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Hi Mandy, Merlene, and everyone. Speaking of names... I was responding to an email from my sister Polly Anne who lives on the Navajo Reservation which commented on the minuscule amount of Asian in my DNA.? She asked, tongue in cheek, "Can we say we are people of colour because we are Asian?? Dat's my yoke.? Do you remember what [our Finnish paternal grandmother] Anni used to say "It toook me looong time to learn to said JJJam [pronounced yam], and den you come up wit Yelly." My sister's name means one who is excessively optimistic, which doesn't suit her at all.? She got the name as a hand-me-down from the nickname of our maternal grandmother Selma, which means "helmet of God" or "protected by God"; a no-nonsense pioneer one-room schoolteacher whose name fit like a glove. You are probably aware that I tend to write lengthy replies, but some of you may be able to relate this one to our study of Esther.  ? I had written Polly that my DNA showed 0.9% Asian, so I took an additional Y-DNA test (father's lineage) to check out a scientific paper that I come across and, bingo, my Y-DNA revealed a direct patrilineal linkage with Genghis Khan through his No. 1 son Jochi Khan (out of 3,000 sons) and his No. 1 grandson Batu Khan.? So that's the Asian bit.Anyway, I answered Polly's jocular question by displaying my complete lack of humour: "The maternal
ancestry (mitochondrial DNA or mtDNA) shows nothing from Asia at all, but lists
one match (out of over 6,000) as 'Native American.'? I haven't a clue how that got
there, because Aili [Polly's daughter] doesn't show up in the database.? There are some
Swedish/Norweigian hereditary matches with Spanish surnames Jimenez, Martinez,
Pediera, and Carranza as well as a wildcard Nezamutdinov thrown in for good
measure.? Mr. Carranza has a great grandmother with the interesting name
'Nannie Humble.'? Anyway, chalk this up as a great mystery, but
it DOES mean that we have more Native American blood in us than does
Fauxcohantus Elizabeth Warren; somewhere there is AT LEAST one such relative." Then I had a great idea, which included reflection on the meanings of names: "You know, Polly,
what you COULD do if you were interested would be to document what you remember
about your nannie in Mescalero [New Mexico, capital of the Mescalero Apache Reservation where we lived until I was 6 years old], who I seem to remember was Geronimo's youngest
wife.? Did you know that Geronimo's birth name was Goyakla ("to
yawn").? No one seems to know for certain when or where he got the
name Geronimo or what it means.? The best tradition seems to be that he
developed his life-long hatred of Mexicans when as a young warrior his wife and three babies were slaughtered by Mexican Colonel Jose Maria Carrasco
of Sonora while he was away raiding.? This resulted in his legendary no-holds-barred
loathing of Mexicans which manifest itself in an almost demonic super-human
energy when battling them.? Apparently, the story goes, some Mexican
survivors heard their peers who were being slaughtered scream "Geronimo"
and that became his name.? The thought is that they were crying out the
name of St. Jerome in their terror and anguish (perhaps like "Jerome,
Noooo!"). "One of Geronimo's nine wives was Mescalero Apache, Ih-tedda, and he permitted her to return from his captivity in Fort Sill, Oklahoma to Mescalero with their two children Robbie and Lena,
his only known surviving children.? However, he had at least two wives
after her, Sousche (married 25 Dec 1905) and Azul (1850-1934).?
