Re: Frank Herbert GIFFORD
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So much does not add up with this extended family.? I found Clara/Louisa on Familysearch.? A direct descendant of hers has posted a lot of information but I need to be wary as some dates are incorrect.? I messaged the?descendant given we are related but so far no response. I had Clara and John marrying in 1897 so it could be my error or an error on the family search data but the Carleton Schedule states 1898.
I don't have access to the US Naturalisation records and I presume the Petition of which you speak relates to that?
For Clara/Louisa and John I have Clara Maud and Eva Elizabeth born in England, John HUNTER born Canada 1889, Joseph John William HUNTER in Canada 1893, Dorothy Hannah May HUNTER born in Canada in 1899 and Ann M HUNTER (Annie) born in Canada in 1901.
Oral family history from a now deceased MORRISON descendant said that Clara/Louisa was a bit odd.
In a further strange twist Clara/Louisa's second husband Chauncey Post SPEAKER went to a dental appointment and never returned.? Apparently he was never found!
Clara/Louisa was in De Witt State Mental Hospital on 3rd May 1950 in the US Census of that year.? I have her death as 1st April 1953 in California.? Her daughter Dorothy Hannah May HUNTER appears to have gone to live in California.
It is quite a story without any of the other MORRISON family members I have been researching.?? Lynley
Hi Lynley
I saw Edith Clara HUNTER in Canada, but facts didn't add up.
1891 census John HUNTER is 36, born England Clara is 31, born
Ireland, Clara, 6, born England, Eva, 3, born England, John 1,
born Ontario.
Yet in Selected U.S. Naturalization Records. Edith Clara states
she was born 17 May 1873, Dublin, Ireland.
On the petition, her children are John, b 1894, Ontario, Clara b
1896, England, Eva b 1899, England and Joseph b 1902, Canada
I don't think that she could have had children after they appear
on a census, do you?
Lin
On 05/11/2024 20:54, Lynley Chapman via
wrote:
Hi Lin,
A real "chancer" across so much.....but he kept that name
and the "pride" in being a 9th Lancer....when he wasn't
deserting on many occasions!? A judge in one case said he was
a "rogue and a? vagabond"....
Ah you have found the muddle that was Louisa Annie GIFFORD,
born to Hannah and Frank in Brighton in 1864. Hannah and her
children were not born in Ireland but Hannah's parents Michael
and Margaret MORRISON, nee KEHOE say they were born around
1800 in Dublin or Dublin environs.??
Louisa changed her name to Clara while in England.? ?
HUNTER was her married name and the one she used before she
married John. She kept that until many years later when she
remarried in America to?Chauncey Post SPEAKER.? Louisa/Clara
also added in Edith?to her name in records in Canada.
Louisa/Clara had two daughters to John Josiah HUNTER in
Portsmouth before they emigrated to Canada.? They did not
marry until 1897 after their fourth child was born.? First
daughter born in 1885 and second daughter born in prison in
1887 after Clara HUNTER had been convicted of obtaining money
under false pretences in Brighton.
There was also a testing name muddle with my 3x great
grandparents Michael and Margaret Morrison,?nee KEHOE.? They
used KEHOE for their children's surnames until they finally
married in Brighton in 1845 after the birth of their last
child.? Their lising in the 1841 UK census is under KEHOE.
Can name games be hereditary I wonder?? LOL
Lynley
Hi Lynley
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Well, well - Franks certainly was a quite a character.
?
I wonder who he really was!.
?
Just a bit more Clara Louisa GIFFORD married John HUNTER
in Ontario, Canada in 1898. Father Frank GIFFORD, mother
Anna MORRISON. He was 41, born England; she was aged 34,
born in Ireland. Is this Louisa Hannah? I wonder why she is
now Clara Louisa?
?
Lin
?
Well I purchased the birth record for Herbert Stanley
GIFFORD, 1879 and oh look the 9th Lancer Frank Herbert
GIFFORD.? See attached.
I wonder how Emily fared post birth.? Both Hannah and Frank
were bigamists.
Lynley
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