Re: Telnet issues via older clients
On 4/7/25 11:07, Doug VE1LG via groups.io wrote: If I try to telnet into my node (on my home LAN) from an older telnet client (i.e. MS-DOS or Mac System 7) I get the callsign prompt and after typing 1 or 2 characters several gibberish characters are printed on the screen and I can't type anymore. If, from one of these older telnet clients, I telnet into a Linux box I have on my LAN and then from there telnet into my node all is fine. BPQ sends some telnet IAC (Interpret As Command) characters when you connect via what it thinks is a telnet connection Last I looked at this at a low level BPQ sends 0xFF 0xFB 0x03 0xFF 0xFB 0x01 0xFF = Telnet IAC ('Interpret as Command') 0xFB = Telnet Sender Will (enable this option) 0x01 = echo (RFC 857) 0x03 = suppress go ahead (RFC 858) Could this be what you are referring to?? These sequences are as old as the hills, but I wonder if these old clients may perhaps not implement it? Just a guess, but you could verify the behavior by using something like netcat to send such a sequence to these old clients and see if they choke on that. 73 -Willem -- ================================================================ Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica Address: 3835 Beaver Brook Canyon Road, Evergreen, CO 80439, USA Tel: (303) 716-3573 Email: Willem.Schreuder@...
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Telnet issues via older clients
Hi all,
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If I try to telnet into my node (on my home LAN) from an older telnet client (i.e. MS-DOS or Mac System 7) I get the callsign prompt and after typing 1 or 2 characters several gibberish characters are printed on the screen and I can't type anymore.? If, from one of these older telnet clients, I telnet into a Linux box I have on my LAN and then from there telnet into my node all is fine.
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So there's some compatibility issue between the old and new.? These same older telnet clients can telnet into anything and everything I've thrown at them from Linux boxes to various "modern" bulletin board systems etc.? But just not LinBPQ's telnet server.
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This isn't "mission critical", I just like to mix hobbies.? I've tried all the things you'd expect like vt100 vs ansi etc, to no avail.? Anyone else solve this issue? Or am I the only one even trying to match up such old machines with LinBPQ's telnet lol.
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73,
Doug
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Re: KM4ACK's Video How to install a Winlink Server on a Pi
I set up generic PTT with FLrig and no that's working. Closest packet station is 44km away. Why I'm setting up my own.?
On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 7:14 PM, Jeremy Pierce via groups.io <piercejj@...> wrote: PAT shows active so it's probabaly grabbed that port.?
KM6QAQ? On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 1:13 PM, John G8BPQ via groups.io <john.wiseman@...> wrote:
Error 98 means port in use. You could be using port 8080 in some
other software or you could have two copies of LinBPQ running.
Using SSID -10 for Winlink is the usual convention? but isn't
required.
73, John
On 31/03/2025 17:00, Jeremy Pierce via
groups.io wrote:
When running screen -r bpq I get the following error.? Seems
to be an incorrect port setting (comes up by default in linBPQ
Config Generator).?
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Also, you need to use CALLSIGN-10, if you are going to run
this config as a Winlink Server??
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Any help will be greatly appreciated.? I'm hoping that he
does more videos on how to run forms.?
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KM6QAQ
73
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Re: KM4ACK's Video How to install a Winlink Server on a Pi
PAT shows active so it's probabaly grabbed that port.?
On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 1:13 PM, John G8BPQ via groups.io <john.wiseman@...> wrote:
Error 98 means port in use. You could be using port 8080 in some
other software or you could have two copies of LinBPQ running.
Using SSID -10 for Winlink is the usual convention? but isn't
required.
73, John
On 31/03/2025 17:00, Jeremy Pierce via
groups.io wrote:
When running screen -r bpq I get the following error.? Seems
to be an incorrect port setting (comes up by default in linBPQ
Config Generator).?
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Also, you need to use CALLSIGN-10, if you are going to run
this config as a Winlink Server??
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Any help will be greatly appreciated.? I'm hoping that he
does more videos on how to run forms.?
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KM6QAQ
73
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Re: BPQ web session disconnect time out configuration?
I've noticed the same thing with my LinBPQ, ever since I updated to 6.0.24.69.? It has a hard time loading Webmail, sometimes requiring several reloads of the page, and sometimes Terminal won't load completely.? Restarting LinBPQ improves it for a while, but then gets worse.
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BPQ web session disconnect time out configuration?
This is something that occurs pretty fast while working on the web site of BPQ, it occurs in Windows and Raspberry.