"Per the internet, Harlan
Geronimo (b. 1947) of Mescalero is Geronimo's great-grandson by Geronimo's wife
"Kate", who died in 1954.? None of Geronimo's nine wives had an
Indian name that sounds anything like "Kate", so my guess would be
that Ih-tedda took on the name Kate as an English name.? That would make
Harlan the grandson of either Robert or Lena.? Lena had a daughter Falling
Cloud Geronimo who married Nightwolf Stormcloud, a grandson of Chief
Joseph [another very famous Indian chief who fought the U.S. Army but escaped into Canada].? Their son married a daughter of David and Dorothy McKinney but
died without issue.? That would seem to make Robert (1894-1966) the
grandfather of Harlan.? He had a son Robert L. Geronimo Jr. (1931- ) with
one of his three wives/partners Juanita Rodriguez (1902-1939) and also another son Albert (b. c.1939- ).? So that's it from a cursory search." So that's it.? I rather like the name "Nightwolf" but would have a little trouble with a wife named Falling Cloud Stormcloud.? Still, I guess that's a bit better than being named Cumulonimbus, the English equivalent of Stormcloud. By the way, I sent my sister a photograph of Geronimo with Ih-tedda, as well as one of Lena and one of Robert.? They were all extremely handsome and distinguished-looking people.? If you read this far, you are now party to knowledge that very few in this world possess.? Use it wisely. Blessings, Ray
On Friday, 14 August 2020, 04:41:20 pm AEST, Mandy <mandyflynn01@...> wrote:
Hi there Marlene I have a son David also and I did name him because of the meaning of the name? and Bible reference. Small world!! My daughter is Lisa shory? name for Elizabeth.? See you next week. Take care Mandy
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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From: Merlene <merlene@...>
Date: 13/8/20 3:08 pm (GMT+10:00)
Subject: [b4uc] Names and their Meanings - Something Lighthearted!
Hi Ray and the Group,
?
Once again, thank you Ray for a very informative session this morning.? A lot of interesting history, including wars and names (again!).
?
During the last couple of weeks several email references have been made to names and their meanings – thank you to those who sent them through this Group.? Following on that thought, together with this morning’s class, how many of you considered the meanings
of names when naming your own children??? I most certainly did.
?
I was unable to have children for a couple of medical reasons.? Notwithstanding that, for a couple of years I prayed every day for a son, knowing it would take a miracle.? And it was!? and unbelievable as it was at the time, I was given a son.? I called
him David – not that I particularly liked the name – it was the MEANING – “Beloved”.? He was never to be called Dave or Davey, which he never was to this day!
His second Christian name was that of his father.
?
When my second son was born – on first glance I named him “Rod” – well actually “Rodney” for when he was a boy, knowing it would be shortened to Rod when he was adult.? And Rod has always been a “rod and staff” for me.? No prizes for guessing his second
Christian name:? “John” – with all its Biblical inferences.
?
The third son was named Stephen (for similar reasons as above)
His second Christian name was that of my father.
?
My own name:? Both my parents continually told me they wanted a boy, expected a boy, and couldn’t accept the fact I was a girl when I popped out.? They had long chosen a name for me “Alan” which I have
only now looked up the meaning – “rock, or harmony”.? Funny, as I have always strived for harmony in all relationships!?
Both parents told me I was nameless for more than a week before they could decide on a name for a Girl!
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I’m sure some of the group will have equally interesting stories to tell how you were named and whether or not you named your children for any special meaning or reason.? Anyone like to share?
?
Cheers,
Merlene
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From: Ray via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [b4uc] Invitation to U3A R09 What the Bible is about - a non-religious study of the Bible #Term3 #Esther
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Re: Names and their Meanings - Something Lighthearted!
开云体育Hi Mandy,
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Thanks for your email.? My name is MERLENE,? not
MARLENE.? I HATE the name MArlene, but
don’t worry a lot of people get it wrong – also I think the automatic spelling
checker seems to always change the “E” to an “A”.
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Thanks for your response.? Pleased to know that others give serious
thoughts to their children’s names.
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Cheers,
Merlene
? From: Mandy
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [b4uc] Names and their Meanings - Something
Lighthearted! ?
Hi there Marlene I have a son David also and I did name him because of the
meaning of the name? and Bible reference. Small world!! My daughter is Lisa
shory? name for Elizabeth.? See you next week. Take care Mandy
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From: Merlene <merlene@...>
Date: 13/8/20 3:08 pm (GMT+10:00)
Subject: [b4uc] Names and their Meanings - Something Lighthearted!
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Hi Ray and the Group,
?
Once again, thank you Ray for a very informative session this
morning.? A lot of interesting history, including wars and names
(again!).
?
During the last couple of weeks several email references have been made to
names and their meanings – thank you to those who sent them through this
Group.? Following on that thought, together with this morning’s class, how
many of you considered the meanings of names when naming your own
children??? I most certainly did.
?
I was unable to have children for a couple of medical reasons.?
