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Re: Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

 

There are no credentials or keys for axudp/tcp mapping.
Its down to the sysop to allow the udp/tcp traffic. And then add to the bpq32.cfg as a link partner.

73
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2024, 21:24 Chuck Gelm via , <nc8q-aredn=[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/24/24 11:40, Gary - K7EK via wrote:
With AUTOADDMAP active, unknown non ham entities can? gain access to what's supposed to be a closed network.

Hi, Gary:

Unknown to me, but not unknown to Matt.
Matt issues a credential/key for access.
Access is not 'open'.
I think.

73, Chuck


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Re: Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

 

On 8/24/24 16:43, John G8BPQ wrote:
You shouldn't have AUTOADDMAP on any port exposed to the internet. You can have more than one AXIP port so long as they use different UDP ports.

73, John
Hi, John:

I think I will add an additional AXIP port for the 1 neighbor not in Matt's network.
Thanks.

73, Chuck


Re: Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

 

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On 8/24/24 11:40, Gary - K7EK via groups.io wrote:
With AUTOADDMAP active, unknown non ham entities can? gain access to what's supposed to be a closed network.

Hi, Gary:

Unknown to me, but not unknown to Matt.
Matt issues a credential/key for access.
Access is not 'open'.
I think.

73, Chuck


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Re: Packets don't get acknowledged by the receiving node

 

John and Steve,
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Thanks for the pointers, John. The tcp KISS connection worked just fine after I changed that one ip address and got rid of the KISSoptions. I'm new to the concept of ports and ip addresses, so it's good to have opportunities to learn. Thanks guys
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73,
Matt


Connecting as a client with QtTermTCP

 

Hey everybody,
After adjusting and trying new things, I finally was able to access my node with my other radio and use the irc and browse the web without losing my connection. Now I'm trying to perfect my node. I'm finding that my node doesn't want to connect with other nodes as a client when it's in AGW mode (direwolf doesn't register that it's (supposed to be) sending anthing), but it does when it's in KISS mode (though, I must note that I read somewhere today that Linbpq isn't at its best as a client program.) That said, it only wants to play nice with client nodes when it's in AGW mode, but not in KISS mode when many lines of throughput are involved.?
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So, I have a conundrum.. but, I read that you should use the client program if you want to make connections as a client. (Maybe QtTermTCP for Linux?)?
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How is QtTermTCP supposed to be used? Do you put it on the node machine and then it does the connecting when you want to be a client? Or are you supposed to install it on another machine so that you can use it for remote control? If the latter, would it have the benefits that I have seen from both KISS and AGW?


Re: Packets don't get acknowledged by the receiving node

 

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127.0.0.1 can only be used for connections within the same machine and one end of a KISS TCP connection must be set up to listen for connections and the other end to connect. So one (the listener) needs a IP address of 0.0.0.0 and the other the IP address of the listening machine.

You have defined an inconsistent set of KISS options. For a tcp link you shouldn't have any KISSOPTIONS. With a real TNC you should use ACKMODE, but only if the TNC is known to support it. QtSoundmodem and BPQKISS do and Direwolf (unless patched) doesn't. Kantronics TNCs can be configured to support it.

73,
John

On 26/08/2024 06:43, reede7376 via groups.io wrote:

I tried the config that they showed on the page for kiss tcp connections, with both computers setup on the same wlan. I used 127.0.0.1 as the ip address in computer 1's config and computer 1's ip address on the network as the ip address in computer 2's config. Both computers were set to port 8100 (which was not previously occupied.) It didn't work, but I was able to get it to work VERY well in AGW mode with Paracon as the client. I was able to install PE1RRR's web browser and load 70+ line web pages with it, so it's working great now.
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Did it sound like I set it up right for the kiss tcp connection? I have attached the client's config file. That said, I think I recently read on here somewhere that Linbpq nodes don't work very well as clients.
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Re: Packets don't get acknowledged by the receiving node

 

I tried the config that they showed on the page for kiss tcp connections, with both computers setup on the same wlan. I used 127.0.0.1 as the ip address in computer 1's config and computer 1's ip address on the network as the ip address in computer 2's config. Both computers were set to port 8100 (which was not previously occupied.) It didn't work, but I was able to get it to work VERY well in AGW mode with Paracon as the client. I was able to install PE1RRR's web browser and load 70+ line web pages with it, so it's working great now.
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Did it sound like I set it up right for the kiss tcp connection? I have attached the client's config file. That said, I think I recently read on here somewhere that Linbpq nodes don't work very well as clients.
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Re: Building with libminiupnpc 2.2.8

 

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I'll see if I can determine which version is installed and change the call accordingly.

UPNP allows bpq to open the ports you need through your router. I'd be reluctant to remove the facility.

73, John


On 25/08/2024 13:06, Dave Hibberd wrote:

Does upnp do anything major in bpq? Is it safe to exclude from builds in the future or will that impact functionality at all?
Starting with Ubuntu 24.10 this will impact anyone trying to build, and Fedora's lagging behind a little bit but they'll catch up soon I'm sure!