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Is there a configuration to extend the time until disconnect the web session or this is my Web Browser (using Brave)?
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You Da Man Joey. This is exactly what I wanted. Works like a charm.
Now all I have to do is work out a script that will allow a telnet session to produce finger requests. Give?it a try? "finger ^ philadelphia@..."? ?replace philadelphia with?your town and ditch the ^ if you want metric vs imperial.
Thanks!!!
On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 8:36?PM Joey KQ4CIN via <joey.scarlett= [email protected]> wrote: Hey mark
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I have several apps running locally as well as on? tcp servers and a docker server on my network.? I think that this?
MUD "telnet 44.56.66.6 4000
Should probably look like
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APPLICATION 23,MUD,ATTACH 2 44.56.66.6 4000 REALTELNET NOCALL,,?
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Application 23 will vary based on how many apps you have running. In your case it may be application 4 or 5 or 6 etc.
The attach 2 statement connects the telnet line.
It would be like c 2 44.56.66.6 4000?
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As long as your statement is not set to localhost you will be connecting out to another server?
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Chris listed 3 examples
one running locally as local host followed by port 4000
Next was a connect statement with an domain name followed by port 23
And the last was a connect statement using an IP address followed by port 23
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I hope that helps?
73
Kq4cin?
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Also that call sign in your connect statement may be causing your app to not launch properly. Try using the nocall.
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Hey mark
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I have several apps running locally as well as on? tcp servers and a docker server on my network.? I think that this?
MUD "telnet 44.56.66.6 4000
Should probably look like
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APPLICATION 23,MUD,ATTACH 2 44.56.66.6 4000 REALTELNET NOCALL,,?
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Application 23 will vary based on how many apps you have running. In your case it may be application 4 or 5 or 6 etc.
The attach 2 statement connects the telnet line.
It would be like c 2 44.56.66.6 4000?
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As long as your statement is not set to localhost you will be connecting out to another server?
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Chris listed 3 examples
one running locally as local host followed by port 4000
Next was a connect statement with an domain name followed by port 23
And the last was a connect statement using an IP address followed by port 23
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I hope that helps?
73
Kq4cin?
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Yes, but it does not speak?to what I want to do. This simply allows me to connect to an application running?on the same machine as the BPQ. Don't want that. I want users to enter "MUD" and they be gazetted?to a different machine that is hosting the MUD.?
As I said, this works in JNOS very well - mbox alias MUD "telnet 44.56.66.6 4000". Its an alias. As if a user had typed the command out at the BBS prompt like so ...
You have 0 messages.
NI2O:NI2O Area: g7ltt Current msg# 0.
BAT,BOFH,DX,GAMES,MUD,WX,?,A,B,C,CONV,D,E,F,H,I,IH,IP,J,K,L,M,N,NR,O,P,PI,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Z >
On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 3:04?AM John G8BPQ via <john.wiseman= [email protected]> wrote:
Have you read
Applications Interface.html ?
You can also set up a telnet connect command as an Application
Alias.
BPQ doesn't have a finger command.
73,
John
On 03/04/2025 02:20, Mark Phillips via
wrote:
I am trying to add some applications to my node.
Under JNOS I was able to add "mbox alias" statements?that
allowed users to enter an alias e.g. "MUD" and then it would
magically?telnet them to an app (a copy of Circle MUD). Can I do
this with BPQ?
I've done this in my config? APPLICATION
4,MUD,,NI2O-5,WYNWX,255 but I can't work out how to then
create a telnet connection out of the node to the service when
the MUD command is issued. All I get is "WAYNE:NI2O-3} Sorry,
Application MUD is not running - Please try later". Which
makes sense as there's?no instructions to do "telnet
44.56.66.6 4000".
Thanks
Mark / NI2O
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Re: APRS Message Acknowledgments
Also getting the below error on linbpq start:
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Using Shared Memory /BPQAPRSSharedMem
Create Shared Memory: Permission denied
Create APRS Shared Memory Failed
Map APRS Shared Memory Allocated at (nil)
APRS not using shared memory
APRS Non-Shared Memory Allocated at f17bb008
APRS Digi/Gateway Enabled
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the below lines are what i use
APPLICATION 21,SMAUG,ATTACH 2 localhost 4000 REALTELNET NOCALL,, ? ;NOCALL so it doesn't send callsign to MUD games APPLICATION 22,HACK,ATTACH 2 23 REALTELNET NOCALL,, ? ;NOCALL so it doesn't send callsign to MUD games APPLICATION 23,DMUD,ATTACH 2 82.68.167.69 23 REALTELNET NOCALL,, ? ;
this should give you examples of a locally hosted server, a remote/url server, and a remote/ip server. (with all the added 'switches' a really long url will exceed the line character limit. use resolved ip instead)
the realtelnet switch is fairly self explanatory but explained well in the docs that were linked. the nocall switch connects you to a server without 'pushing' assumed credentials.
good luck kb0wlf
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APRS Message Acknowledgments
My APRS in LinBPQ does not seem to acknowledging incoming messages??