Notwithstanding that, for a couple of years I prayed every day for a son,
knowing it would take a miracle.? And it was!? and unbelievable as it
was at the time, I was given a son.? I called him David – not that I
particularly liked the name – it was the MEANING – “Beloved”.? He
was never to be called Dave or Davey, which he never was to this day!
His second Christian name was that of his father.
?
When my second son was born – on first glance I named him “Rod” – well
actually “Rodney” for when he was a boy, knowing it would be shortened to Rod
when he was adult.? And Rod has always been a “rod and staff” for me.?
No prizes for guessing his second Christian name:? “John” – with all its
Biblical inferences.
?
The third son was named Stephen (for similar reasons as above)
His second Christian name was that of my father.
?
My own name:? Both my parents continually told me they wanted a boy,
expected a boy, and couldn’t accept the fact I was a girl when I popped
out.? They had long chosen a name for me “Alan” which I have only
now looked up the meaning – “rock, or harmony”.? Funny, as I have
always strived for harmony in all relationships!?
Both parents told me I was nameless for more than a week before they could
decide on a name for a Girl!
?
I’m sure some of the group will have equally interesting stories to tell
how you were named and whether or not you named your children for any special
meaning or reason.? Anyone like to share?
?
Cheers,
Merlene
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From: Ray via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:07 AM
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Re: #esther Who was King in Esther chapter 1 ?
#esther
Gary Owen
Thank you Ray I didn't realise that this was the second invasion, and Darius 1 was dead by then. (Although Darius 2 had already been born to Xerxes) Gary On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 10:32, Ray via <ray.sarlin=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: #esther Who was King in Esther chapter 1 ?
#esther
Hi Gary, Thanks for the email.? What a great example of why the Rabbis say that "Coincidence is not a kosher word."  Regarding Darius, your facts are generally correct.? The first invasion of Greece by Darius was defeated at Marathon in 490 BC, some ten years before the events in the book of Esther.? But the preparations in the book of Esther were for the second invasion of Greece.??The second invasion of Greece led by Darius' son Xerxes I, a male lead of the book of Esther, occurred 10 years later (480 BC), between the 1st and 2nd chapters of Esther. Here are the details with some relevant background, which you may find interesting. The Battle of Marathon in 490 BC was indeed where the cobbled together army of ten generals (including?Miltiades) defeated the first Persian invasion led by King Darius. This invasion was a response by Darius to the Ionian Revolt (499-493 BC) led by the Ionian city-state of Ephesus (and participated in by other Asia Minor cities).? A force of Greeks sent from Athens and Eretria to support the Ionian city-states captured and burned as far inland as Sardis before Darius' Persian Army drove them back and the Ionian Revolt was suppressed. Darius was furious and vowed to burn Athen and Eretria.? Hence the first Persian invasion in the Greco-Persian wars was launched seven years later in 490 BC, only to die on the shores of Marathon. Recognizing that he needed a larger force than his mere 126,000 (estimated) men and 800 or 900 ships to conquer Greece, Darius set about planning the second invasion where he, not Datus, would command.? However, after three years of preparation, he was not only distracted by a revolt in Egypt in 486 BC that derailed the second invasion of Greece, but fell ill and died.? After a brief succession tussle with his elder half-brother Artobarxanes (born before Darius rose to power), the eldest son from Darius' marriage to Cyrus the Great's daughter Atossa, Xerxes, was instead crowned.? The great court presence of Atossa significantly influenced her son Xerxes being enthroned as Ahasuerus (the "Lion-King" or king of kings). Atossa (which means "skilled" or "learned") was an interesting character.? Not only was she Cyrus the Great's daughter, she had first married her brother Cambyses II (who was a weak and possibly insane king of kings who also married her (their) sister Roxanne).? Note that incest was then illegal.? Anyway, after Cambyses II was murdered, committed suicide, or died of an infected cut (choose one or more of the above) enroute to quell rebellious Egyptians in 522 BC, the 28-year old queen married Darius I after he defeated her younger brother Smerdis to claim the Achaemenid throne. By the way, per the historian Herodotus, Atossa was a survivor of inflammatory breast cancer, when a Greek slave Democedes excised a bleeding tumor in her breast. Xerxes I immediately proceeded to consolidate his power by undertaking the 3-4 year planning of