Re: DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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Hi Chris,

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just some random thoughts:

Which output are you using on the Altitude? If it?s an older unit, only output 2 is capable of the full range.
The Altitude can be pretty picky about EDID changes. Always do a “refresh EDID” on the device or do a power cycle
If I remember correctly, the DM-stuff has some compression going on for HDR content. For home cinema applications, we always try to avoid signal distribution and go for a direct connection.
You don?t mention a video processor in the chain, so it sounds as if you want to send an unprocessed HDR image to the projector and let the projector do the tonemapping. That?s a terrible idea since the 715ES does a horrible job on its own with HDR material. You might want to consider adding a video processor like the madVR Envy (our choice) or a Lumagen into the chain. That would provide excellent tonemapping and also solve the issue of not sending HDR over to the projector since both are sending only an SDR signal out to the projector.

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If I find the time, I could probably do some testing as I have an Altitude 32 and a MD8x8 matrix here in the room next door.

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Cheers,

Thorsten

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Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von ckangis
Gesendet: Samstag, 23. November 2024 05:34
An: [email protected]
Betreff: [crestron] DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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Hi All,

Does anyone know what the secret handshake is to enable HDR within an EDID for DM chassis'???? Our setup is a Sony 715ES and a Trinnov Altitude16.

Everything we do will either get Atmos and no HDR, or HDR and no Atmos...? ?I know that they don't have anything to do with each other, BTW...

I have an EDID that I've Pulled from the projector. This provides 4K/HDR but no hi-res audio

I have an EDID that I've pulled from the Trinnov. This provides Hi-res audio, but no 4K? (It's set up as audio only on its own DM output)

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Using the EDID Tool in ToolBox, I start with The Trinnov file, save as a new file, then Update the video resolutions to match what the projector file has.

The only difference is the projector file has 'Custom' VESA Block Preferred and Second Detailed Timing descriptors, which are not found in the modify lists.

These are 1920 and 1280 resolutions so I'm assuming that it doesn't really matter.... Everything else is the same.

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The bottom line is that when the new EDID file with duplicated resolutions is loaded, I still don't get HDR!!!

$ 40K of equipment that is not performing correctly... Digital Giveth, Digital Taketh

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Anyone have any ideas???

TIA!

DM16x16 EDID with HDR

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Hi All,

Does anyone know what the secret handshake is to enable HDR within an EDID for DM chassis'???? Our setup is a Sony 715ES and a Trinnov Altitude16.

Everything we do will either get Atmos and no HDR, or HDR and no Atmos...? ?I know that they don't have anything to do with each other, BTW...

I have an EDID that I've Pulled from the projector. This provides 4K/HDR but no hi-res audio

I have an EDID that I've pulled from the Trinnov. This provides Hi-res audio, but no 4K? (It's set up as audio only on its own DM output)

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Using the EDID Tool in ToolBox, I start with The Trinnov file, save as a new file, then Update the video resolutions to match what the projector file has.

The only difference is the projector file has 'Custom' VESA Block Preferred and Second Detailed Timing descriptors, which are not found in the modify lists.

These are 1920 and 1280 resolutions so I'm assuming that it doesn't really matter.... Everything else is the same.

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The bottom line is that when the new EDID file with duplicated resolutions is loaded, I still don't get HDR!!!

$ 40K of equipment that is not performing correctly... Digital Giveth, Digital Taketh

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Anyone have any ideas???

TIA!

Re: Global Cache IP2IR sensor input (RMC4)

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Thanks again, Lincoln.?

Re: posting pictures to threads???

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Attachments aren't allowed, but an HTML email can contain images.

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--- On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 6:12 PM, stefuel2 wrote:

Am I missing something here?  Can we post pictures to threads here?

posting pictures to threads???

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Am I missing something here?? Can we post pictures to threads here?

Re: How come I missed this all these years?

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Thanks,

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Well, guess I'll be doing that from now on.

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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To receive UDP traffic the IP address has to match what's set on the UDP/IP client.? Set it to 0.0.0.0 to receive from anywhere, 192.168.1.0 to receive from that subnet, or a specific IP to receive from.? Same as for a TCP/IP Server device.

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 1:11?PM Michael Caldwell-Waller via <bowser77=[email protected]> wrote:

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Try using PacketSender -- a multiplatform testing app that lets you create and send packets (including UDP) for troubleshooting purposes like these.? You should be able to poke hand-written packets into the system and see them work.? I have gotten UDP to work as a server in SIMPL, and to get it to work, I remember it started working when I set the IP ID to reference the single IP address that was going to be sending me the UDP packets, but somebody told me on this forum (probably searchable) that this isn't the only way to do it, and offered up something that should work if there are going to be multiple senders.? Since my application only had a single sender,?I didn't bother to touch it afterward. Mike

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 8:50?AM Slip Cougan via <gk.otoole=[email protected]> wrote:
That's kinda what I thought, so I just set up a very basic program with only a UDP symbol in CP3-01

IP address is within my subnet, in this case 192.168.10.254 port 6000. 1 on the enable

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In the Novastar program on CP3-02, again a UDP symbol with IP of

I get nothing between either.

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I'm actually using UDP comms inside my s+ module and I thought maybe I'd screwed up but, I'm pretty sure that part of the module is fine.

I can remote into site on Monday, but was hoping to do some pre-testing over the weekend.

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I also tried using the IP of CP3-01 on the symbols in both programs, no joy there

Re: How come I missed this all these years?

