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On 2013-08-15, at 11:47 AM, "jac777888" <jchelton@...> wrote:

" I told him that at the very least they needed to add a cheap RX(model #DMRMC-IP-C, how do you like that?) that passed only Ethernet(I don't know if you can ever call it cheap by using up an actual video output). That way we could control a device with IP or go to a switch on the back side without the IT guys having a freakin' heart attack."

- You can plug any Ethernet device into a DM8G port and it will go into "Ethernet Fall Back Mode" and will behave like a normal LAN port. I havent actually tried it but it is part of the HDBase-T spec.

--- In Crestron@..., Steve Robinson <stever101010@> wrote:

Not only are they not listening to CSP's but I try as a Consultant(also programmer) to relay things that are going on and they also fall on deaf ears. I'll talk to anyone who listens. I think they are actually sick of me.

I have been so disappointed in things of late that I actually had the chance to hit up Fred after the Consultant summit at Infocomm, Of all the things I could of talked to him about, I wanted to get my point across about dual ethernet ports needed on the DMPS series, not just Pro3. He was grateful of my suggestion and said the 3 series boards are getting ready for the DMPS and he will look into. I told him that at the very least they needed to add a cheap RX(model #DMRMC-IP-C, how do you like that?) that passed only Ethernet(I don't know if you can ever call it cheap by using up an actual video output). That way we could control a device with IP or go to a switch on the back side without the IT guys having a freakin' heart attack.

I am anxiously waiting to see if any of this comes to fruition.


Steve


________________________________
From: Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@>
To: "'Crestron@...'" <Crestron@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Crestron] Complaints


Absolutely.

That's part of my frustration... while I haven't reached Fred level yet (because while I've _met_ Fred, I certainly don't have an actual relationship, much less one where I would feel comfortable going directly to him with everything that's "wrong") I've had conversation with _many_ others on the inside.

I don't want to provide too much detail but some of the conversations have been very productive, some have been "that's the way it is, so suck it", and some of the conversations have been frustrating because everyone involved in the conversation acknowledges there's a major issue and has possible solutions but there's too much institutional inertia to get them fixed anytime soon. In one of those key cases we, as an organization we can't even /consider/ using the tool until the issue is fixed.

In another case I have a project with a substantial amount of Crestron hardware (IIRC $60-80k at dealer cost...for a single room) at risk because the Pro3 is missing one feature the Pro2 has. I think I've calmed that client down enough for now.

I've all but given up on labs, and when I do browse over there I usually find myself wanting to throw something.


--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Silver)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
Crestron Services Provider


-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of RobK
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Complaints

Hey all

Just out of curiosity, I know a lot of people do like to vent on the board here (and I was once told as such), but when all of you have serious complaints about Crestron product (Smart graphics & Studio keep getting mentioned) do any of you do anything about it? Do you get your bosses to complain to Crestron - and not just calling tech support or Rich - I'm talking calls to higher ups such as Fred?

Normally I'm not inclined to drop names, but it's not like these guys are hidden.

I'm not saying that will necessarily do anything, but it seems like if enough people get their higher ups to complain en mass, maybe some change can be effected, albeit slow?

Maybe this has been done, I don't know, but just curious how you guys have been attempting to deal with the problems that we can't fix.




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The only reason I'm trying to get ASCI text out of the analog value is so that I can display the value as indirect text, leaving me with a digital join to use to alter the appearance of the button. Basically, I'm trying to display my lamp hours on the touch panel while using an analog compare to drive a signal high when I hit 1800 hours. I use that signal to make the displayed lamp hours go red on the touch panel.

If I do a digital guage, I don't that digital available to make the button go high and change colors. I'm guessing I can do this through modes, but I don't really understand that either.

--- In Crestron@..., "Chip" <cfm@> wrote:

For MSPs - while there are other uses, it is primarily handy if you have a touch panel that ever goes offline in the case of Ethernet, or any wireless panel, or Xpanels. By putting a signal onto an MSP as well as a touch panel definition, you're ensuring that if/when the touch panel comes back online, the last string that was sent to it will be refreshed. (Even if that string was sent while the panel was offline)

Many touch panels include a permanent string size definition in SIMPL Windows now, but since there are also many that *don't*, I wind up using MSPs anyway by default.