the second invasion of Greece that?culminated in the six month-long planning conference in Esther Chapter 1 and?the final seven day "blowout" that resulted in Queen Vashti's dethronement in 480 BC. Xerxes I then led his 1.6 - 2 million man army with its 1,200 or so ships off on the second invasion of Greece, cheered on by his mum.? His great army marched south Thrace, Macedonia and Thessaly, picking up strength. After initial victories in August 480 BC at Thermopylae and Artemisium (sea), he torched Athens in September (fulfilling his father Darius' pledge), but his navy was soundly defeated at the Battle of Salamis, which he watched from the land. Finally appreciating that he wouldn't have a swift victory after the outnumbered Greeks destroyed his navy at Salamis (as well as the massive Persian casualties at the Battle of Thermopylae), Xerxes turned command of his army over and returned to Susa.? If he wasn't dispirited then, he would have been when his remaining army in Greece was decimated at the Battles of Plataea (army) and Mycale (navy). We now come to Chapter 2 in the book of Esther, with both the mood and coffers of King Xerxes I running on empty and the king unable to console himself with the charms of the beautiful Vashti (which means "beautiful") because of a drunken and stupid decree which he signified before running off to war but, because of the Law of the Medes and Persians, can't undo.?? What's a guy to do? Blessings, Ray
On Friday, 14 August 2020, 08:28:26 am AEST, Gary Owen <owen.gary.j@...> wrote:
Hi Ray I was astounded that early yesterday morning I was reading about Miltiades (leader of the Athenians and Plataeans who destroyed the much larger Persion force in 490BC),? and WHAM - you brought up his name as background to the book of Esther. But for me this raised a point. It is reliably recorded that the Persian General Datis was in charge of their land forces, but that King Darius was also at the Plains of Marathon to observe his troops in battle. So, if Esther chapter 1 takes place during the final preparations for this attack, was Darius king at that time? Eshter chapter one seems to say it was Xerxes. OR Is the term "King" here being used as a more generic title? Thank you Gary O |
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Re: Names and their Meanings - Something Lighthearted!
Hi Merlene,? I'll bite, since I may be guilty in some way for this request. First off, I don’t think that
my parents had any awareness of the underlying meaning of my given names.? Both given names were stolen from identifiable people.? However, there is a slight irony.
This minuscule sample leads to speculation that perhaps all boy’s
names mean the same thing. Blessings, Ray
On Thursday, 13 August 2020, 03:08:54 pm AEST, Merlene <merlene@...> wrote:
Hi Ray and the Group,
?
Once again, thank you Ray for a very informative session this
morning.? A lot of interesting history, including wars and names
(again!).
?
During the last couple of weeks several email references have been made to
names and their meanings – thank you to those who sent them through this
Group.? Following on that thought, together with this morning’s class, how
many of you considered the meanings of names when naming your own
children??? I most certainly did.
?
I was unable to have children for a couple of medical reasons.?
Notwithstanding that, for a couple of years I prayed every day for a son,
knowing it would take a miracle.? And it was!? and unbelievable as it
was at the time, I was given a son.? I called him David – not that I
particularly liked the name – it was the MEANING – “Beloved”.? He
was never to be called Dave or Davey, which he never was to this day!
His second Christian name was that of his father.
?
When my second son was born – on first glance I named him “Rod” – well
actually “Rodney” for when he was a boy, knowing it would be shortened to Rod
when he was adult.? And Rod has always been a “rod and staff” for me.?
No prizes for guessing his second Christian name:? “John” – with all its
Biblical inferences.
?
The third son was named Stephen (for similar reasons as above)
His second Christian name was that of my father.
?
My own name:? Both my parents continually told me they wanted a boy,
expected a boy, and couldn’t accept the fact I was a girl when I popped
out.? They had long chosen a name for me “Alan” which I have only
now looked up the meaning – “rock, or harmony”.? Funny, as I have
always strived for harmony in all relationships!?
Both parents told me I was nameless for more than a week before they could
decide on a name for a Girl!
?
I’m sure some of the group will have equally interesting stories to tell
how you were named and whether or not you named your children for any special
meaning or reason.? Anyone like to share?
?
Cheers,
Merlene
?
? From: Ray via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [b4uc] Invitation to U3A R09 What the Bible is about -
a non-religious study of the Bible #Term3 #Esther ?
