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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
开云体育Forgot to mention redoing the rear boiler mounts is necessary to keep the stack properly lined up with the steam pipes to the cylinders. That change along with having to cut, grind and file off any unwanted detail on the Mantua boiler would make using a Cary boiler much easier. ? Of course there are production USRA mikes available today that come highly detailed and have dcc and sound BUT with the situation in China nowadays plus I sure as heck can’t be buying much in the way of $400.00 “toys” (as described by “shoe who must be obeyed”) the idea of finding and old Mantua drive for under $50 and a Pacific boiler for maybe $20.00 is starting to look a lot more appealing again. And the dang thing will run forever. ? John Hagen ? From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of John Hagen
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 7:16 AM To: yardbirdtrains@... Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 Mikado Ideas ? ? Just for general information the September 1977 issue of Model Railroader has an article by Dean Shepherd on building a USRA Mike using Tyco (Mantua) parts. He used a Pacific boiler on a Mikado drive although he note that since he had built it Don Stromberg had introduced his Cary USRA boiler which Shepherd states “will make the conversion easier.” He also chose to keep the Tyco long distance tender calling it a replacement for the original USRA tender on his road. The resulting loco certainly does look USRA-ish enough for the most modelers which would also mean it could be used for many subsequent prototype locos built that were based on the USRA design. ? Kinda funny how things make a circle. Using a Pacific boiler on a Mikado chassis was one way of building a convincing USRA or USRA clone until the Cary shell appeared. Now there are no more Cary shells and Alan is back to using a Pacific boiler. ? John Hagen ? From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Alan Kilby ? ? If boiler mounting holes are in back of frame as I suspect they were originally,making a mount further back than original on mike frame would not require as much work(filing)and make for an easy conversion.I look forward to completing this faze and moving on to detailing,the mechanism and valve gear is completed. ?? Alan ? From: Alan <albyrno@...> ? The boiler I got had been modified already,it looks to me going by file marks that the pad where mounting holes I will be using were filed into boiler(not original?)to fit the mike(shorter?)frame,not having a pacific to compare am not sure.Other than milling out some material from inside of pac boiler to accomodate worm,with high speed dremel cutter it took me less than a minute to do,the rear mount is the only thing you may need to change I'm using a 1/4 x 1/16" brass for mine with screws coming up from bottom into tapped holes in boiler support to mount to frame.I am using these holes that line up with frame perfectly but back of boiler sticks up which is why I cut notches in rear of frame and made new boiler mount plate.I do not like the large space between frame and bottom of boiler on these locos so I also lowered the front saddle by filing down frame where cyl.rests and removing additional material by cutting/lowering cyl.saddle,if lowering you will need to remove the nubs inside top of boiler,this is not neccesary but is more prototypical height.Its not difficult only drawback your arm may get tired from filing for mount. |
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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
开云体育Just for general information the September 1977 issue of Model Railroader has an article by Dean Shepherd on building a USRA Mike using Tyco (Mantua) parts. He used a Pacific boiler on a Mikado drive although he note that since he had built it Don Stromberg had introduced his Cary USRA boiler which Shepherd states “will make the conversion easier.” He also chose to keep the Tyco long distance tender calling it a replacement for the original USRA tender on his road. The resulting loco certainly does look USRA-ish enough for the most modelers which would also mean it could be used for many subsequent prototype locos built that were based on the USRA design. ? Kinda funny how things make a circle. Using a Pacific boiler on a Mikado chassis was one way of building a convincing USRA or USRA clone until the Cary shell appeared. Now there are no more Cary shells and Alan is back to using a Pacific boiler. ? John Hagen ? From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Alan Kilby
