Is the importer/manufacturing location scratched out or blanked out?
Doug
In a message dated 6/21/2018 11:40:23 AM Central Standard Time, tom39@... writes:
I am thinking that someone possibly unknowingly scrapped out the manufacturers markings in a attempt to modify, update the car to appear modernized.?
Tom
From the looks of the other pictures I would say the car in question just might be a Bachmann. Judging just by the font size and the offset of the printing in certain areas . Keep in mind sellers are know for pieces cars together. So it's possible the bottom frame maybe from one manufacturer and the shell of another.
Rick
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:53 AM, NYCAP Email
All,? Who originally produced this car? My cars under frame has the embossed manufacturers name scratched off.
Tom
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I am thinking that someone possibly unknowingly scrapped out the manufacturers markings in a attempt to modify, update the car to appear modernized.?
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On Jun 20, 2018, at 02:32, guitarrick_c1812 via Groups.Io < guitarrick_c1812@...> wrote: From the looks of the other pictures I would say the car in question just might be a Bachmann. Judging just by the font size and the offset of the printing in certain areas . Keep in mind sellers are know for pieces cars together. So it's possible the bottom frame maybe from one manufacturer and the shell of another. Rick On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:53 AM, NYCAP Email All,? Who originally produced this car? My cars under frame has the embossed manufacturers name scratched off.
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I have four of the Model Power ones. I will try to find them and look at the insert unless someone else can do it sooner.
Also I have four CB&Q cars with the yellow band and jade green. Yes jade green,
Chuck Seemann? ? Aurora, Colorado
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I have this car, it is in a model power box with label.
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From the looks of the other pictures I would say the car in question just might be a Bachmann. Judging just by the font size and the offset of the printing in certain areas . Keep in mind sellers are know for pieces cars together. So it's possible the bottom frame maybe from one manufacturer and the shell of another.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:53 AM, NYCAP Email <tom39@...> wrote: All,? Who originally produced this car? My cars under frame has the embossed manufacturers name scratched off.
Tom
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It's a RoCo car and it is basically identical to the ones they made for Atlas sold as reefers (Blatz, Natl. Dairy Dispatch, Thermice, KO&G). However, the Atlas version had an extra little placard board underneath the larger one to the left of the doors. The ones made for other importers don't have that, just the larger board as pictured.
Bachmann made a copy of the car, too, but it would have "Bachmann, Hong Kong" on the underside, not scratched off or blanked out.
Typically, cars made for AHM had "ahm" in place of "Atlas" on the underside but nothing was really set in stone in those days.
Doug
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Above is Model Power 3409
Below is Bachmann (I do not know the product #)
car below is Life-Like S788B
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:05 PM, NYCAP Email <tom39@...> wrote: All, ? Would anyone happen to have the ?PAPER INSERT with STOCK NUMBER for this car??
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HAMX 31200 has been done by everyone:
Model Power, Bachmann, Life-Like, and others.
Tom (Whose wife has over 1400 N scale been cars)
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I wasn¡¯t aware of that. I can now confirm it¡¯s NOT Model Power as the MP version is a different body style and lacks the blue stripe at the bottom. Perhaps a pic of the underside would help. Cheers, Martin? Sent from a mobile device, may contain typos
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On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:22 AM, T Meserole < tomeserole@...> wrote: HAMX 31200 has been done by everyone:
Model Power, Bachmann, Life-Like, and others.
Tom (Whose wife has over 1400 N scale been cars)
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All, ? Would anyone happen to have the ?PAPER INSERT with STOCK NUMBER for this car??
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HAMX 31200 has been done by everyone:
Model Power, Bachmann, Life-Like, and others.
Tom (Whose wife has over 1400 N scale been cars)
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HAMX 31200 has been done by everyone:
Model Power, Bachmann, Life-Like, and others.
Tom (Whose wife has over 1400 N scale been cars)
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Martin Landry <914four@...> wrote: Hi Tom,
Model Power sold that exact car with that road number (HAMX 31200), but I don¡¯t know if they were the first.
HTH,
Martin
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Hi Tom,
Model Power sold that exact car with that road number (HAMX 31200), but I don¡¯t know if they were the first.
HTH,
Martin
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On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:53 AM, NYCAP Email <tom39@...> wrote:
All, Who originally produced this car? My cars under frame has the embossed manufacturers name scratched off.
Tom
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All, Who originally produced this car? My cars under frame has the embossed manufacturers name scratched off.
Tom
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Re: A1G + copycats 40' E.War / Composite Gons
Thanks guys
Strangely there were no Reading in the group, unlike previous purchases I'd accumulated.
Some have MTL body mounts already done, but not sure I'll continue to do that or el-cheapo with short-stem Unimates that improve coupling distance.
The Bachmann seem crisper over all apart from name-label, and improved paint, virtually indistinguishable- which is ok either way for me. I'm fond of the quirkiness found amongst the gon field since there were so many prototypes anyway.
A foob in this field is hardly an issue- given I've also heavily invested in the 'real models' of D&RGW gon prototypes produced by Tichy/ Intermntn and Trainworx.
My palette is complete, all I need is the space (and proto-scenery) to showcase them.
davew
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Re: A1G + copycats 40' E.War / Composite Gons
Bachmann cars were typically copies made in Hong Kong or China but I guess you never know. Most of them were of equal quality to RoCo in the early days.