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Names and their Meanings - Something Lighthearted!
开云体育Hi Ray and the Group,
?
Once again, thank you Ray for a very informative session this
morning.? A lot of interesting history, including wars and names
(again!).
?
During the last couple of weeks several email references have been made to
names and their meanings – thank you to those who sent them through this
Group.? Following on that thought, together with this morning’s class, how
many of you considered the meanings of names when naming your own
children??? I most certainly did.
?
I was unable to have children for a couple of medical reasons.?
Notwithstanding that, for a couple of years I prayed every day for a son,
knowing it would take a miracle.? And it was!? and unbelievable as it
was at the time, I was given a son.? I called him David – not that I
particularly liked the name – it was the MEANING – “Beloved”.? He
was never to be called Dave or Davey, which he never was to this day!
His second Christian name was that of his father.
?
When my second son was born – on first glance I named him “Rod” – well
actually “Rodney” for when he was a boy, knowing it would be shortened to Rod
when he was adult.? And Rod has always been a “rod and staff” for me.?
No prizes for guessing his second Christian name:? “John” – with all its
Biblical inferences.
?
The third son was named Stephen (for similar reasons as above)
His second Christian name was that of my father.
?
My own name:? Both my parents continually told me they wanted a boy,
expected a boy, and couldn’t accept the fact I was a girl when I popped
out.? They had long chosen a name for me “Alan” which I have only
now looked up the meaning – “rock, or harmony”.? Funny, as I have
always strived for harmony in all relationships!?
Both parents told me I was nameless for more than a week before they could
decide on a name for a Girl!
?
I’m sure some of the group will have equally interesting stories to tell
how you were named and whether or not you named your children for any special
meaning or reason.? Anyone like to share?
?
Cheers,
Merlene
?
? From: Ray via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [b4uc] Invitation to U3A R09 What the Bible is about -
a non-religious study of the Bible #Term3 #Esther ?
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Good morning, The adventure begins!? Today we start a study of the thrill-laden book of Esther. Ray Sarlin cordially invites you to a scheduled Zoom classroom session of U3A Course R09 What the Bible is about - a non-religious study of the Bible on August 13, 2020, at 11:00 AM Brisbane time.
Zoom login details are below. Blessings, Ray Join Zoom Meeting
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Re: Prayer
Hi Christine, Thank you for the information.? Linda will certainly be in my prayers. Blessings, Ray
On Tuesday, 11 August 2020, 09:31:45 am AEST, Christine <cjmcfadyen46@...> wrote:
Prayers? please for fellow R09 class friend, Linda, as she has minor surgery with hopefully a major effect.
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Re: A lengthy discussion on the Bible Name Code in Genesis 5
#ruth
开云体育Hi Ray and Fellow Student who sent this amazing email:
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Thank you both for a fascinating and factual read.?
We may not be able to “see” each other face to face, but this idea of
sharing knowledge by email more than compensates from not being able to
physically chat.? It also gives one the chance to research for oneself what
has been said through the Group in our own time at our own pace.??
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Language, its derivatives and history, is always interesting and well worth
the time to dig further.? There’s usually more to it than just knowing what
language was spoken at the time – it tells many stories of the past and
customs.
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Thanks to all for sharing ....
Merlene
? From: Ray via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 1:05 PM
Subject: [b4uc] A lengthy discussion on the Bible Name Code in
Genesis 5 #Ruth ?
G'day, everyone.
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One of the interesting emails
received after the last session on Ruth had a question about the gospel message
in the meanings of the Hebrew names in Genesis 5.? Your classmate was
commendably checking whether the message was valid, which I also did when I
first heard of it a decade ago.? Acts 17:11 (NKJV) notes that the Bereans:
"received the word with all readiness, and
searched the Scriptures daily to find out?whether these things were
so."
The entire email discussion is
posted below for anyone who is interested.? Warning: it is very long and
detailed.
Blessings,
Ray
On Friday, 7 August 2020, 08:10:29 pm AEST, ___ wrote: Thank you for the work you've put into Ruth for us, and
I'm looking forward to Esther. I've been looking at this week's notes, and I'm just pondering some questions about the genealogy you spoke about this week. I'm not a Hebrew scholar but I do have interests in language, and can read simple Koine Greek.
