Not to add fuel to the fire but on some level I agree with Patrick. Certification should be hard to obtain and you should have to prove your capability in all faculties and applications in our industry.
That being said, it's not practically possible to accomplish that for virtually anyone. This is not an industry where you can walk in off the street and get into. You typically have to work for a dealer who is in a certain market segment and learn that way. You often only get exposed to one market.
When I did my certification exam I had only done one commercial system that was more like a home theatre than a boardroom. However, I put in the hard work and due diligence to understand the commercial aspects and scope of the test because I knew that I needed to understand in order to be certified.
What I would ask is that anyone taking their exam needs to respect the process those of us already certified went through and only ask conceptual questions. We'll be happy to answer.
Ask us how and why roomview is used and what the application for panel to help desk messaging might be. Once you can grasp an understanding of this it will be easier for you to figure out how to accomplish it on your own.
I won't spoon feed you the questions because the most important part of learning is to know how to formulate a question to get the answer you need. Don't be afraid to tell us what you already understand and what you are confused or curious about. If you ask I, and I'm sure others will gladly answer.
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On 2013-05-12, at 8:06 PM, Geoffrey Reynolds <greynlds@...> wrote:
In the future, if you've got a problem with someone, reply to them off the
list, or ask a moderator to step in. The bottom line is that Patrick
simply offered his opinion which he's allowed to do here - IMO he did
nothing wrong (note that that doesn't mean that I share his opinion).
Personal attacks are not allowed here, period. As far as deleting the
thread, you may be able to delete your posts, but only moderators can
delete other people's posts.
Geoff
On Sunday, May 12, 2013, doug4684 wrote:
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Geoff,
I usually get great responses on this message board and in general
everyone is usually helpful. Patrick was the exception and I was really put
off by his comments.
I'm just going to delete this entire thread. Nothing in this message
thread is helpful to the overall community.
Thanks,
Doug
--- In Crestron@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, Geoffrey Reynolds <greynlds@...> wrote:
Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum. Attack the post, NOT the
poster.
Patrick - there's no reason to assume that everyone posting here works on
commercial projects. There are a lot of residential guys here too.
Geoff (donning his moderator hat)
On Sunday, May 12, 2013, doug4684 wrote:
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Patrick,
Take what I am about to say in the most helpful manner possible -
you're
an ass and what you wrote was in fact very rude.
I had a long response written explaining that I'm a resi guy and that
I'm
learning Roomview strictly for the certification exam, blah blah blah,
but
I decided it wasn't worth my time to reply to your pretentious
response to
my simple question. It's disappointing to know that guys like you
decide to
put down fellow programmers rather than simply not reply or take the 2
minutes to point someone in the right direction.
Doug
--- In Crestron@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, Phil Bridges <gravityhammer@> wrote:
Are you saying that people that have only done residential systems
shouldn't be certified?
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Pat B <PATB93@> wrote:
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Doug - please take what I say in the most helpful manner.
Definitely
not
trying to be rude, but trying to make sure that "being certified"
still
carries weight and has some meaning.
There was one thing you said that really stood out.
"I've never done a roomview system before"
Roomview is a staple of commercial programming. IMO, "never done
roomview"
= shouldn't be able to be certified whether a test is passed or
not.
Go out and do a roomview system. Figure out how it works. If you
had
done
a roomview system the answer to this question would be trivial.
Then
come
back next year and try for the certification.
Thanks,
Patrick
--- In Crestron@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'Crestron%40yahoogroups.com');>, "doug4684" <doug@> wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm working on the new certification test and basically one of
the
programs you have to be able to message back and forth from a V12
touchpanel to the helpdesk. I'm just wondering if anyone has any
experience
integrating this in a touchpanel. I'm not quite sure where to
start.
I've
never done a roomview system before. Is that functionality built
into
the
roomview software/module.
If someone could point me in the right direction to get started,
it
would be a big help. I need to learn this stuff so I'm not looking
for
a
completed program, just some general help/tips to get started.
Thanks!
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