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Most likely because that property does only show (at least as far as I can remember, and I don't have a PC with me right now to test this) if the project was created with the XPanel 2.0 Smart Graphics hardware definition and later saved as another hardware panel type.?

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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Try using PacketSender -- a multiplatform testing app that lets you create and send packets (including UDP) for troubleshooting purposes like these.? You should be able to poke hand-written packets into the system and see them work.? I have gotten UDP to work as a server in SIMPL, and to get it to work, I remember it started working when I set the IP ID to reference the single IP address that was going to be sending me the UDP packets, but somebody told me on this forum (probably searchable) that this isn't the only way to do it, and offered up something that should work if there are going to be multiple senders.? Since my application only had a single sender,?I didn't bother to touch it afterward. Mike

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On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 8:50?AM Slip Cougan via <gk.otoole=[email protected]> wrote:

That's kinda what I thought, so I just set up a very basic program with only a UDP symbol in CP3-01

IP address is within my subnet, in this case 192.168.10.254 port 6000. 1 on the enable

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In the Novastar program on CP3-02, again a UDP symbol with IP of

I get nothing between either.

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I'm actually using UDP comms inside my s+ module and I thought maybe I'd screwed up but, I'm pretty sure that part of the module is fine.

I can remote into site on Monday, but was hoping to do some pre-testing over the weekend.

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I also tried using the IP of CP3-01 on the symbols in both programs, no joy there

How come I missed this all these years?

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I was just making a change to a TSW that I've been working on over the past couple of months.

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I've never paid any attention to the project properties apart from to change the theme.

Always seen the XPanel properties and never given it any thought, it's a TSW in'nt - why would I?

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So for giggles, and I was just looking for something to take mind off my current project, decided to set it up to match my program.

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Well blow me, no more having to enter the annoying connection settings in the XPanel, when clicking on a vtz.

How has that passed me by for goodness knows how long :)

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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That's kinda what I thought, so I just set up a very basic program with only a UDP symbol in CP3-01

IP address is within my subnet, in this case 192.168.10.254 port 6000. 1 on the enable

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In the Novastar program on CP3-02, again a UDP symbol with IP of 192.168.10.254:6000

I get nothing between either.

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I'm actually using UDP comms inside my s+ module and I thought maybe I'd screwed up but, I'm pretty sure that part of the module is fine.

I can remote into site on Monday, but was hoping to do some pre-testing over the weekend.

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I also tried using the IP of CP3-01 on the symbols in both programs, no joy there

Re: Pathway Pathport Ethernet DMX Controller

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Anyone have an update on this topic??

Re: DM-NAX-4ZSP

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Not all Radio stations are being broadcast in the same way. Might want to post the stations you would be using to have someone test on the different options

Re: UDP 'server' is this possible

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UDP is stateless, meaning they don't actually make a connection per say. One talks and just hope the others are listening. 
In simpl and S+ you have a single definition for UDP communications. You would use it for both sides.

UDP 'server' is this possible

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In the past when I've been testing modules for kit I don't have in the office, that connect through TCP/IP, I've simply hosted a TCP server on another processor to mimic the device.

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I need to do something similar with a device (Novastar H2) that only uses UDP for comms.

Is it possible to host a UDP 'sever' on a processor and if so how?

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Also, I'm not a network expert and have little understanding of UDP outside of sending stuff to/from UDP devices.

Re: has anyone made a stock ticker module? #crestron

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Check message 22975

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It was all the rage in 2004!

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Not sure if Chip has kept that one updated ;-)

Re: Global Cache IP2IR sensor input (RMC4)

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Sorry, I initially replied on mobile and was a bit harried…

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For multicast you need to use the multicast group ID as the address so that the processor/OS knows it needs to send the IGMP Join message to the switch. If you use the source IP address, much like 0.0.0.0 the switch has no idea that it needs to forward the multicast traffic (and the processor may or may not be listening for multicast traffic from that source IP)

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2024 10:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [crestron] Global Cache IP2IR sensor input (RMC4)

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Thanks Lincoln.??

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In this case, would I'd just use the IP of the sending device rather than zeroes for the octets; I'll keep my fingers crossed that this will function.

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Thanks!

Mike

Re: Global Cache IP2IR sensor input (RMC4)

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Thanks Lincoln.??

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In this case, would I'd just use the IP of the sending device rather than zeroes for the octets; I'll keep my fingers crossed that this will function.

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Thanks!

Mike

Re: Global Cache IP2IR sensor input (RMC4)

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You would not be able to use 0.0.0.0 in this case on a properly configured network as the device needs to send a "join" message to the switch to let it know that it is interested in getting that data.

Multicast join/leave has been on-again-off again depending on firmware version (though processors with internal routers have been the most problematic so if you encounter issues you may be served to try upgrading or downgrading fw

Lincoln?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mike Taylor via groups.io <miketeachesclass@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2024 6:02:48 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [crestron] Global Cache IP2IR sensor input (RMC4)

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Has anyone used the IP2IR as a sensor input?

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Apparently it broadcasts state changes via udp on port 9132, using a multicast IP of 239.255.250.250.?

Does the UDP symbol in simpl windows listen on multicast IP’s like that? ?I’ve not had a manufacturer specify a multicast IP in the past, just UDP in general, and I most often specify 0.0.0.0 on the symbol.?

Thanks,

Mike

Re: Getting up to speed on Construct?

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Have you seen the Masters videos -

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