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Southern Ry. Green ?

Long95209
 

Could this be a so called "Apple Green" for a base color ? If you come across color prints of FT or F units or Crescent E units ? Quite a bit of difference . Does anyone have a color chart from "back when" ?? Henry H.


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Yeah, brain freeze - it's 1401 in the museum.? However, if 4501 is still green like it was in SR fan trip service, it should also be the standard SR green paint.
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-----Original Message-----
From: lnnrr
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 10:38 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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WOW! I thought the 4501 was still in Chattanooga at TVRM. Perhaps
you meant the 1401 at the Smithsonian?
Chuck Peck (who needed a good smile)

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Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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WOW! I thought the 4501 was still in Chattanooga at TVRM. Perhaps
you meant the 1401 at the Smithsonian?
Chuck Peck (who needed a good smile)

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., ebtnut@... wrote:

Ostensibly, the 4501 in the Smithsonian was painted up fresh by SR before it was delivered and should therefore be the "correct" green. Finally, if your model is going to be seen normally in a typically lit basement, the actual color you paint it should be mixed to give it the appearance you like under those conditions.

DM




Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

 

Couple of things - Be careful about making color judgements based on old photos.? Most pics up through the mid-to late '30's were taken with orthochromatic B&W film.? The film reacts differently to colors than the more modern panchromatic films.? Another thing - It appears from looking at color photos of SR locos that the Apple Green paint tended to oxidize fairly quickly in sunlight and fade to a lighter shade.? Most red paints are the same way.? Compare a fresh "boxcar red" car with one that's been on the road for a year or so.? Ostensibly, the 4501 in the Smithsonian was painted up fresh by SR before it was delivered and should therefore be the "correct" green.? Finally, if your model is going to be seen normally in a typically lit basement, the actual color you paint it should be mixed to give it the appearance you like under those conditions.?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Bitleris
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 8:54 am
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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Hi Bob,
I don't have a specific formula, maybe I should, but none of my steamers have identical black.? Generally, I used to use Floquil engine black, 75% and reefer white 25%.? This seemed to provide a lighter shade of black that allowed you to see any details.? Lately, I have been using Pollyscale Steam Power black with some Pollyscale Reefer white mixed in, about the same ratio. ? I do plan on adding a touch of Boxcar Red to this mix on the next steamer paint job just to see how it goes.
BTW, I really do think that the early light lime green that Southern used would definitely look toy like no matter what you did, unless you added lots of dirty weathering to it.? I cannot get over that when I see the photos.? The only photos I have ever seen were the black and white ones, color was not invented at that time, but you can clearly see that these locomotives were very light.? Here are a couple of examples.


Here is one similar to one that I am trying to model, except mine will be black.? This one appears to have a light boiler and dark cab and tender.? Go figure?

Regards,
Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC


To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: rrdeffinger@...
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 00:31:46 -0500
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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I didn't say that the green used by the Southern looked toy like.? I said the?green I used looked toy like. It was lighter that??Southern Green.
I have two Bachmann engines painted Southern green and they are?darker that what I had used.
I like basic black too.
What black do you use?? Do you have your own mix?
Bob D.
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To: yardbirdtrains@...
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:05:21 +0000
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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Hi Vic ,Bob . Here's my nickel's worth , a lot of the Southern Green dilema could be the primer undercoat ?? The Lime Green Pacific in the Smithsonian is nothing short of beautiful . Let your conscience guide you fellers ! Henry H.

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> I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better.
> I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do.
> And then try to install a decoder!
> Bob D.
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> Bob,
> Nice work! It really looks great. You've done a good job of matching the prototype. I'd suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That'll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit. John Hagen From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob
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> To: yardbirdtrains@...
> Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
> I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc.
> Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers.
> Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better.
> Any opinions of the color?
> Still have more to do.
> Bob D.
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Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

 

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Hi Bob,
I don't have a specific formula, maybe I should, but none of my steamers have identical black.? Generally, I used to use Floquil engine black, 75% and reefer white 25%.? This seemed to provide a lighter shade of black that allowed you to see any details.? Lately, I have been using Pollyscale Steam Power black with some Pollyscale Reefer white mixed in, about the same ratio. ? I do plan on adding a touch of Boxcar Red to this mix on the next steamer paint job just to see how it goes.
BTW, I really do think that the early light lime green that Southern used would definitely look toy like no matter what you did, unless you added lots of dirty weathering to it.? I cannot get over that when I see the photos.? The only photos I have ever seen were the black and white ones, color was not invented at that time, but you can clearly see that these locomotives were very light.? Here are a couple of examples.


Here is one similar to one that I am trying to model, except mine will be black.? This one appears to have a light boiler and dark cab and tender.? Go figure?

Regards,
Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC


To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: rrdeffinger@...
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 00:31:46 -0500
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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I didn't say that the green used by the Southern looked toy like.? I said the?green I used looked toy like. It was lighter that??Southern Green.
I have two Bachmann engines painted Southern green and they are?darker that what I had used.
I like basic black too.
What black do you use?? Do you have your own mix?
Bob D.
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To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: long95209@...
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:05:21 +0000
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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Hi Vic ,Bob . Here's my nickel's worth , a lot of the Southern Green dilema could be the primer undercoat ?? The Lime Green Pacific in the Smithsonian is nothing short of beautiful . Let your conscience guide you fellers ! Henry H.

