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Hi everyone, I am wondering how many C cars are in my home town of Rochester NY? Thanks in advance, Tom

Hi folks, Welcome aboard! It is nice to have you with us. This will be a moderated mailing list, so it should be safe from spamming and all that. As moderator, I have the power to add and remove list members so we should be able to keep things under control. Thanks, Mike Chancey, '88 Civic EV Kansas City, Missouri EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/~mikt/ev/evlist.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Just wondering Whose here? I have a 1980 Commutacar. Mike Holland mike_holland@...

Hello Mike & all, I don't have one yet. Still Looking for one. Tony -- this is coming to you from Anthony Bailey KC0HZP (mailto:a636ccr@...) Southeast Missouri State University, Cape Girardeau, Missouri 63701

Thanks for doing this Mike! C-cars are so unique they deserve their own forum. I guess I'll kick things off with an update on my Citicar. It is no longer mega-seventies orange, but a more modern dark metallic green. This came after months of body work, because I had to graft on a new roof, and fix several cracks and holes (many thanks to Scott Hull). All that is left is to install the controller (upgraded curtis 1205 500 amp), batteries (8 Trojan T875 8 volts) and fix the tires and lights. Here is a picture of its current state: (It's all the same color of green, those lighter spots are reflections, something we're not used to seeing coming off a citicar) http://www.infosite.com/~rufus/stuff/citicarpaint.jpg It should be up and running in the next few months. Royce Chow rufus@...

Hi folks, It looks like attachments don't work on this list. I will look into exactly why, and see if it can be corrected. There is an alternative though, part of what comes with this egroup is an on-line archive for documents and files including images. Just go to: http://www.egroups.com/group/C-Car and click on "files". You will find we can also do things like polls, chat, create a database, or add weblinks. I have already transferred over a number of C-Car weblinks, but feel free to add more. Thanks, Mike Chancey, '88 Civic EV Kansas City, Missouri EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/~mikt/ev/evlist.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Thought I'd touch base. Have a 1981 Comutacar and a '76 Citicar. Have had the '81 running and registered. Have a Golftech 72V 400A Curtis 1205 upgrade. Have been having numerous failures under warranty. Have just voided my warranty by taking the unit out of the case and will mount it on a finned heat exchanger inside a piece of 6" pvc pipe with a 24V 6" muffin type fan on while the unit is running. The car runs like butter at 72V with golfcart type tires. Much more stable and does not feel like a death trap. Will be another couple weeks before getting it running. Has anyone else had a rash of problems with Curtis controllers. Have all the attendant surge and arc suppressors. Failures seem to be temperature related. Hey, it was interesting to get inside the unit anyway. Tom Gocze

Hi everyone, I have a 1980 Commutavan which is currently down waiting for me to finish a new version of my controller. You can see pictures of it and detail on the controller at my web site: http://people.mw.mediaone.net/tsnoblen Tom Snoblen N8AMX

I have owned seven C-cars over the last three years. I fixed up and sold some of them and junked/parted out two of them. I now have two Comuta-cars. The yellow Comuta-car is stock (I need a F/R contactor assembly and field coils - I have lots of other spare parts if anyone is interested), and the brown one has been modified. See at: http://www.m-cad.com/dp/ev/index.html Scott Hull

Hi folks, I would like to make a data base of parts interchanges for the C-cars. Basically, whenever someone finds a perfect interchange, let us know with full part numbers. I will try to make a database of this info and add it to the C-Car homepage files. Somewhere I have a partial listing from my Citicar, and I will attempt to locate that and get it into the system. This is an example of what I have in mine: Brake System: Master Cylinder 74-78? Citicar (single master) Wagner #** 78-82? Comutacar (dual master) Wagner #** Thanks, Mike Chancey, C-Car Moderator '88 Civic EV Kansas City, Missouri EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/~mikt/ev/evlist.html

Hi Mike, and C-Car people, This is a great idea, and the timing couldn't have been better. I have been interested in these cars for a few years now, and last month I aquired 4 Comutacars. These cars have been sitting in the weather for about 7-8 year, but I think I can make 2 to 3 out of the 4. I have one I'm working on now that I've removed all parts from under the car sand blasted, painted, replaced all shocks, all brake lines, and master cylinder. Will bleed system this week end, and start on the wiring. I will send in pictures later of this project. Again great idea, and looking forward to the input, and pictures of other C-Cars being restored. Don Morin KE4HDG Bell, Florida