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:00 PM To: yardbirdtrains@... Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas ? ? If boiler mounting holes are in back of frame as I suspect they were originally,making a mount further back than original on mike frame would not require as much work(filing)and make for an easy conversion.I look forward to completing this faze and moving on to detailing,the mechanism and valve gear is completed. ?? Alan ? From: Alan <albyrno@...> ? The boiler I got had been modified already,it looks to me going by file marks that the pad where mounting holes I will be using were filed into boiler(not original?)to fit the mike(shorter?)frame,not having a pacific to compare am not sure.Other than milling out some material from inside of pac boiler to accomodate worm,with high speed dremel cutter it took me less than a minute to do,the rear mount is the only thing you may need to change I'm using a 1/4 x 1/16" brass for mine with screws coming up from bottom into tapped holes in boiler support to mount to frame.I am using these holes that line up with frame perfectly but back of boiler sticks up which is why I cut notches in rear of frame and made new boiler mount plate.I do not like the large space between frame and bottom of boiler on these locos so I also lowered the front saddle by filing down frame where cyl.rests and removing additional material by cutting/lowering cyl.saddle,if lowering you will need to remove the nubs inside top of boiler,this is not neccesary but is more prototypical height.Its not difficult only drawback your arm may get tired from filing for mount. |
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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
If boiler mounting holes are in back of frame as I suspect they were originally,making a mount further back than original on mike frame would not require as much work(filing)and make for an easy conversion.I look forward to completing this faze and moving on to detailing,the mechanism and valve gear is completed. ?? Alan From: Alan
To: yardbirdtrains@... Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:48 PM Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
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The boiler I got had been modified already,it looks to me going by file marks that the pad where mounting holes I will be using were filed into boiler(not original?)to fit the mike(shorter?)frame,not having a pacific to compare am not sure.Other than milling out some material from inside of pac boiler to accomodate worm,with high speed dremel cutter it took me less than a minute to do,the rear mount is the only thing you may need to change I'm using a 1/4 x 1/16" brass for mine with screws coming up from bottom into tapped holes in boiler support to mount to frame.I am using these holes that line up with frame perfectly but back of boiler sticks up which is why I cut notches in rear of frame and made new boiler mount plate.I do not like the large space between frame and bottom of boiler on these locos so I also lowered the front saddle by filing down frame where cyl.rests and removing additional material by cutting/lowering cyl.saddle,if
lowering you will need to remove the nubs inside top of boiler,this is not neccesary but is more prototypical height.Its not difficult only drawback your arm may get tired from filing for mount.
Alan --- In mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com, Karen M Miller wrote: > > Thanks for the sugestion. How well does the Pacific Boiler mount? > Donovan > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Alan > To: mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, November 29, 2012 11:17:20 AM > Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas > > ?? > in photo album "mike repl. boiler" there are pictures of the one I'm currently > building using pacific boiler,leaning towards lehigh valley loco,there are > pictures of a few different ones along with vandy tender that mounts using > longhaul tender frame I'm thinking of using.I found some pictures and plans by > googling railway engineering locos. > > Alan > > --- In mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com, "Karen M" wrote: > > > > I'm in the midddle of building my seccond Mantua 2-8-2 and have no clue what to > >make it. The other is a freelanced Union Pacific mikado with the stock boiler > >and some added parts from Yardbird. Any ideas on what to make the seccond one? > > > |
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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
The boiler I got had been modified already,it looks to me going by file marks that the pad where mounting holes I will be using were filed into boiler(not original?)to fit the mike(shorter?)frame,not having a pacific to compare am not sure.Other than milling out some material from inside of pac boiler to accomodate worm,with high speed dremel cutter it took me less than a minute to do,the rear mount is the only thing you may need to change I'm using a 1/4 x 1/16" brass for mine with screws coming up from bottom into tapped holes in boiler support to mount to frame.I am using these holes that line up with frame perfectly but back of boiler sticks up which is why I cut notches in rear of frame and made new boiler mount plate.I do not like the large space between frame and bottom of boiler on these locos so I also lowered the front saddle by filing down frame where cyl.rests and removing additional material by cutting/lowering cyl.saddle,if lowering you will need to remove the nubs inside top of boiler,this is not neccesary but is more prototypical height.Its not difficult only drawback your arm may get tired from filing for mount.