Now - if you have a touch panel that is awake and online and you believe you're sending text to it and that text doesn't appear - then you have other issues. Time to fire up debugger and really focus on what is going to that serial join...

Analog to Serial - this symbol expects you to provide individual *characters* to build a string. If you have an analog signal that can go from 0 to anything larger than 9 and you're trying to display the value on a touch panel - then what you have won't do it. (Not to mention that an analog value in the range 0-9 needs to be transposed to the ASCII chart's equivalent value in order for even a single character to appear as text)

Easiest solution here, if you're just trying to display a simple number, is to draw a Digital Gauge object on your page and just supply the analog value to the touch panel.

If you absolutely want that value displayed as text via serial join, you need to do a conversion. Quickest way is using S+, where a one-line S+ program can use the S+ function "ITOA" to convert an analog value to ASCII text.

There are other approaches, depending on how much time you want to spend on it. For something like projector lamp hours that won't change any more often than once an hour, I'd just go with the S+ approach. (Assuming you can't use the digital gauge for some reason)

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "jmacd2918" <jmacd2918@> wrote:

I'm having issues/questions with a few serial items in a current project, my first "big" one.

First one, "make string permanent". Can someone give me a better explanation than what is on Crestron tutorials? Where would one use this? I'm mainly concerned with feedback making it to the touch panel/xpanel, some serial feedback seems to make it, some doesn't. Could the transient nature of serial be the culprit? Should I, as a matter of practice, make all serial feedback to the touch panel permanent?

Second one, analog to serial. I've never used this symbol before, so I'm not sure if I'm doing this correct. I'm trying to convert analog projector lamp hours to serial because I'm hoping to display indirect text and use a digital signal to change indicator color when lamp hours reach a certain threshold (that part works). What doesn't work is the analog to serial conversion.

Here is what I have:
<trig>1
<ain1>my lamp hours analog (this same signal is working elsewhere)
<out$> out to touchpanel (I've tried it with and without msp)
<format>256d
<string1>blank (also tried ")

When I look at the $out signal in debugger, all I get is &#92;x00.

I'm thinking maybe I need a different format or trigger?? Any ideas? Sorry if I'm missing something simpl here (lame pun intended).

Thanks

-Jeff

For MSPs - while there are other uses, it is primarily handy if you have a touch panel that ever goes offline in the case of Ethernet, or any wireless panel, or Xpanels. By putting a signal onto an MSP as well as a touch panel definition, you're ensuring that if/when the touch panel comes back online, the last string that was sent to it will be refreshed. (Even if that string was sent while the panel was offline)

Many touch panels include a permanent string size definition in SIMPL Windows now, but since there are also many that *don't*, I wind up using MSPs anyway by default.

Now - if you have a touch panel that is awake and online and you believe you're sending text to it and that text doesn't appear - then you have other issues. Time to fire up debugger and really focus on what is going to that serial join...

Analog to Serial - this symbol expects you to provide individual *characters* to build a string. If you have an analog signal that can go from 0 to anything larger than 9 and you're trying to display the value on a touch panel - then what you have won't do it. (Not to mention that an analog value in the range 0-9 needs to be transposed to the ASCII chart's equivalent value in order for even a single character to appear as text)

Easiest solution here, if you're just trying to display a simple number, is to draw a Digital Gauge object on your page and just supply the analog value to the touch panel.

If you absolutely want that value displayed as text via serial join, you need to do a conversion. Quickest way is using S+, where a one-line S+ program can use the S+ function "ITOA" to convert an analog value to ASCII text.

There are other approaches, depending on how much time you want to spend on it. For something like projector lamp hours that won't change any more often than once an hour, I'd just go with the S+ approach. (Assuming you can't use the digital gauge for some reason)

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "jmacd2918" <jmacd2918@> wrote:

I'm having issues/questions with a few serial items in a current project, my first "big" one.