Cheers,

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On Sun, 18 Aug 2024, at 2:06 AM, Dave Hibberd wrote:
Hi there,
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libminiupnpc has been updated and now UPNP_GetValidIGD() requires another argument - you can see the change and new definition on Github here:
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This is what's being shipped in debian unstable/testing, so it's going to filter down to other systems soon and is preventing me from building packages for the repo.
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This has impact on upnp.c only (so far).
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It builds for bookworm fine still, as that version won't change for the life of the distro!



Re: Building with libminiupnpc 2.2.8

 

Does upnp do anything major in bpq? Is it safe to exclude from builds in the future or will that impact functionality at all?
Starting with Ubuntu 24.10 this will impact anyone trying to build, and Fedora's lagging behind a little bit but they'll catch up soon I'm sure!

Cheers,

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? Debian Developer
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On Sun, 18 Aug 2024, at 2:06 AM, Dave Hibberd wrote:
Hi there,
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libminiupnpc has been updated and now UPNP_GetValidIGD() requires another argument - you can see the change and new definition on Github here:
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This is what's being shipped in debian unstable/testing, so it's going to filter down to other systems soon and is preventing me from building packages for the repo.
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This has impact on upnp.c only (so far).
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It builds for bookworm fine still, as that version won't change for the life of the distro!


Re: Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

 

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You shouldn't have AUTOADDMAP on any port exposed to the internet. You can have more than one AXIP port so long as they use different UDP ports.

73, John

On 24/08/2024 11:56, Chuck Gelm wrote:

On 8/24/24 05:28, Jerry Kutche wrote:
Do you have individual MAP statements to each desired link and do those desired stations have your MAP info ?

AUTOADDMAP Can be dangerous.. or at least yield undesirable links. 

Hi, Jerry:

AFAIK: No, 1 is an individual MAP line. Others are via a network broadcast.

AFAIK:
Each member of the AXUDP network has a credential and a key.
The network is managed by Matt KB8UVN.
I trust Matt.
Ergo, I trust AUTOADDMAP on this network.

Perhaps I should have an additional PORT for the 1 AXUDP neighbor that is not 'in-network'.

:-|

73, Chuck



Re: Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

 

That's why you should always know your linking partner, what their software
is, what their capabilities are and making sure that a solid AXIP connection
exists between both of you. The OSI 7 layer model teaches us what takes
precedence, namely physical layer, data link layer, network layer, etc
way before the application layer (last).



Each of us needs to understand this and not delegate it to someone upstream.
You also need to think about your own connectivity, access and security.
Especially since we are supposed to be a closed system of amateur radio
networking.

On 8/24/2024 11:40 AM, Gary - K7EK via groups.io wrote:
That being the case, we have a serious security problem. With AUTOADDMAP active, unknown non ham entities can? gain access to what's supposed to be a closed network. It's like opening the border. Anyone and everyone will be able to waltz in unhindered. That was recently experienced here when I made the mistake of activating AUTOADDMAP. What was reportedly some sort of European CB type node gained direct access to my system, and I to theirs. That is a non starter and will not end well if left uncontrolled.? It's advisable to NOT enable AUTOADDMAP.
My system seems to (mostly)? work just fine without it.
However, in consideration of the above, I wonder if not running AUTOADDMAP could be the reason for some AXIP/BBS partners using DDNS.NET not being accessible? I've lost at least two AXIP/BBS partners who utilize DDNS.NET in that they are simply not reachable. They may resolve to an IP address but just don't respond. There's no route.? It's been reported that they see me on their end, but there is no connectivity. A route to them never or rarely appears on my end. If a route appears, it is dead/unresponsive. They have my correct MAP information entered on their end, and I theirs. My solution was to dump DDNS.NET and replace it with DYNU/FREEDDNS.ORG. That works well for me. DDNS.NET must be eliminated on both ends just to be sure.
Best regards,
Gary, K7EK
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On Aug 24, 2024, at 05:22, Chuck Gelm <nc8q-aredn@... <mailto:nc8q-aredn@...>> wrote:
On 8/23/24 16:41, John G8BPQ wrote:
If you are talking about AUTOADDMAP that is not needed.
73, John
On 23/08/2024 20:52, Chuck Gelm wrote:
If I understand, this is necessary for AXUDP links to
function as
intended.
73, Chuck
Hi, John:
Thanks.
I want to get you and Matt KB8UVN chatting about this.
When I commented my AUTOADDMAP, I lost all links.
When I re-enabled AUTOADDMAP I got my links back.
I will send you a copy of Matt's recent email to me
containing an explanation of the protocol in use.
vy73, Chuck
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Re: Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

 

That being the case, we have a serious security problem. With AUTOADDMAP active, unknown non ham entities can? gain access to what's supposed to be a closed network. It's like opening the border. Anyone and everyone will be able to waltz in unhindered. That was recently experienced here when I made the mistake of activating AUTOADDMAP. What was reportedly some sort of European CB type node gained direct access to my system, and I to theirs. That is a non starter and will not end well if left uncontrolled.? It's advisable to NOT enable AUTOADDMAP.
My system seems to (mostly)? work just fine without it.