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Alan --- In yardbirdtrains@..., Karen M Miller <kmmpjm@...> wrote:
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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
Karen M Miller
Thanks for the sugestion. How well does the Pacific Boiler mount?
Donovan
From: Alan <albyrno@...> To: yardbirdtrains@... Sent: Thu, November 29, 2012 11:17:20 AM Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas ? in photo album "mike repl. boiler" there are pictures of the one I'm currently building using pacific boiler,leaning towards lehigh valley loco,there are pictures of a few different ones along with vandy tender that mounts using longhaul tender frame I'm thinking of using.I found some pictures and plans by googling railway engineering locos. |
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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
Karen M Miller
Thanks for the info. I'll look into it.
Donovan
From: Jeff Pellas To: yardbirdtrains@... Sent: Thu, November 29, 2012 8:01:21 AM Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas ? I believe that the Mantua Mike was based on the NYC H-7E class mikado. There's also the NYC H-10 which was based partly on the earlier H-7 class but with Lima Superpower elements. I've compared boiler dimensions and driver wheel base of the Mantua mike with drawings of the H-10 and they are almost exact matches. Another possibility is the NYC H-8 class which was basically an H-7 but with 57" drivers instead of 62". Something else to keep in mind is that there were several railroads which were either wholly or partly owned by the NYC --or at least were close business partners with-- which used some similar equipment: P&LE, W&LE, Illinois Central, Cambria & Indiana, Michigan Central, Canada Southern... someone already mentioned Nickel Plate... and others.? Jeff
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From: Karen M Miller To: yardbirdtrains Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas ?
SP had moderm Mikes?
Donovan
From: Long95209 <long95209@...> To: yardbirdtrains@... Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 6:09:28 PM Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas ? If you freelanced a UP Harriman , there's always Southern Pacific MK 1 ? Henry H. --- In yardbirdtrains@..., Karen M Miller wrote: > > Thanks for the sugestions. I'll have to look at one of my dad's books. He's a > New York Central buff. > Donovan > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Long95209 > To: yardbirdtrains@... > Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 5:36:36 PM > Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas > > ?? > Lots of leeway on the stock boiler . New York Central H5 class , Nickle Plate H5 > class ? The NKP is a copy of the New York Central . Go to fallen flags railroad > pictures to reference them . Henry H. > > --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Karen M" <kmmpjm@> wrote: > > > > I'm in the midddle of building my seccond Mantua 2-8-2 and have no clue what to > >make it. The other is a freelanced Union Pacific mikado with the stock boiler > >and some added parts from Yardbird. Any ideas on what to make the seccond one? > > > |
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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
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? ? Nice! Many variations possible with the two distinct Mantua boilers (the Wagontop and the straight top boilers) plus the various Mantua cabs, pilots, etc. Other companies made their own customzing parts: Cary, Mellor, Kemtron and, of course, Yard Bird Trains. Just tons of possibilities!? Jeff
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-----Original Message----- From: Alan To: yardbirdtrains Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2012 9:15 am Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
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in photo album "mike repl. boiler" there are pictures of the one I'm currently building using pacific boiler,leaning towards lehigh valley loco,there are pictures of a few different ones along with vandy tender that mounts using longhaul tender frame I'm thinking of using.I found some pictures and plans by googling railway engineering locos.
Alan --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Karen M" wrote: > > I'm in the midddle of building my seccond Mantua 2-8-2 and have no clue what to make it. The other is a freelanced Union Pacific mikado with the stock boiler and some added parts from Yardbird. Any ideas on what to make the seccond one? > |
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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
in photo album "mike repl. boiler" there are pictures of the one I'm currently building using pacific boiler,leaning towards lehigh valley loco,there are pictures of a few different ones along with vandy tender that mounts using longhaul tender frame I'm thinking of using.I found some pictures and plans by googling railway engineering locos.