First one, "make string permanent". Can someone give me a better explanation than what is on Crestron tutorials? Where would one use this? I'm mainly concerned with feedback making it to the touch panel/xpanel, some serial feedback seems to make it, some doesn't. Could the transient nature of serial be the culprit? Should I, as a matter of practice, make all serial feedback to the touch panel permanent?

Second one, analog to serial. I've never used this symbol before, so I'm not sure if I'm doing this correct. I'm trying to convert analog projector lamp hours to serial because I'm hoping to display indirect text and use a digital signal to change indicator color when lamp hours reach a certain threshold (that part works). What doesn't work is the analog to serial conversion.

Here is what I have:
<trig>1
<ain1>my lamp hours analog (this same signal is working elsewhere)
<out$> out to touchpanel (I've tried it with and without msp)
<format>256d
<string1>blank (also tried ")

When I look at the $out signal in debugger, all I get is &#92;x00.

I'm thinking maybe I need a different format or trigger?? Any ideas? Sorry if I'm missing something simpl here (lame pun intended).

Thanks

-Jeff

Not only are they not listening to CSP's but I try as a Consultant(also programmer) to relay things that are going on and they also fall on deaf ears. ?I'll talk to anyone who listens. ?I think they are actually sick of me.

I have been so disappointed in things of late that I actually had the chance to hit up Fred after the Consultant summit at Infocomm, Of all the things I could of talked to him about, I wanted to get my point across about dual ethernet ports needed on the DMPS series, not just Pro3. ?He was grateful of my suggestion and said the 3 series boards are getting ready for the DMPS and he will look into. ?I told him that at the very least they needed to add a cheap RX(model #DMRMC-IP-C, how do you like that?) that passed only Ethernet(I don't know if you can ever call it cheap by using up an actual video output). ?That way we could control a device with IP or go to a switch on the back side without the IT guys having a freakin' heart attack.

I am anxiously waiting to see if any of this comes to fruition.


Steve


________________________________
From: Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@...>
To: "'Crestron@...'" <Crestron@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Crestron] Complaints


Absolutely.

That's part of my frustration... while I haven't reached Fred level yet (because while I've _met_ Fred, I certainly don't have an actual relationship, much less one where I would feel comfortable going directly to him with everything that's "wrong") I've had conversation with _many_ others on the inside.

I don't want to provide too much detail but some of the conversations have been very productive, some have been "that's the way it is, so suck it", and some of the conversations have been frustrating because everyone involved in the conversation acknowledges there's a major issue and has possible solutions but there's too much institutional inertia to get them fixed anytime soon. In one of those key cases we, as an organization we can't even /consider/ using the tool until the issue is fixed.

In another case I have a project with a substantial amount of Crestron hardware (IIRC $60-80k at dealer cost...for a single room) at risk because the Pro3 is missing one feature the Pro2 has. I think I've calmed that client down enough for now.

I've all but given up on labs, and when I do browse over there I usually find myself wanting to throw something.


--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Silver)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
Crestron Services Provider


-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf Of RobK
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Complaints

Hey all

Just out of curiosity, I know a lot of people do like to vent on the board here (and I was once told as such), but when all of you have serious complaints about Crestron product (Smart graphics & Studio keep getting mentioned) do any of you do anything about it?? Do you get your bosses to complain to Crestron - and not just calling tech support or Rich - I'm talking calls to higher ups such as Fred?

Normally I'm not inclined to drop names, but it's not like these guys are hidden.

I'm not saying that will necessarily do anything, but it seems like if enough people get their higher ups to complain en mass, maybe some change can be effected, albeit slow?

Maybe this has been done, I don't know, but just curious how you guys have been attempting to deal with the problems that we can't fix.




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Wow Chip, you're easily satisfied.

I'm disappointed with my 1920x1080 17" laptop and 1920x1200 24" monitor and am looking for a 2560x1600 30" for a decent price ...

I'm doing TSW-1050s as we speak and I can barely see all my tools at 1920x1080 :(

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-08-15, at 7:53 AM, "Chip" <cfm@...> wrote:

I'm not hurting for real estate - main display is a nice 1920x1080 unit, and I have a 1680x1050 to plug in and extend to when I need it. (And yes, I've had VTPro stretched across both a few times)

Unfortunately the problem has nothing to do with available screen space...