The Atlas Norfolk Southern composite gondola was the first N scale item (after Treble-O-Lectric) I ever got, bought in the summer of 1967. It was an absolute thrill to see those Atlas cars in the Nichol's Hobby Shop display case. I still have that car, unchanged after all these years.
Doug
In a message dated 6/14/2018 9:54:20 AM Central Standard Time, groups@... writes:
Rick, you're spot on with the A1G Roadnames: Norfolk Southern (the first one), Cotton Belt/SSW, Monon and Reading.? Photos of each are on the A1G site (shameless plug).
The Walthers releases on the left of the original photo were also made by Roco and should be the same as the A1G cars, excepting perhaps a bit of tooling cleanup and in my opinion a little better paint job.
That the Bachmann releases could also be from Roco is something I haven't considered up until now.? Somewhere I think I still have one of the CB&Q cars and can do a comparison... if I can locate it.
Cheers,
George
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Re: A1G + copycats 40' E.War / Composite Gons
Rick, you're spot on with the A1G Roadnames: Norfolk Southern (the first one), Cotton Belt/SSW, Monon and Reading.? Photos of each are on the A1G site (shameless plug).
The Walthers releases on the left of the original photo were also made by Roco and should be the same as the A1G cars, excepting perhaps a bit of tooling cleanup and in my opinion a little better paint job.
That the Bachmann releases could also be from Roco is something I haven't considered up until now.? Somewhere I think I still have one of the CB&Q cars and can do a comparison... if I can locate it.
Cheers,
George
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Re: A1G + copycats 40' E.War / Composite Gons
Hi Dave,? ? ?Great selections of gons you got going there ! If memory serves me right the first generation run of Atlas composite gons where Cotton Belt, Norfolk Southern, Reading and Monon. You got three of the four. The Missouri Pacific is more like from a later run but still a great Atlas car. Sorry to hear some of the cars may loose their original identity but you got to do what you got to do to build your railroad. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Rick
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:04 PM, dave w via Groups.Io <nzntrains@...> wrote: hi gang, Though good offices of a guy at Railwiire I got? a large handful of these, mixture as cited of A1G, Trix/ Walthers and Bachmann in various conditions of completion. Most to be stripped back to plain mineral red or black and used as coal cars on the ol' D&RG/W? hypothetical railroad I'm fashioning. Mineral red being the color of some gon series before the 40's, so thats a justification I'll run with. cheers dave w ![]()
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A1G + copycats 40' E.War / Composite Gons
hi gang, Though good offices of a guy at Railwiire I got? a large handful of these, mixture as cited of A1G, Trix/ Walthers and Bachmann in various conditions of completion. Most to be stripped back to plain mineral red or black and used as coal cars on the ol' D&RG/W? hypothetical railroad I'm fashioning. Mineral red being the color of some gon series before the 40's, so thats a justification I'll run with. cheers dave w 
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Re: Transfer to Groups.io appears complete!
Hi Doug......long time no see !?
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:47 PM, Douglas Gosha via Groups.Io <dgosha@...> wrote:
Rick, you and I got started about the same time with A1G. I was a bit later as I know it was in the summer of 1967 I got the Norfolk Southern composite gondola. It came in the case with the early plastic spacers instead of the blue insert and had the bronze colored wheels with the small insulators.
I actually still have my first 5-10 original A1G cars untouched, as far as changing them (they have been run) in the original boxes.
In November, I got my first A1G loco, the Santa Fe E8.
Doug
In a message dated 5/15/2018 4:35:47 PM Central Standard Time, guitarrick_c1812@... writes:
Hi Dennis,
? ? ? Got my first Atlas a1g April of 67. Remember being in the local hobby shop ( Vail's Hobbies) a year before where in a glass case where they stored the HO engines inside was a picture of a piece of N scale rolling stock with a dime laying beside it to show the size of it taken at the toy expo show in New York City. My friend Bobby and I use to marvel at the picture and couldn't believe how small it was ?!!
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Re: Transfer to Groups.io appears complete!
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 07:11 am, G.J. Irwin wrote:
The key change is that you cannot "opt out" of e-mail,
Now George, thats not nice, I'm all No Email all the way. I'm sub'd to over 30 model and proto groups and have since 2002 (+/-) done all my group reading on line. However I see in my Group Subscription settings I'll only get 'Special Notices' anyway. It takes seconds per day to read most, and I'm not getting bombarded with crap and duplicates ad infinitum. Only you have my personal email for UMTRR delivery, regards davew
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Re: Transfer to Groups.io appears complete!
Rick, you and I got started about the same time with A1G. I was a bit later as I know it was in the summer of 1967 I got the Norfolk Southern composite gondola. It came in the case with the early plastic spacers instead of the blue insert and had the bronze colored wheels with the small insulators.
I actually still have my first 5-10 original A1G cars untouched, as far as changing them (they have been run) in the original boxes.
In November, I got my first A1G loco, the Santa Fe E8.
Doug
In a message dated 5/15/2018 4:35:47 PM Central Standard Time, guitarrick_c1812@... writes:
Hi Dennis,
? ? ? Got my first Atlas a1g April of 67. Remember being in the local hobby shop ( Vail's Hobbies) a year before where in a glass case where they stored the HO engines inside was a picture of a piece of N scale rolling stock with a dime laying beside it to show the size of it taken at the toy expo show in New York City. My friend Bobby and I use to marvel at the picture and couldn't believe how small it was ?!!
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