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Re: New Simpl Icons


 

We've had some similar experiences.



Almost every time I commission a TSW panel at a major university I get
several 'comments' about the lack of mounting security. Frankly, if I was
the owner I'd be making the same comments.



The light bulb icon on the TSW infuriates most (in particular, educational)
clients that don't have integrated lighting. I get that Crestron wants to
sell lots of lighting systems, but forcing everyone to look a lighting icon
whether or not they've bought a lighting control system is a bit silly.



There's nothing about any Smart Object that I've encountered, the media
player excepted, that led me to suspect that I did anything but loose time
by employing them. If on any particular project I am on the fence regarding
time saved/lost, the first time I version up the VTP file and recompile, my
mind is made up as I stare at the mass of CED files.



Ever want to change the color. . .the f*^king color. . .of the active state
of a button on a TSW panel? The nightmarish time vampire that is the
Advanced Button is not the droid I was looking for (hint: neither is the
Theme Editor). You've worked in my home state enough to understand this
anecdote. . . Ever take a GUI with a bunch of buttons that turn blue when
pressed to the major state university who's colors >aren't< BLUE and gold?
Yah, I haven't either, and it's cost me plenty of extra effort when using
the 'wonderful, new time saving Core 3 interface' to achieve that non-blue
look. This after I had a Crestron RSM tell me, face to face with a the
owner of a dealer sitting next to me, that 'The new Core 3 interface
delivers a 40% savings in programming time, so you can charge your clients
less'.



And where are my manners, I haven't so much as mentioned Studio. How many
years has this thing been in development, and the end result is this
project-is-a-database mess? Seriously? Does anyone with any decision
making power on the Studio team even a have a Facebook friend who ever got
paid to program a Crestron system, let alone actually commission one for
real dollars themselves? Simpl and VTP aren't exactly collaboration
friendly programs, but at least they don't go out of their way to block such
activity.



Maybe it's this crappy Super8 hotel I'm stuck in tonight, regardless that
post does as somewhat cranky.



Perhaps a jog across the street to a local drinking establishment is in
order.







From: Crestron@... [mailto:Crestron@...] On Behalf
Of Lincoln King-Cliby
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:40 PM
To: 'Crestron@...'
Subject: RE: [Crestron] New Simpl Icons





Agree completely

My $0.02 is that "in the old days" Crestron had people in the field actually
programming systems -- and Crestron was a small enough company that almost
everyone had a hand in everything or could reach over a cube wall and slap
the person responsible if not.

Crestron seems to have largely gotten away from the "we'll build the
hardware AND program the system" model which means more work for us (yay!)
but also means that for the most part Crestron's engineers seem to be
working in a "marketing told us..." driven vacuum with the feedback loop
incomplete.

There are things as a programmer that drive me crazy on a daily basis, but
there are also things -- as a guy who really got his start in Academic
(Classroom) Technology and is still close to many professionals in that
corner of our industry -- that drive me absolutely batty and I'm convinced
no end user let alone programmer was asked about. The TSW-series [with the
exception of the 730] stands out:

- No "secure" mounting options -- want a free touchpanel? Walk buy and give
it a pull. There's a decent chance the magnets won't even come with the
panel.
- Hard buttons that are all but useless and not changeable (I had an
unbelievably long discussion a few weeks revolving around the "Light Icon"
and what to do with it given the room had no lighting and users were
confused by its mere presence. I think the ultimate solution was a square of
electrical tape, but I could be wrong.)
- Depending on who you ask (and how vehemently convinced they are that the
requirement applies to touchpanels generally and if a touchpanel should be
considered "signage" and subject to those regulations) there are a few ways
in which the white version of the TSW panels could be considered to violate
ADA guidelines.

(If you ever want to see a fun conversation, grab your favorite drink and
sit back while the "Director-Disabled Student and Access Services" and the
"Associate University Architect/Interior Design" are at a meeting and
arguing about how their standards won't let the university select the option
the other is proposing...this doesn't just apply to AV.

The audio in the MPS/DMPS is another example -- though efforts are being
made in that direction.

Lincoln

--
Lincoln King-Cliby, CTS
Commercial Market Director
Sr. Systems Architect | Crestron Certified Master Programmer (Silver)
ControlWorks Consulting, LLC
Crestron Services Provider

-----Original Message-----
From: Crestron@... <mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:Crestron@... <mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Steve Kaudle
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:09 PM
To: Crestron@... <mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Crestron] New Simpl Icons

Frankly, I think the direction they've been headed on the software front in
perticular, is quite worrisome (the recent lifeline given to VTP and Simpl
not withstanding). For some time I've had a suspicion that the folks in NJ
have a shockingly poor understanding of what we really do on a given work
day. Core3 and Studio have driven that home for me.

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013, Heath Volmer wrote:

**


I'm certainly one to poke fun when I can, but this thread has me thinking:

Does it make anyone else sad that the company we have been supporting for
so long is releasing thing after thing that we really can't stand, or
don't
trust to properly serve our clients?

(Of course I'm only speaking to those who might agree. ;-) Many of you
seem plenty happy with things...)

Heath

On Aug 13, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Ted <ted_brincka@...
<mailto:ted_brincka%40yahoo.com> <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'ted_brincka%40yahoo.com');>>
wrote:

HAHAHA!!!

--- In Crestron@... <mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com>
<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, "Chip" <cfm@...> wrote:


You need one for VTPro-e that only appears when you have a Smart
Graphics project open.

I'm thinking one of those faces with Xes where the eyes belong and a
skull & crossboned bottle of poison on the table.

- Chip


--- In Crestron@... <mailto:Crestron%40yahoogroups.com>
<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, Kool-Aid Drinker <herald@> wrote:



Now to put a rage face on the Toolbox splash...





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