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The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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Stan,
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I would go with a #3, why compound the errors?
?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]>
On Behalf Of Stan Gorodenski
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center
?
The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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??? ??? I concur , best to get rid of as many variables that ya
can
??? ??? animal
On 2/6/2019 1:01 PM, Kurt Sierens
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Stan,
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I would go with a #3, why compound the
errors?
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From: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Stan Gorodenski
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center
?
The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve
is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining
and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center
and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve.
Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the
taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the
taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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Short answer is “yes”.? A 3MT dead center will work fine in the spindle. ? Robert Downs ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Gorodenski
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 14:46
To: [email protected]
Subject: [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center? The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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A Morse #3 solid center or a Morse #2 solid center in a Morse #3 sleeve will fit your headstock spindle equally well. ?I’d go with the sleeve, though, for several reasons.
The #2 centers are cheaper.
As your tailstock ram is a Morse #2 taper, the sleeve will allow you to use your tooling in either spot. ?And it will allow you to make tooling that will fit your tailstock.
The sleeve will allow you to mount your tailstock centers in your headstock for the purpose of truing them up, which has to be done occasionally.
Will the sleeve introduce inaccuracy? ?Not really - any decent sleeve will be much more accurate than you will ever need.
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On Feb 6, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robert Downs via Groups.Io < wa5cab@...> wrote: Short answer is “yes”.? A 3MT dead center will work fine in the spindle. ? Robert Downs ? ? The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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The sleeve type 3MT to 2MT adapter is to be greatly preferred over the much more common tang type in that at least the Atlas made one does not hang the 2MT widget out in front of the spindle nose. ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jmartin957 <jmartin957@...> via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 23:11
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center? A Morse #3 solid center or a Morse #2 solid center in a Morse #3 sleeve will fit your headstock spindle equally well. ?I’d go with the sleeve, though, for several reasons. The #2 centers are cheaper. As your tailstock ram is a Morse #2 taper, the sleeve will allow you to use your tooling in either spot. ?And it will allow you to make tooling that will fit your tailstock. The sleeve will allow you to mount your tailstock centers in your headstock for the purpose of truing them up, which has to be done occasionally. Will the sleeve introduce inaccuracy? ?Not really - any decent sleeve will be much more accurate than you will ever need.
On Feb 6, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robert Downs via Groups.Io <wa5cab@...> wrote:
Short answer is “yes”.? A 3MT dead center will work fine in the spindle. ? Robert Downs ? ? The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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What no-one has answered is whether you already have a sleeve or not ?
The MT3-2 sleeve allows you to use a variety of MT-2 tooling in the spindle , and an MT-2 centre will also fit the tailstock . . . .
If you intend to do centre to centre operations then a MT-3 and an MT-2 would be needed
Regards, ? Carvel ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Downs via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 11:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center? Short answer is “yes”.? A 3MT dead center will work fine in the spindle. ? Robert Downs ? ? The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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I agree with Carvel.? The MT2 and MT3 are so cheap, get both.? I believe I also bought the MT3 to MT2 sleeve.
-Jody
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-------- Original message -------- From: cwlathes <carvelw@...> Date: 2/7/19 2:57 AM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center What no-one has answered is whether you already have a sleeve or not ?
The MT3-2 sleeve allows you to use a variety of MT-2 tooling in the spindle , and an MT-2 centre will also fit the tailstock . . . .
If you intend to do centre to centre operations then a MT-3 and an MT-2 would be needed
Regards, ? Carvel ? ? Short answer is “yes”.? A 3MT dead center will work fine in the spindle. ? Robert Downs ? ? The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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Yes, I already have the sleeve.
Stan
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On 2/7/2019 1:57 AM, cwlathes wrote:
What no-one has answered is whether you already have a sleeve or not ?
The MT3-2 sleeve allows you to use a variety of MT-2 tooling in the
spindle , and an MT-2 centre will also fit the tailstock . . . .
If you intend to do centre to centre operations then a MT-3 and an
MT-2 would be needed
Regards,
Carvel
*From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
*On Behalf Of *Robert Downs via Groups.Io
*Sent:* 06 February 2019 11:58 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center
Short answer is “yes”. A 3MT dead center will work fine in the spindle.