- Chip

--- In Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com>, Nick Mitchell <nick@> wrote:

I've only needed to do this a few times but I switched my monitor
configuration from multiple desktops to stretch the first monitor across
the second so VTPro takes up both screens and then I had the real estate to
open up all the pages I wanted at the same time.

I dont know if all video cards support stretch but it was a function of
windows so maybe its more dependant on the version of windows. Im pretty
sure I did it on windows xp and 7 tho.

Nick


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On August 14, 2013 10:03:16 AM "Chip" <cfm@> wrote:

Yeah, the snapshot/image editor bit is how I've been rolling. :/ It's
"kinda" close?

- Chip


--- In Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com>, Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@> wrote:

Not that it really helps, but what I typically do is open Project #1,

expand out the project tree, and use SnagIt to capture the (scrolling)
workspace window... I then print it out and run down it with a highlighter.

Or if you want to be green open it in your favorite image editor and run

the eraser across each line.

--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Silver) V:

440.449.1100 x1107 F: 440-449-1106 I:

Crestron Services Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com>] On

Behalf Of Chip

Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:38 AM
To: Crestron@...<mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Crestron] Comparing VTPro projects

Anyone else wish you could launch two instances of VTPro? I have two

projects where I want to A/B the list of subpages and subpage references,
and the Workspace window just doesn't help...

- Chip


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I was able to make a subpage where the left side of the buttons worked but the right side didn't. I figured out why in the end. If you start with a subpage of a certain width, then later change the width to be more, the touch seems to only respond to the original width size. I had to create a new page of the final desired width and copy all my buttons over to get the touch to work properly right across the subpage. TSW-1050 v1.008.0015.001

OP

It's part of the module that gets stuffed into your SIMPL program as soon as you drag a CEN-NVS200 into it. I suspect somebody thought they were being pretty clever...

- Edward

--- In Crestron@..., "Chip" <cfm@> wrote:

Wow - and that's an I2P module that does that????

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "jaeger_pdigm" <fasteddy@> wrote:

The IP table entry is not used to establish a CIP connection, but is simply parsed by the simpl+ module to determine the IP address of the NVS. It's an odd use of the IP table to be sure.

Wow Chip, you're easily satisfied.

I'm disappointed with my 1920x1080 17" laptop and 1920x1200 24" monitor and am looking for a 2560x1600 30" for a decent price ...

I'm doing TSW-1050s as we speak and I can barely see all my tools at 1920x1080 :(

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-08-15, at 7:53 AM, "Chip" <cfm@...> wrote:

I'm not hurting for real estate - main display is a nice 1920x1080 unit, and I have a 1680x1050 to plug in and extend to when I need it. (And yes, I've had VTPro stretched across both a few times)

Unfortunately the problem has nothing to do with available screen space...

- Chip

--- In Crestron@..., Nick Mitchell <nick@> wrote:

I've only needed to do this a few times but I switched my monitor
configuration from multiple desktops to stretch the first monitor across
the second so VTPro takes up both screens and then I had the real estate to
open up all the pages I wanted at the same time.

I dont know if all video cards support stretch but it was a function of
windows so maybe its more dependant on the version of windows. Im pretty
sure I did it on windows xp and 7 tho.

Nick


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On August 14, 2013 10:03:16 AM "Chip" <cfm@> wrote:

Yeah, the snapshot/image editor bit is how I've been rolling. :/ It's
"kinda" close?

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., Lincoln King-Cliby <lincoln@> wrote:

Not that it really helps, but what I typically do is open Project #1,

expand out the project tree, and use SnagIt to capture the (scrolling)
workspace window... I then print it out and run down it with a highlighter.

Or if you want to be green open it in your favorite image editor and run

the eraser across each line.

--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Silver) V:

440.449.1100 x1107 F: 440-449-1106 I:

Crestron Services Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On

Behalf Of Chip

Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:38 AM
To: Crestron@...
Subject: [Crestron] Comparing VTPro projects

Anyone else wish you could launch two instances of VTPro? I have two

projects where I want to A/B the list of subpages and subpage references,
and the Workspace window just doesn't help...