Hi Guy's, I think the Parts Data base is great. As I said before I have just finished the bottom end of the car. I bleed the brakes today, and have a strong full pedal. There was a problem getting all the air out of a system that has been almost totally replaced. I had to design a pressure feeder plate for the master cylinder, and it worked great. It bleed the system in 15 min. a done deal.... Everything below was replace except the brake shoes, wheel cylinders, and cylinder cups. The cups were in good shape so I reused them. These Bendix wheel cylinders I have had no luck so far finding, or crossing for replacement. Now that I have explained where I am here is a list of part numbers that I did find so I hope this will help. I will start by saying that my business is right next to a NAPA Auto Parts store. Could you ask for anything better! These guy's find this project interesting, and have been bending over to help me find parts for this little car. One of the first things I had to replace was the Shocks. The one's that were on this Comutarcar were Gabriel Shocks, and didn't cross. NAPA did cross this shocks travel to a Monroe. The NAPA part # is 20721. Now there is one small problem with this shock, and that is the bottom end of the shock has a mounting hole smaller then the Gabriel. I solved this problem by turning the bolt down on my Lathe from 5/8" to around 7/16". You make the choice for yourself if this is what you want to do.......it worked for me. The Master cylinder is a rebuilt NAPA Pt. # 10-1373 cost @ $26.00. The only difference is the reservoir cover on this unit bolts down. I find this easier to remove then the spring retainer. Brake lines and such are not a problem, but if you want part # let me know I'll send # that I used. Don

Hi folks, Does anyone know when the last Comutacar was made? I can't recall if it was '80, '81, or '82. I know the first Citicars were made in '74, but when did it all end? Thanks, Mike Chancey, '88 Civic EV Kansas City, Missouri EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org Citicar/Comutacar egroup at: http://www.egroups.com/group/C-Car Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/~mikt/ev/evlist.html

Mike, In response to your question as to what year my Comutacars are I will be honest I really don't know. This I can tell you is that all four of these cars were used by Miami Prison Guards. I was told they hated the cars, and did everything to to break them. They hit the speed bumps so hard that it bent leaf springs. Now I don't know if there is a place that the year is stamped on these vehicles, or coded in the VIN #? When I finished sand blasting the rear end I found the #4-25-80 in the casing, but don't know if that was the date the rear end was built, or the car. If any one knows where to find the date I'd like to know. Had the Sheriff Dept. run a VIN # Check, and nothing came up. Also to answer the question about the shocks travel if I remember correctly they were very close around 1/2" difference. It was the best match NAPA could come up with. I'll send you the Original Master cylinder # when I pull the one out of the other car. Don

I just installed the batteries in my citicar, and there is no sign of any holddown method. I see some holes in the bottom, but they look more like drains than mounting points. Did citicars originally have battery holddowns, and if so, where did they mount? Royce Chow 197? Citicar, sitting at a happy 67.8 volts

Hello to All, I would be curious to know if anyone has replaced the stock 13" rims on the Comutacar and replaced them with 12" rims in order to utilize 12" radials (i.e. 145/80R12) which are readily available. If you have made this conversion, where did you get the rim with the proper bolt pattern and offset? Also, does anyone know the wheel offset on the 13" rims? Thank you.

I tried some trailer tires and found that some of the rims are metric instead of english units (inches) and they were slightly off. This caused a wobble that was not too much fun to drive with. Then tried 10" golf cart rims and they improved the ride markedly. The tradeoff was a slower vehicle and lower ground clearance. Haven't dragged on anything yet. The car feels alot less like a deathtrap over 35 with these new wheels and tires. I increased the operating voltage to 72 volts and this combination makes my '80 C-car a nice ride. Tom Gocze

Hi, Sorry this has taken so long to answer, but I had the information about the 10" tires and wheels at my office. When I tried trailer tires I found that the four hole spacing was slightly off (close enough for a trailer I guess) since they were metric and very close to the inch units of our wheels. This made the car thump slightly, I suppose it was my luck to get metric substitutes. Anyway, my local tire dealer took them back and got me the 10" rims and Goodyear Double Eagle radials--which cost alot. I have since found a golfcart place that sells them at a much better price. It is Santiago Golf Car Supply in Orange, CA. Phone is 714-633-9089 or www.santiagogolf.com. There are other suppliers of these types of tires after all, we are driving glorified golf carts now. Good luck, Tom Gocze

I was visiting my local K-mart over the weekend and noticed they carried Goodyear Club metric radials. They had the 155/80R12 size (21.7" diameter) in stock and were sale priced at $21.99 ea. The tread pattern on these looked pretty decent too. A picture and specs are available on Goodyear's web site (www.goodyear.com). This might be a good fit for the C-cars that have the 12" rims.

I have a Comuta car I want to update the controler in it. but I have no idea where to start. the car is not runing now. my goul is to have it runing by this spring. any ideas would be helpfull