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Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS?

Chuck Gelm All Messages By This Member #41828 开云体育 240718 10:28:20 <NC8Q????? import /home/pi/kc7mry 240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM 240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM 240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? OK 240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Msg 24795 Routing Trace To RMS Via KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM 240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace to RMS Matches BBS RMS I am trying to send: SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM WP Update Original Message > R:240718/0400Z 3082@K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM LinBPQ6.0.24 > ... > On 240717 KC7MRY/U @ KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM zip 17237 John Mont Alto, PA > On 240715 KC3RTU/U @ KC3RTU@KB3ICU.#CHBG.PA.USA.NOAM zip 17201 Rob Chambersbug, PA > On 240714 KC3WUP/U @ KC3WUP@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM zip ? Jeff Rion Mont Alto,? PA ... Hi, John: Hierarchical address: I think your country code is USA, not US. I think your continental code is NOAM, not NAOM. 73, Chuck /ex To K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM, but BPQ32 prefers to route it via RMS. I put PA.US.NAOM in the HR (Personals and Directed Bulls) field for K3CLM, but BPQ32 still chooses the match RMS. ! If I 'fix' the hierarchical address, the message is routed correctly. Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS? 73, Chuck
Mark Taylor All Messages By This Member #41829 Probably because BPQ sees the error ( i.e.NAOM) as an internet address rather than an hierarchical address. ? The clue could be in the forwarding record for the user RMS. ? ? ?
Jim KY2D All Messages By This Member #41830 开云体育 Two things to note. At first glance it looks like it goes to RMS because you have a typo in the HA. The “US.NAOM” should be “USA.NOAM” at the end. Unless you have a direct path to the destination system, it won’t match any of the intermediate stations’ forwarding rules. That makes the KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM be treated as an internet address and thus is sent to RMS. ? On a second read, it looks like there’s another issue. The message is address to … .#WPA.PA.US.NAOM but you state that you put PA.US.NAOM in the HA forwarding. That’s not a match, again leaving the addressed to resolve to an internet address and be sent to RMS. ? 73 Jim KY2D. ? toggle quoted message Show quoted text From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chuck Gelm Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2024 6:38 To: [email protected] Subject: [bpq32] Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS? ? 240718 10:28:20 <NC8Q????? import /home/pi/kc7mry 240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM 240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM 240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? OK 240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Msg 24795 Routing Trace To RMS Via KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM 240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace to RMS Matches BBS RMS I am trying to send: SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM WP Update Original Message > R:240718/0400Z 3082@K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM LinBPQ6.0.24 > ... > On 240717 KC7MRY/U @ KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM zip 17237 John Mont Alto, PA > On 240715 KC3RTU/U @ KC3RTU@KB3ICU.#CHBG.PA.USA.NOAM zip 17201 Rob Chambersbug, PA > On 240714 KC3WUP/U @ KC3WUP@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM zip ? Jeff Rion Mont Alto,? PA ... Hi, John: Hierarchical address: I think your country code is USA, not US. I think your continental code is NOAM, not NAOM. 73, Chuck /ex To K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM, but BPQ32 prefers to route it via RMS. I put PA.US.NAOM in the HR (Personals and Directed Bulls) field for K3CLM, but BPQ32 still chooses the match RMS. ! If I 'fix' the hierarchical address, the message is routed correctly. Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS? 73, Chuck
Chuck Gelm All Messages By This Member #41831 开云体育 On 7/18/24 07:55, Mark Taylor wrote: Probably because BPQ sees the error ( i.e.NAOM) as an internet address rather than an hierarchical address. ? The clue could be in the forwarding record for the user RMS. ? ? Hi, Mark: Thanks. I (do not / did not) understand that BPQ-BBS treats a 'no match' as forward via internet. :-\| Baffling. I am inserting a small image of my RMS Forward configuration. 73, Chuck ?
Chuck Gelm All Messages By This Member #41832 开云体育 On 7/18/24 09:43, Jim KY2D wrote: Two things to note. At first glance it looks like it goes to RMS because you have a typo in the HA. The “US.NAOM” should be “USA.NOAM” at the end. Unless you have a direct path to the destination system, it won’t match any of the intermediate stations’ forwarding rules. That makes the KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM be treated as an internet address and thus is sent to RMS. ? On a second read, it looks like there’s another issue. The message is address to … .#WPA.PA.US.NAOM but you state that you put PA.US.NAOM in the HA forwarding. That’s not a match, again leaving the addressed to resolve to an internet address and be sent to RMS. ? 73 Jim KY2D. ? 240718 10:15:13 ?NC8Q????? Msg 24792 Routing Trace To RMS Via KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM 240718 10:15:13 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace to RMS Matches BBS RMS Hi, Jim: Thanks. This is not a typo, I did it that way, but yes, it is a mal-formed HA. ;-) I am learning something new about BPQ-BBS HA routing. I have PA.US.NAOM in the HR field of a forwarding neighbor in #WPA.PA.USA.NOAM, So, I was trying to, at least, forward directly into #WPA. I was expecting to see a HA routing match ~ "depth of 3"<--NAOM.US.PA. Like: 240618 20:11:01 ?NC8Q????? Msg 23751 Routing Trace To W3PHB Via W3PHB@W3PHB.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM 240618 20:11:01 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace Type P TO W3PHB VIA W3PHB@W3PHB.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM Route On WW NA USA PA #WPA 240618 20:11:01 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS K3CLM Depth 5 240618 20:11:01 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace HR Matches BBS N3MEL Depth 4 240618 20:11:01 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace HR Best Match is K3CLM 240618 20:11:09 \|K3CLM???? Connecting to BBS K3CLM But, nooooo, with a non-standard/mal-formed HA, there is no mention of a 'Match', so it went to RMS. :-( Grrrrr. I still think '*.PA.US.NAOM' is a 'Match' to my K3CLM Forward. :-\| I assume that a BBS in #WPA.PA.USA.NOAM would not have a forward to HA: #WPA.PA.USA.NOAM, thus the message would forward by @CALLSIGN. Although, now I fear that K3CLM would next send the message to RMS. Alas! I think the default should not be 'send everything not understood to RMS'. 73, Chuck
Mark Taylor All Messages By This Member #41833 On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 01:35 PM, Chuck Gelm wrote: I think the default should not be 'send everything not understood to RMS'. I believe there are two ways for a message to be sent via internet mail from a BBS. ? 1.? If you have an ISP configuration in your main BBS configuration then the message will be sent to your ISP for delivery. 2.? To your RMS for delivery. ? ? I believe the default is to send it to your ISP if configured, then to your RMS connection if it exists, then held due to "Nowhere to Forward." ? ? Hopefully John will chime in with his comments soon. ? ? Mark ?