Enosh The same word is used in Isa 24v6? Ps 8v4? Job 28v13 to mean "man" (as in "What is man that though art mindful of him?") I can find no translations as "miserable" or "frail" etc Kenan?? The closest meaning I can find is "from Cain" Enoch also doesn't a definitive meaning Methusalah - Jewish concordance translates tis "Man of the dart (or javelin)" Lamech - I can't find any connection with "lament" It's from the Latin lamentum, but there is no suggestion to a former Hebrew meaning. The only meanings of Lamech I can find are vigourous, youthful, powerful, or wild man. Can you please tell me how you came about the meanings that you've attributed to these? Words and languages are my "thing". I'd really like to know how the other meanings are derived. I can't read Hebrew, but I did learn the alef bet some years ago, so I can understand a little. Thank you ? On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 23:08, Ray Sarlin wrote: Hi ___, Thanks for your email and for the feedback. I’m not a Hebrew scholar either, although I have taken some courses on Biblical Hebrew and Koine Greek.? I’m afraid that you’ll likely find my answers to your questions simplistic because I’m a few years away from anything that could be called serious study or academic rigor.? But you ask in good faith and that’s the way I’ll try to answer.? Rather than get in the weeds discussing proto-Sinaitic, proto-Canaanite, or proto-Hebraic inscriptions and their relationships to Egyptian or Summerian hieroglyphics, I’ll concede your bullet points and just address the names you mentioned.? God certainly knew what He was doing by having Alexander the Great spread Greek, Ptolemy Philadelphus commission the Septuagint and the Romans build roads during the Pax Romana to spread the Word. You’d be aware that Hebrew words are derived from Hebrew root words.? Addressing the relationship of words to their roots and the culture in which the words were used can aid in interpreting the meaning of biblical passages. Adam and Enos (or Enosh) are just two of many Hebrew words for “man,” which come with often subtle differences.? For example: <!--[if !supportLists]-->·???????? <!--[endif]-->Adam as the name of the first man means “red” but also is widely used to mean the singular “man,” “a man,” or “Man”.? Its root word H119 explicitly means “man” or “men”.? Adam was a created being (son of God; “ben Elohim”) while all that followed were (sons or daughters of man, “ben ‘adam” or “bath ’adam”). <!--[if !supportLists]-->·???????? <!--[endif]-->Per Gesenius’ Lexicon, "enosh" when not a proper name is generally a collective term, like covering the whole human race or the common people – hence the term “mortal”.? It comes from a primitive root H605 which means “to be weak, sickly, or frail” – again consistent with the term “mortal”.? This fits your meaning in Job (“What is (sickly, mortal) man that….”).? Enos refers to wicked men in Psalms 8:29, 56:2, and 66:12. Cainan (or kenan) comes from a root word H7064 for a fixed dwelling like a nest or chamber, so the word is given to mean “possession”.? Qeynan (????) can mean to possess and it can mean to mourn, lament or sorrow after (see Ezekiel 27:32 and Amos 8:10). ? Enoch (“dedicated”) is formed from the primitive root H2596, which means to train, dedicate, inaugurate, or discipline.? The prime meaning “to narrow” as in narrow down.? Unsurprisingly, Enoch was the first of four generations of preachers. Methuselah.? Per Matthew Henry (and elsewhere): “Methuselah signifies, he dies, or there is a dart, or, a sending forth, namely, of the deluge, which came the very year that Methuselah died. Lamech
(“conqueror?”) – “the despair” comes from the wicked life and tales of woe in of
Lamech in Genesis 4:23-24.? Not only was he apparently the first to
practice bigamy (Gen 4:19) and a murderer, but his arrogance was manifest. And
because of his sin, he complained about, “... the calamitous state of human
life. By
the entrance of sin, and the entail of the curse for sin, our condition has
become very miserable.”