However, in consideration of the above, I wonder if not running AUTOADDMAP could be the reason for some AXIP/BBS partners using DDNS.NET not being accessible? I've lost at least two AXIP/BBS partners who utilize DDNS.NET in that they are simply not reachable. They may resolve to an IP address but just don't respond. There's no route.? It's been reported that they see me on their end, but there is no connectivity. A route to them never or rarely appears on my end. If a route appears, it is dead/unresponsive. They have my correct MAP information entered on their end, and I theirs. My solution was to dump DDNS.NET and replace it with DYNU/FREEDDNS.ORG. That works well for me. DDNS.NET must be eliminated on both ends just to be sure.


Best regards,

Gary, K7EK

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On Aug 24, 2024, at 05:22, Chuck Gelm <nc8q-aredn@...> wrote:

On 8/23/24 16:41, John G8BPQ wrote:
If you are talking about AUTOADDMAP that is not needed.

73, John

On 23/08/2024 20:52, Chuck Gelm wrote:
If I understand, this is necessary for AXUDP links to function as
intended.
73, Chuck

Hi, John:

Thanks.
I want to get you and Matt KB8UVN chatting about this.
When I commented my AUTOADDMAP, I lost all links.
When I re-enabled AUTOADDMAP I got my links back.
I will send you a copy of Matt's recent email to me
containing an explanation of the protocol in use.

vy73, Chuck







Re: Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

 

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On 8/24/24 05:28, Jerry Kutche wrote:
Do you have individual MAP statements to each desired link and do those desired stations have your MAP info ?

AUTOADDMAP Can be dangerous.. or at least yield undesirable links. 

Hi, Jerry:

AFAIK: No, 1 is an individual MAP line. Others are via a network broadcast.

AFAIK:
Each member of the AXUDP network has a credential and a key.
The network is managed by Matt KB8UVN.
I trust Matt.
Ergo, I trust AUTOADDMAP on this network.

Perhaps I should have an additional PORT for the 1 AXUDP neighbor that is not 'in-network'.

:-|

73, Chuck


Re: Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

 

Do you have individual MAP statements to each desired link and do those desired stations have your MAP info ?

AUTOADDMAP Can be dangerous.. or at least yield undesirable links.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chuck Gelm
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [bpq32] Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

On 8/23/24 16:41, John G8BPQ wrote:
If you are talking about AUTOADDMAP that is not needed.

73, John

On 23/08/2024 20:52, Chuck Gelm wrote:
If I understand, this is necessary for AXUDP links to function as
intended.
73, Chuck
Hi, John:

Thanks.
I want to get you and Matt KB8UVN chatting about this.
When I commented my AUTOADDMAP, I lost all links.
When I re-enabled AUTOADDMAP I got my links back.
I will send you a copy of Matt's recent email to me containing an explanation of the protocol in use.

vy73, Chuck


Re: Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

 

On 8/23/24 16:41, John G8BPQ wrote:
If you are talking about AUTOADDMAP that is not needed.

73, John

On 23/08/2024 20:52, Chuck Gelm wrote:
If I understand, this is necessary for AXUDP links to function as intended.
73, Chuck
Hi, John:

Thanks.
I want to get you and Matt KB8UVN chatting about this.
When I commented my AUTOADDMAP, I lost all links.
When I re-enabled AUTOADDMAP I got my links back.
I will send you a copy of Matt's recent email to me
containing an explanation of the protocol in use.

vy73, Chuck


Re: Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

 

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If you are talking about AUTOADDMAP that is not needed.

73, John

On 23/08/2024 20:52, Chuck Gelm wrote:

If I understand, this is necessary for AXUDP links to function as intended.
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73, Chuck
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Re: Unidentified node appeared on AXIP

 

If I understand, this is necessary for AXUDP links to function as intended.
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73, Chuck
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Re: Connection timer for a packet port

 

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If it is a user link then activity from that user. If it is a node-node link then any activity on the link.

73,
John

On 23/08/2024 14:30, dtmenges@... via groups.io wrote:

That is what I thought. I had checked IDLETIME setting before I took the system to the tower and thought it was working as you described. I'll double check on what I think happened.
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I may be confussed. Is the timer reset on any activity from any user?
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Dave Menges


Re: Connection timer for a packet port

 

That is what I thought. I had checked IDLETIME setting before I took the system to the tower and thought it was working as you described. I'll double check on what I think happened.
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I may be confussed. Is the timer reset on any activity from any user?
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Dave Menges


Re: Connection timer for a packet port

 

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KISS ports use ax.25 so IDLETIME will apply.

The value configured by IDLETIME is also used as an? idle session time limit, so will apply to other port times as well.

73,
John

On 20/08/2024 18:09, dtmenges@... via groups.io wrote:

I have a LinBPQ system running with just Direwolf and a KISS connection on the same Pi. I thought that by using SIMPLE in the config file I would invoke a 15 minute session timer with ?IDLETIME. But, I see that IDLETIME is just for ax.25 Level 2 Parameters. Is there a way to set a session time for a packet port?
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Dave Menges
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