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U3A Zoom Course R09, Session 1 of Term 3; When did Jesus know?

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Ray All Messages By This Member #254 Hi Jocelyn, To answer your question directly, the Bible doesn't state when Jesus knew that He was God or if, indeed, there was ever a time when He did not know it or was unaware of it. What is in the New Testament is that He was aware of it by the time that He was 12 years old in Jerusalem.?? What is also in the Bible is John 8:38, where the adult Jesus was fully knowledgeable about who He was: "Very truly I tell you, ... before Abraham was, I am!" Luke 2:40 addresses the child Jesus before the family went to Jerusalem, "And the Child grew and became strong in spirit,?filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him."? Many take this to cover His life from infancy up to Age 12. Going further back in His life, numerous people at His birth and soon thereafter acknowledged Jesus as special even as the Archangel Gabriel has told Mary.? So a good question would be, "when did Mary know that Jesus was the Son of God?"? The biblical answer to that would be that she would have known even from before His birth.? He was even named Immanuel ("God with us") in Hebrew.? Why is this important??? Jesus was raised in a very devout household.? Luke 2:41-42 tells us that His family made pilgrimages to Jerusalem every year for the feasts of Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread.??In those days the mothers were responsible for the religious training of their children up to Age 12. Both parents were miraculously (Gabriel) aware of Jesus's status from His conception. He would naturally have had some very profound conversations with His parents when growing up. Okay, that's the New Testament, but is there something in the Old Testament as well? If you read Psalm 69, a well quoted Messianic Psalm in the New Testament, verses 5-16 are very interesting, because they can be taken as the cries of a devout child who doesn't fit in with others because he is different.? Why is He different?? Verse 9 answers, "Because zeal for Your house has eaten me up. And the reproaches of those who reproach You have fallen on me."? This verse is actually quoted in this week's lesson on the Gospel of John. Verse 12 is very sad, but also fits. "Those who sit in the gate [the Elders] speak against me, And I am the song of the drunkards."? Would this fit a young boy whom his village considered to be illegitimate, to be despised by both the high and the low? To tie all this rambling answer together, our study of the Gospel of John will reveal that the entire life of Jesus Christ played out according to a timeline established by the Father.? Jesus was aware of the timeline and followed it to the letter.? There is nothing to contradict the view that God's timeline has been from everlasting to everlasting. Thanks for an interesting question, Jocelyn. Blessings, Ray U3A Tutor R09 toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Wednesday, 21 July 2021, 11:41:28 am AEST, Jocelyn Swanston <jocelynswanston@...> wrote: From: Jocelyn Swanston <jocelynswanston@...> Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2021 11:40 AM To: Ray Sarlin <ray.sarlin@...> Subject: Re: [b4uc] U3A Zoom Course R09, Session 1 of Term 3 ? Dear Ray, Thank you very much your most interesting lecture and also for the letter and reply to Merlene. Do you have an opinion about how Jesus first understood Himself to be God incarnate ? The? general opinion seems to be when He went with Mary and Joseph to Jerusalem and appeared to be lost on the way home. He was? of course speaking to the great ones about things they had never heard before. Looking forward very much to your lecture tomorrow, God's blessings, Jocelyn Swanston

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