- Chip


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Wow - and that's an I2P module that does that????

- Chip


--- In Crestron@..., "jaeger_pdigm" <fasteddy@> wrote:

The IP table entry is not used to establish a CIP connection, but is simply parsed by the simpl+ module to determine the IP address of the NVS. It's an odd use of the IP table to be sure.

I'm having issues/questions with a few serial items in a current project, my first "big" one.

First one, "make string permanent". Can someone give me a better explanation than what is on Crestron tutorials? Where would one use this? I'm mainly concerned with feedback making it to the touch panel/xpanel, some serial feedback seems to make it, some doesn't. Could the transient nature of serial be the culprit? Should I, as a matter of practice, make all serial feedback to the touch panel permanent?

Second one, analog to serial. I've never used this symbol before, so I'm not sure if I'm doing this correct. I'm trying to convert analog projector lamp hours to serial because I'm hoping to display indirect text and use a digital signal to change indicator color when lamp hours reach a certain threshold (that part works). What doesn't work is the analog to serial conversion.

Here is what I have:
<trig>1
<ain1>my lamp hours analog (this same signal is working elsewhere)
<out$> out to touchpanel (I've tried it with and without msp)
<format>256d
<string1>blank (also tried ")

When I look at the $out signal in debugger, all I get is &#92;x00.

I'm thinking maybe I need a different format or trigger?? Any ideas? Sorry if I'm missing something simpl here (lame pun intended).

Thanks

-Jeff

I'm having issues/questions with a few serial items in a current project,
my first "big" one.

First one, "make string permanent". Can someone give me a better
explanation than what is on Crestron tutorials? Where would one use this?
I'm mainly concerned with feedback making it to the touch panel/xpanel,
some serial feedback seems to make it, some doesn't. Could the transient
nature of serial be the culprit? Should I, as a matter of practice, make
all serial feedback to the touch panel permanent?

Second one, analog to serial. I've never used this symbol before, so I'm
not sure if I'm doing this correct. I'm trying to convert analog projector
lamp hours to serial because I'm hoping to display indirect text and use a
digital signal to change indicator color when lamp hours reach a certain
threshold (that part works). What doesn't work is the analog to serial
conversion.

Here is what I have:
<trig>1
<ain1>my lamp hours analog (this same signal is working elsewhere)
<out$> out to touchpanel (I've tried it with and without msp)
<format>256d
<string1>blank (also tried ")

When I look at the $out signal in debugger, all I get is &#92;x00.

I'm thinking maybe I need a different format or trigger?? Any ideas?
Sorry if I'm missing something simpl here (lame pun intended).

Thanks

-Jeff





------------------------------------




Check out the Files area for useful modules, documents, and drivers.

A contact list of Crestron dealers and programmers can be found in the
Database area.
Yahoo!
Groups Links

I'm having issues/questions with a few serial items in a current project, my first "big" one.

First one, "make string permanent". Can someone give me a better explanation than what is on Crestron tutorials? Where would one use this? I'm mainly concerned with feedback making it to the touch panel/xpanel, some serial feedback seems to make it, some doesn't. Could the transient nature of serial be the culprit? Should I, as a matter of practice, make all serial feedback to the touch panel permanent?

Second one, analog to serial. I've never used this symbol before, so I'm not sure if I'm doing this correct. I'm trying to convert analog projector lamp hours to serial because I'm hoping to display indirect text and use a digital signal to change indicator color when lamp hours reach a certain threshold (that part works). What doesn't work is the analog to serial conversion.

Here is what I have:
<trig>1
<ain1>my lamp hours analog (this same signal is working elsewhere)
<out$> out to touchpanel (I've tried it with and without msp)
<format>256d
<string1>blank (also tried ")

When I look at the $out signal in debugger, all I get is &#92;x00.

I'm thinking maybe I need a different format or trigger?? Any ideas? Sorry if I'm missing something simpl here (lame pun intended).

Thanks

-Jeff

The IP table entry is not used to establish a CIP connection, but is simply parsed by the simpl+ module to determine the IP address of the NVS. It's an odd use of the IP table to be sure.