(Matthew Henry again.? I haven’t referred to him, for ages.)? Perhaps
Lamech was lamenting that he didn’t speak Latin. ? It's true that some of the Hebrew words in this genealogy (and others) can be translated in many ways, most of them gibberish, but far more importantly, it's also true that the ten names from Adam to Noah can be translated as a gospel message in Genesis 5. ? BTW, God is also mentioned in Genesis 5:1, so the eleven names in the genealogy can begin, "Per God, man was appointed...." or the like if one wishes. ? So that's a fairly superficial analysis of the widely written about and discussed identification of the gospel message in Genesis 5.? Most of the meanings of names come directly from Strong's Concordance but a few names may require a Hebrew etymological dictionary.? I use the Blue Letter Bible (along with Bible Gateway and others) online because I can easily access the original languages and, in the case of Hebrew, the roots. ? Thanks again for the query, Gary.? It's great to meet someone with a love of words and language.? ? You may be interested in this "Bible Names Code" that suggests that there is a prophecy from the meanings of all 72 names from Adam to Jesus ().? I personally haven't studied it in any detail, and so would be interested in your observations should you chose to do so. ? Blessings, ? Ray On Saturday, 8 August 2020, 11:58:39 am AEST, ___ wrote: Thank you for your time and efforts Ray. I hadn't been expecting such a quick or detailed response -Thanks again. I've taken a look at an exhausting list of "codes" by GLAZERSON MATITYAHU, and am amazed at what he can make the torah say. See you on Thursday. ? On Saturday, 8 August 2020, 12:21:52 pm AEST, Ray Sarlin wrote: ? Hi ___, ? I don't know much about Glazerson, but I do tend to side with those who believe that the Bible Codes are meant to authenticate God's Word, not predict forthcoming events.? However, as Glazerson is wont to say, "But who knows." ? Glazerson would do well to remember that the biblical
punishment for a false prophet is death by stoning (Deuteronomy 13:1-5,
10).? Perhaps that's the reason he so frequently says, "But who knows."
? Blessings, ? Ray |
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A lengthy discussion on the Bible Name Code in Genesis 5
#ruth
G'day, everyone. One of the interesting emails received after the last session on Ruth had a question about the gospel message in the meanings of the Hebrew names in Genesis 5.? Your classmate was commendably checking whether the message was valid, which I also did when I first heard of it a decade ago.? Acts 17:11 (NKJV) notes that the Bereans: "received the word with all readiness, and?searched the Scriptures daily?to find out?whether these things were so." The entire email discussion is posted below for anyone who is interested.? Warning: it is very long and detailed. Blessings, Ray On Friday, 7 August 2020, 08:10:29 pm AEST, ___ wrote: Thank
you for the work you've put into Ruth for us, and I'm looking forward to
Esther. I've been looking at this week's notes, and I'm just pondering some questions about the genealogy you spoke about this week. I'm not a Hebrew scholar but I do have interests in language, and can read simple Koine Greek.
Enosh The same word is used in Isa 24v6? Ps 8v4? Job 28v13 to mean "man" (as in "What is man that though art mindful of him?") I can find no translations as "miserable" or "frail" etc Kenan ? The closest meaning I can find is "from Cain" Enoch also doesn't a definitive meaning Methusalah?- Jewish concordance translates tis "Man of the dart (or javelin)" Lamech - I can't find any connection with "lament" It's from the Latin?lamentum,?but there is no suggestion to a former Hebrew meaning. The only meanings of Lamech I can find are vigourous, youthful, powerful, or wild man. Can you please tell me how you came about the meanings that you've attributed to these? Words and languages are my "thing". I'd really like to know how the other meanings are derived. I can't read Hebrew, but I did learn the alef bet some years ago, so I can understand a little. Thank