John G8BPQ All Messages By This Member #41834 开云体育 BPQMail checks if a message is to a packet or Internet address when the message is input. Basically a message is deemed to be an internet address if the @ field contains a . and the last element of the address is not a valid packet continent or country code. NAOM is not a valid continent, so the message is routed to RMS. There have been some messages asking why NAOM doesn't match NAOM in the hierarchical routing config. The reason is that the packet/internet determination is made before the message is passed to the routing code. 73, John On 18/07/2024 11:37, Chuck Gelm wrote: toggle quoted message Show quoted text 240718 10:28:20 <NC8Q????? import /home/pi/kc7mry 240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM 240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM 240718 10:28:20 >NC8Q????? OK 240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Msg 24795 Routing Trace To RMS Via KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM 240718 10:28:20 ?NC8Q????? Routing Trace to RMS Matches BBS RMS I am trying to send: SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM WP Update Original Message > R:240718/0400Z 3082@K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM LinBPQ6.0.24 > ... > On 240717 KC7MRY/U @ KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM zip 17237 John Mont Alto, PA > On 240715 KC3RTU/U @ KC3RTU@KB3ICU.#CHBG.PA.USA.NOAM zip 17201 Rob Chambersbug, PA > On 240714 KC3WUP/U @ KC3WUP@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM zip ? Jeff Rion Mont Alto,? PA ... Hi, John: Hierarchical address: I think your country code is USA, not US. I think your continental code is NOAM, not NAOM. 73, Chuck /ex To K3CLM.#WPA.PA.USA.NOAM, but BPQ32 prefers to route it via RMS. I put PA.US.NAOM in the HR (Personals and Directed Bulls) field for K3CLM, but BPQ32 still chooses the match RMS. ! If I 'fix' the hierarchical address, the message is routed correctly. Why does SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM match RMS? 73, Chuck
Chuck Gelm All Messages By This Member #41835 开云体育 On 7/19/24 03:47, John G8BPQ wrote: BPQMail checks if a message is to a packet or Internet address when the message is input. Basically a message is deemed to be an internet address if the @ field contains a . and the last element of the address is not a valid packet continent or country code. NAOM is not a valid continent, so the message is routed to RMS. There have been some messages asking why NAOM doesn't match NAOM in the hierarchical routing config. The reason is that the packet/internet determination is made before the message is passed to the routing code. 73, John Hi, John: Thank you. I will add #WPA.PA to the HR field of my forwarding neighbor, then try: SP KC7MRY@KC7MRY.#WPA.PA.US.NAOM.NOAM 73, Chuck
Chuck Gelm All Messages By This Member #41836 Adding PA.US.NAOM.NOAM to the HR field of my forwarding neighbor caused the message to forward as hoped. Next, find out what my neighbor BBS did with it after it arrived. :-\| 73, Chuck
Mark Taylor All Messages By This Member #41837 On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 06:27 AM, Chuck Gelm wrote: PA.US.NAOM.NOAM Chuck, ? NAOM is not going to be valid in an HR at all.? Even if YOU have a route in a forwarding record that BPQ try and process and even send to your forwarding partner because his record has that error, the next BBS along the route will not.? Most likely somewhere along the line some BBS will return the "Nowhere to route message" and you end up with an undesired route?? It might even result in matching one element, NOAM, and the message is distributed to hundreds of BBS's across NOAM instead of to PA.? Use a proper route, and teach your users proper routing. ? What is the attraction to using NAOM anywhere in the route, anyway? ? ? ? ? ?
Chuck Gelm All Messages By This Member #41840 On 7/19/24 08:42, Mark Taylor wrote: What is the attraction to using NAOM anywhere in the route, anyway? Hi, Mark: Thanks. You are correct...my neighbor in #WPA.PA.USA.NOAM got the 'nowhere to route' and the message was held. Pshew, at least I didn't mess up hundreds of BBSs. A WP Update arrived with the mis-configured HA about 11 days ago. I was trying to assist the new sysop. Alas, that new callsign does not have an email-of-record at qrz.com, so I was trying to send a packet message to the new sysop. I am suspending this endeavor. :-\| 73, Chuck
Mark Taylor All Messages By This Member #41841 That makes sense.. ? If you need to get a message to him you can always start a terminal session and connect through various nodes to get to him.? I went through N3HYM, and KC3OLO, to get to him. You can drop a message right onto his BBS that way. ? ? 73 Mark ? ?

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