Robert Downs
*From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
*On Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 14:46
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center
The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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On 2/6/2019 10:11 PM, jmartin957 <jmartin957@...> via Groups.Io wrote:
The sleeve will allow you to mount your tailstock centers in your
headstock for the purpose of truing them up, which has to be done
occasionally.
If the centers have to be trued now and then, is this an argument against getting a carbide tipped one? Stan
Will the sleeve introduce inaccuracy? ?Not really - any decent sleeve
will be much more accurate than you will ever need.
On Feb 6, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robert Downs via Groups.Io
<wa5cab@... <mailto:wa5cab@...>> wrote:
Short answer is “yes”.? A 3MT dead center will work fine in the spindle.
Robert Downs
*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 14:46
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center
The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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Not at all. ?Carbide centers are fine. ?But you may find that at some point you’ll need HSS centers as well.
Such as when you need an extended center for working on a very small part. ?Or when you need a half center to face off in close. ?Or when you need to true up a center for very precise work on a small part. ?While you can modify a carbide-tipped center just as you can a HSS center, it’s time consuming and will require a diamond wheel.
Carbide will stand up to abuse better than HSS, but if you keep your HSS center well lubed with white lead or a modern high pressure lubricant it will last a very long time before needing attention.
Just as you’ll probably find yourself using both HSS and carbide cutters, depending on the situation.....
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On Feb 7, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Stan Gorodenski < stanlep@...> wrote: On 2/6/2019 10:11 PM, jmartin957 < jmartin957@...> via Groups.Io wrote:
The sleeve will allow you to mount your tailstock centers in your
headstock for the purpose of truing them up, which has to be done
occasionally.
If the centers have to be trued now and then, is this an argument against getting a carbide tipped one? Stan
Will the sleeve introduce inaccuracy? ?Not really - any decent sleeve
will be much more accurate than you will ever need.
On Feb 6, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robert Downs via Groups.Io
<wa5cab@... <mailto:wa5cab@...>> wrote:
Short answer is “yes”.? A 3MT dead center will work fine in the spindle.
Robert Downs
*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 14:46
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center
The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve. Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the taper in the
headstock?
Stan
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Thanks. That helps a lot.
Stan
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On 2/7/2019 5:45 PM, jmartin957 <jmartin957@...> via Groups.Io wrote: Not at all. ?Carbide centers are fine. ?But you may find that at some
point you’ll need HSS centers as well.
Such as when you need an extended center for working on a very small
part. ?Or when you need a half center to face off in close. ?Or when
you need to true up a center for very precise work on a small part.
?While you can modify a carbide-tipped center just as you can a HSS
center, it’s time consuming and will require a diamond wheel.
Carbide will stand up to abuse better than HSS, but if you keep your
HSS center well lubed with white lead or a modern high pressure
lubricant it will last a very long time before needing attention.
Just as you’ll probably find yourself using both HSS and carbide
cutters, depending on the situation.....
On Feb 7, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Stan Gorodenski <stanlep@...
<mailto:stanlep@...>> wrote:
On 2/6/2019 10:11 PM, jmartin957 <jmartin957@...
<mailto:jmartin957@...>> via Groups.Io wrote:
The sleeve will allow you to mount your tailstock centers in your
headstock for the purpose of truing them up, which has to be done
occasionally.
If the centers have to be trued now and then, is this an argument
against getting a carbide tipped one?
Stan
Will the sleeve introduce inaccuracy? ?Not really - any decent
sleeve
will be much more accurate than you will ever need.
On Feb 6, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Robert Downs via Groups.Io
<wa5cab@... <mailto:wa5cab@...>
<mailto:wa5cab@...>> wrote:
Short answer is “yes”.? A 3MT dead center will work fine in
the spindle.
Robert Downs
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Stan Gorodenski
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 14:46
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [atlas-craftsman IO] Dead Center
The manual for my Atlas 10" says a sleeve is provided to go
from a #2
Morse taper to a #3 Morse taper. I know little about
machining and so I
don't know if this means I could buy a #3 Morse dead center
and directly
put it in the headstock spindle and eliminate the sleeve.
Would I be
able to do this, or could there still be some problems in the
taper of
the bought dead center not matching like it should to the
taper in the
headstock?
Stan
|
Stan Gorodenski