders into the streamlocation joins for decoders.? How you decide to accomplish that is up to you. |
NVX programming jump start
Howdy, I am a programming novice, and mostly deal with modifying existing code to add basic functions. I have been trying to integrate 6 NVX's(NVX350,352, 2 D30s, and 2 E30's) into my complex A/V system(two 3- series processors and a 64x64 and 128x128 dm matrix switchers, and a whole lot of endpoints) using a DIR-160, and am a bit lost on how the programming logic should go.? I've been told that the Director should act more or less like a DM switcher, but I am not sure how the logic with streams should go.? It seems to me that with or without the director, I still need to pull the individual streams into a serial strings for the logic. would I be correct in saying so? My main goal is to get some hands on experience, as there is an expansion that will be all NVX based, so I want to have a head start on how to use these devices. Thanks! |
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