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Apologies for any grammar or spelling errors!
--
73 de Glenn Allison N3MEL
(tprfn) The Packet Radio Forwarding Network
EPA Hub Station
www.tprfn.net?
Emergency Coordinator
Chester County ARES/RACES
www.w3eoc.org
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Have you read
Applications Interface.html ?
You can also set up a telnet connect command as an Application
Alias.
BPQ doesn't have a finger command.
73,
John
On 03/04/2025 02:20, Mark Phillips via
groups.io wrote:
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I am trying to add some applications to my node.
Under JNOS I was able to add "mbox alias" statements?that
allowed users to enter an alias e.g. "MUD" and then it would
magically?telnet them to an app (a copy of Circle MUD). Can I do
this with BPQ?
I've done this in my config? APPLICATION
4,MUD,,NI2O-5,WYNWX,255 but I can't work out how to then
create a telnet connection out of the node to the service when
the MUD command is issued. All I get is "WAYNE:NI2O-3} Sorry,
Application MUD is not running - Please try later". Which
makes sense as there's?no instructions to do "telnet
44.56.66.6 4000".
Thanks
Mark / NI2O
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I am trying to add some applications to my node. Under JNOS I was able to add "mbox alias" statements?that allowed users to enter an alias e.g. "MUD" and then it would magically?telnet them to an app (a copy of Circle MUD). Can I do this with BPQ?
I've done this in my config? APPLICATION 4,MUD,,NI2O-5,WYNWX,255 but I can't work out how to then create a telnet connection out of the node to the service when the MUD command is issued. All I get is "WAYNE:NI2O-3} Sorry, Application MUD is not running - Please try later". Which makes sense as there's?no instructions to do "telnet 44.56.66.6 4000".
Thanks
Mark / NI2O
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Re: Packet BBS using 44 network
Hello Mark, Not at all "less complicated". Firstly, you would not be setting up the HamGate. It would be done by others so you are simply a client.
Ok, but that wasn¡¯t made clear IMO.
Secondly, most ISP router devices do not support DMZ or similar settings (are you still using your ISP's router - ditch it NOW!!!!).
Actually in my own experience, many do. They don't always have the DMZ feature that works with IPGATEWAY,? however. In my case I am using my own router. I have my own VPS/VPN solution using Wireguard and Vultr in order to work around Carrier Grade NAT. Without it I can't even do AXUDP links let alone 44-net. It works, but it was complicated to set up.
3rdly, how are you receiving the APMPR-RIP statements that will update your local ENCAP? 44net RIP is not compatible with standard RIP and so while you may?be getting the updates your Debian box will not understand them.
Those that are using BPQ's IPGATEWAY are receiving the RIP44 updates directly just as a linux gateway running ampr-ripd does.
Fourthly, that setup only covers a single host. What if you have a subnet to route?? How do you get to the other addresses in?your network?
Looking at the original post, all he wanted was to get the BPQ BBS on 44-net. There are ways to get more hosts on 44-net once one host is on it with IPGATEWAY. Using IPGATEWAY for that would not be my first choice, however.?
73, Lee K5DAT?
Since when is obtaining a VMS (I believe that's equivalent to a VPS here in the US), turning that into a "hamgate", and setting up a VPN, less complicated than adding 5 lines to BPQ's configuration file and leveraging the DMZ feature of a home router to point to a previously unused LAN address?
While the above doesn't always work due to ISP limitations, if it does work, it's considerably less complicated.
Lee K5DAT
This is all far too complicated. The whole point of both ARDC and HamGate projects is to lower the access bar. No requirement for DMZ's or specific routers that can do Protocol 4 or ampr-rip.
Why don't you UK guys club together and rent yourselves a VMS (I'm using an outfit in Manchester for work purposes for only $6 a month). Convert that into a "HamGate" and then VPN to it. Problem solved.
Access to it is via either a VPN client running on the BBS device, or a small sub $25 router ahead of the BBS device.