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Alan --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Karen M" <kmmpjm@...> wrote:
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Their is a list of railroads with mikes and some pictures?on this link ??? Alan ? www.steamlocomotive.com/mikado/?page=usra From: Long95209
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Toledo & Ohio Central , Peoria & Eastern , Lake Shore Michigan Southern ? Nickle Plate was owned outright by NYC at one time . Dagg nabb it , now I have to break out my Stauffer NYC book !! Thanks Jeff !! Henry H.
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Long95209
Toledo & Ohio Central , Peoria & Eastern , Lake Shore Michigan Southern ? Nickle Plate was owned outright by NYC at one time . Dagg nabb it , now I have to break out my Stauffer NYC book !! Thanks Jeff !! Henry H.
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Long95209
Denis , I lost my track many years ago . No , this one's not the Pacific boiler on Mike chassis topic ? I'm pretty sure ? I think ? Henry H.
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Long95209
Yessir ! Quite a few ex-NYC H5s went "down South" . AWP , KO&G ! Henry H.
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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
I believe that the Mantua Mike was based on the NYC H-7E class mikado. There's also the NYC H-10 which was based partly on the earlier H-7 class but with Lima Superpower elements. I've compared boiler dimensions and driver wheel base of the Mantua mike with drawings of the H-10 and they are almost exact matches. Another possibility is the NYC H-8 class which was basically an H-7 but with 57" drivers instead of 62". Something else to keep in mind is that there were several railroads which were either wholly or partly owned by the NYC --or at least were close business partners with-- which used some similar equipment: P&LE, W&LE, Illinois Central, Cambria & Indiana, Michigan Central, Canada Southern... someone already mentioned Nickel Plate... and others.?
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-----Original Message----- From: Karen M Miller To: yardbirdtrains Sent: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
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SP had moderm Mikes?
Donovan
From: Long95209 <long95209@...> To: yardbirdtrains@... Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 6:09:28 PM Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas ? If you freelanced a UP Harriman , there's always Southern Pacific MK 1 ? Henry H.
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Karen M Miller wrote: > > Thanks for the sugestions. I'll have to look at one of my dad's books. He's a > New York Central buff. > Donovan > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Long95209 > To: yardbirdtrains@... > Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 5:36:36 PM > Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas > > ?? > Lots of leeway on the stock boiler . New York Central H5 class , Nickle Plate H5 > class ? The NKP is a copy of the New York Central . Go to fallen flags railroad > pictures to reference them . Henry H. > > --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Karen M" wrote: > > > > I'm in the midddle of building my seccond Mantua 2-8-2 and have no clue what to > >make it. The other is a freelanced Union Pacific mikado with the stock boiler > >and some added parts from Yardbird. Any ideas on what to make the seccond one? > > > |
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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
Karen M Miller
SP had moderm Mikes?
Donovan From: Long95209 To: yardbirdtrains@... Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 6:09:28 PM Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas ? If you freelanced a UP Harriman , there's always Southern Pacific MK 1 ? Henry H. |
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Long95209
If you freelanced a UP Harriman , there's always Southern Pacific MK 1 ? Henry H.
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Karen M Miller <kmmpjm@...> wrote:
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Karen M Miller
Thanks for the sugestions. I'll have to look at one of my dad's books. He's a New York Central buff.
Donovan
From: Long95209 To: yardbirdtrains@... Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 5:36:36 PM Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas ? Lots of leeway on the stock boiler . New York Central H5 class , Nickle Plate H5 class ? The NKP is a copy of the New York Central . Go to fallen flags railroad pictures to reference them . Henry H. |
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Karen M Miller
I'll have to look into that. Thanks for the sugestion.
Donovan
From: David Rhoades To: "yardbirdtrains@..." Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 5:38:34 PM Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas ?
We have a local train run around here called the Skunk Train which runs from Willits to Ft. Bragg on the Mendocino coast. Google it, I have always wanted to model that. ? David ? ? This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. |
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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas
开云体育We have a local train run around here called the Skunk Train which runs from Willits to Ft. Bragg on the Mendocino coast. Google it, I have always wanted to model that. ? David ? ? This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. |
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