you ? On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 23:08, Ray Sarlin wrote: Hi ___, Thanks for your email and for the feedback. I’m not a Hebrew scholar either, although I have taken some courses on Biblical Hebrew and Koine Greek.?? I’m afraid that you’ll likely find my answers to your questions simplistic because I’m a few years away from anything that could be called serious study or academic rigor.? But you ask in good faith and that’s the way I’ll try to answer.? Rather than get in the weeds discussing proto-Sinaitic, proto-Canaanite, or proto-Hebraic inscriptions and their relationships to Egyptian or Summerian hieroglyphics, I’ll concede your bullet points and just address the names you mentioned.? God certainly knew what He was doing by having Alexander the Great spread Greek, Ptolemy Philadelphus commission the Septuagint and the Romans build roads during the Pax Romana to spread the Word. You’d be aware that Hebrew words are derived from Hebrew root words.? Addressing the relationship of words to their roots and the culture in which the words were used can aid in interpreting the meaning of biblical passages. Adam and Enos (or Enosh) are just two of many Hebrew words for “man,” which come with often subtle differences.? For example: ·???????? Adam as the name of the first man means “red” but also is widely used to mean the singular “man,” “a man,” or “Man”.? Its root word H119 explicitly means “man” or “men”.? Adam was a created being (son of God; “ben Elohim”) while all that followed were (sons or daughters of man, “ben ‘adam” or “bath ’adam”). ·???????? Per Gesenius’ Lexicon, "enosh" when not a proper name is generally a collective term, like covering the whole human race or the common people – hence the term “mortal”.? It comes from a primitive root H605 which means “to be weak, sickly, or frail” – again consistent with the term “mortal”.? This fits your meaning in Job (“What is (sickly, mortal) man that….”).? Enos refers to wicked men in Psalms 8:29, 56:2, and 66:12.? Cainan (or kenan) comes from a root word H7064 for a fixed dwelling like a nest or chamber, so the word is given to mean “possession”.??Qeynan?(????)?can mean to possess and it can mean to mourn, lament or sorrow after (see Ezekiel 27:32 and Amos 8:10). ? Enoch (“dedicated”) is formed from the primitive root H2596, which means to train, dedicate, inaugurate, or discipline.? The prime meaning “to narrow” as in narrow down.? Unsurprisingly, Enoch was the first of four generations of preachers. Methuselah.? Per Matthew Henry (and elsewhere): “Methuselah?signifies,?he dies,?or?there is a dart,?or,?a sending forth,?namely, of the deluge, which came the very year that Methuselah died. Lamech
(“conqueror?”) – “the despair” comes from the wicked life and tales of woe in
of Lamech in Genesis 4:23-24.? Not only was he apparently the first to
practice bigamy (Gen 4:19) and a murderer, but his arrogance was manifest. And
because of his sin, he complained about, “... the calamitous state of human
life.?By the entrance of sin, and the
entail of the curse for sin, our condition has become very miserable.” (Matthew Henry again.? I haven’t referred to him, for
ages.)? Perhaps Lamech was lamenting that he didn’t speak Latin.? ? It's true that some of the Hebrew words in this genealogy (and others) can be translated in many ways, most of them gibberish, but far more importantly, it's also true that the ten names from Adam to Noah can be translated as a gospel message in Genesis 5. ? BTW, God is also mentioned in Genesis 5:1, so the eleven names in the genealogy can begin, "Per God, man was appointed...." or the like if one wishes. ? So that's a fairly superficial analysis of the widely written about and discussed identification of the gospel message in Genesis 5.? Most of the meanings of names come directly from Strong's Concordance but a few names may require a Hebrew etymological dictionary.? I use the?Blue Letter Bible (along with Bible Gateway and others) online because I can easily access the original languages and, in the case of Hebrew, the roots.? ? Thanks again for the query, Gary.? It's great to meet someone with a love of words and language.?? ? You may be interested in this "Bible Names Code" that suggests that there is a prophecy from the meanings of all 72 names from Adam to Jesus ().? I personally haven't studied it in any detail, and so would be interested in your observations should you chose to do so. ? Blessings, ? Ray On Saturday, 8 August 2020, 11:58:39 am AEST, ___ wrote: Thank you for your time and efforts Ray. I hadn't been expecting such a quick or detailed response -Thanks again. I've taken a look at an exhausting list of "codes" by?GLAZERSON MATITYAHU, and am amazed at what he can make the torah say. See you on Thursday. ? On Saturday, 8 August 2020, 12:21:52 pm AEST, Ray Sarlin wrote:
? Hi ___, ? I don't know much about Glazerson, but I do tend to side with those who believe that the Bible Codes are meant to authenticate God's Word, not predict forthcoming events.? However, as Glazerson is wont to say, "But who knows." ? Glazerson
would do well to remember that the biblical punishment for a false prophet is
death by stoning (Deuteronomy 13:1-5, 10).? Perhaps that's the reason he
so frequently says, "But who knows."? ? Blessings, ? Ray |
Ray
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