Back when I ran GB7TVG the UK IP coordinator was a bloke called Paul Taylor, G1PLT . Is it still her? Maybe you could work with the coordinator to make a "HamGate" happen?
Alan
I have the following
IPGATEWAY Adapter eth0 44ENCAP 192.168.1.100 <router mac addrr> IPADDR ****
Obviously replace your 44 net address and mask with your allocated ones.? The 100 address is configured as the dmz IP in my ISP router. Which BPQ then used for 44 traffic including the broadcasts
73 Steve?
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Re: Packet BBS using 44 network
Not at all "less complicated". Firstly, you would not be setting up the HamGate. It would be done by others so you are simply a client. Secondly, most ISP router devices do not support DMZ or similar settings (are you still using your ISP's router - ditch it NOW!!!!). 3rdly, how are you receiving the APMPR-RIP statements that will update your local ENCAP? 44net RIP is not compatible with standard RIP and so while you may?be getting the updates your Debian box will not understand them. Fourthly, that setup only covers a single host. What if you have a subnet to route?? How do you get to the other addresses in?your network? ?
Since when is obtaining a VMS (I believe that's equivalent to a VPS here in the US), turning that into a "hamgate", and setting up a VPN, less complicated than adding 5 lines to BPQ's configuration file and leveraging the DMZ feature of a home router to point to a previously unused LAN address?
While the above doesn't always work due to ISP limitations, if it does work, it's considerably less complicated.
Lee K5DAT
This is all far too complicated. The whole point of both ARDC and HamGate projects is to lower the access bar. No requirement for DMZ's or specific routers that can do Protocol 4 or ampr-rip.
Why don't you UK guys club together and rent yourselves a VMS (I'm using an outfit in Manchester for work purposes for only $6 a month). Convert that into a "HamGate" and then VPN to it. Problem solved.
Access to it is via either a VPN client running on the BBS device, or a small sub $25 router ahead of the BBS device.
Back when I ran GB7TVG the UK IP coordinator was a bloke called Paul Taylor, G1PLT . Is it still her? Maybe you could work with the coordinator to make a "HamGate" happen?
Alan
I have the following
IPGATEWAY Adapter eth0 44ENCAP 192.168.1.100 <router mac addrr> IPADDR ****
Obviously replace your 44 net address and mask with your allocated ones.? The 100 address is configured as the dmz IP in my ISP router. Which BPQ then used for 44 traffic including the broadcasts
73 Steve?
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Re: Packet BBS using 44 network
Since when is obtaining a VMS (I believe that's equivalent to a VPS here in the US), turning that into a "hamgate", and setting up a VPN, less complicated than adding 5 lines to BPQ's configuration file and leveraging the DMZ feature of a home router to point to a previously unused LAN address?
While the above doesn't always work due to ISP limitations, if it does work, it's considerably less complicated.
Lee K5DAT
This is all far too complicated. The whole point of both ARDC and HamGate projects is to lower the access bar. No requirement for DMZ's or specific routers that can do Protocol 4 or ampr-rip.
Why don't you UK guys club together and rent yourselves a VMS (I'm using an outfit in Manchester for work purposes for only $6 a month). Convert that into a "HamGate" and then VPN to it. Problem solved.
Access to it is via either a VPN client running on the BBS device, or a small sub $25 router ahead of the BBS device.
Back when I ran GB7TVG the UK IP coordinator was a bloke called Paul Taylor, G1PLT . Is it still her? Maybe you could work with the coordinator to make a "HamGate" happen?
Alan
I have the following
IPGATEWAY Adapter eth0 44ENCAP 192.168.1.100 <router mac addrr> IPADDR ****
Obviously replace your 44 net address and mask with your allocated ones.? The 100 address is configured as the dmz IP in my ISP router. Which BPQ then used for 44 traffic including the broadcasts
73 Steve?
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Re: Packet BBS using 44 network
Why do you want to use 44 addresses?
Why do you want to use to BPQ to give access to 44 addresses?
73, John
On 02/04/2025 15:54, Alan wrote:
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Hi Danny,
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? Thank you for your support, No there is no 44 pointing to
ISP
? That why I got encap.txt but I could not find a way to
attach them to the network card
? There is a lot I don't understand about using the 44
address how they play a part with bpq
? ?or in fact the standard lan network
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All the best from Alan & Thanks
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Doug VE1LG
Jeremy Pierce
Jeff KP3FT
Mark Phillips
N3MEL - Glenn