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Victor Bitleris wrote:
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> Hi Bob,While I agree that the lighter green on Southern steam engines looks toy like, I understand from reading various accounts and one article I have from Mainline Modeler that indicates that many Southern engines, even the switchers used in passenger train yards were painted a lime green of sorts. Personally, I really don't like it and opt to go with black. I do understand that the beautiful Southern Green and Gold pacifics were actually painted a very nice dark green color and not the "lime green".
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> The Southern RR painted the piping green on their engines but the Great Northern didn't.
> I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better.
> I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do.
> And then try to install a decoder!
> Bob D.
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> Bob,
> Nice work! It really looks great. You've done a good job of matching the prototype. I'd suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That'll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit. John Hagen From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM
> To: yardbirdtrains@...
> Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
> I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc.
> Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers.
> Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better.
> Any opinions of the color?
> Still have more to do.
> Bob D.
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Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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I've seen other greens used that are almost Shining time station ! The others , who knows . That sure is a busy loco ! Good job Mr. Rob ! Henry H.

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Bob - Tena D." <rrdeffinger@...> wrote:


I didn't say that the green used by the Southern looked toy like. I said the green I used looked toy like. It was lighter that Southern Green.I have two Bachmann engines painted Southern green and they are darker that what I had used. I like basic black too.What black do you use? Do you have your own mix?Bob D.
To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: long95209@...
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:05:21 +0000
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash


























Hi Vic ,Bob . Here's my nickel's worth , a lot of the Southern Green dilema could be the primer undercoat ?? The Lime Green Pacific in the Smithsonian is nothing short of beautiful . Let your conscience guide you fellers ! Henry H.



--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Victor Bitleris <bitlerisvj@> wrote:

Hi Bob,While I agree that the lighter green on Southern steam engines looks toy like, I understand from reading various accounts and one article I have from Mainline Modeler that indicates that many Southern engines, even the switchers used in passenger train yards were painted a lime green of sorts. Personally, I really don't like it and opt to go with black. I do understand that the beautiful Southern Green and Gold pacifics were actually painted a very nice dark green color and not the "lime green".
Vic Bitleris
Raleigh, NC
To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: rrdeffinger@
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 01:44:06 -0500
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash
Thanks for the compliments!
I did repaint it a darker green, but not as dark as I first did. The lighter green looked a little toy like.
The Southern RR painted the piping green on their engines but the Great Northern didn't.
I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better.
I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do.
And then try to install a decoder!
Bob D.
To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: sprinthag@
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:54:28 -0600
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash
Bob,
Nice work! It really looks great. You've done a good job of matching the prototype. I'd suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That'll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit. John Hagen From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc.
Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers.
Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better.
Any opinions of the color?
Still have more to do.
Bob D.


Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

 

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I didn't say that the green used by the Southern looked toy like.? I said the?green I used looked toy like. It was lighter that??Southern Green.
I have two Bachmann engines painted Southern green and they are?darker that what I had used.
I like basic black too.
What black do you use?? Do you have your own mix?
Bob D.
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To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: long95209@...
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 15:05:21 +0000
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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Hi Vic ,Bob . Here's my nickel's worth , a lot of the Southern Green dilema could be the primer undercoat ?? The Lime Green Pacific in the Smithsonian is nothing short of beautiful . Let your conscience guide you fellers ! Henry H.

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Victor Bitleris wrote:
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> Hi Bob,While I agree that the lighter green on Southern steam engines looks toy like, I understand from reading various accounts and one article I have from Mainline Modeler that indicates that many Southern engines, even the switchers used in passenger train yards were painted a lime green of sorts. Personally, I really don't like it and opt to go with black. I do understand that the beautiful Southern Green and Gold pacifics were actually painted a very nice dark green color and not the "lime green".
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> To: yardbirdtrains@...
> From: rrdeffinger@...
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 01:44:06 -0500
> Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash
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> I did repaint it a darker green, but not as dark as I first did. The lighter green looked a little toy like.
> The Southern RR painted the piping green on their engines but the Great Northern didn't.
> I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better.
> I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do.
> And then try to install a decoder!
> Bob D.
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> To: yardbirdtrains@...
> From: sprinthag@...
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:54:28 -0600
> Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash
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> Bob,
> Nice work! It really looks great. You've done a good job of matching the prototype. I'd suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That'll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit. John Hagen From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM
> To: yardbirdtrains@...
> Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
> I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc.
> Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers.
> Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better.
> Any opinions of the color?
> Still have more to do.
> Bob D.
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Re: Seeking HO Mantua 0-6-0T valve gear kit

Mary Long
 

Hi there ! You might want to give our benefactor a jingle at Yardbird Classic Trains ?? Henry H.


--- On Tue, 12/4/12, papasmurf wrote:

From: papasmurf
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Seeking HO Mantua 0-6-0T valve gear kit
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Date: Tuesday, December 4, 2012, 3:59 PM

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HELLO:
Returning member with request. Was fortunate to obtain NOS vintage HO Mantua 0-6-0T 3 or 4 years ago. A family member's unexpected serious illness, ended all hobby work for awhile. Am now trying to restart small HO switching pike. Would really like to add valve gear to my loco, if possible. Any help really appreciated. TTFN & MERRY CHRISTMAS!
.....Old Tom aka papasmurf in NH


Re: Closing collection

Long95209
 

I'll second that thought . Henry H.

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Kathie Long" <TwoGriffs@...> wrote:

Jim,

Don't you dare sign off here. You are now moving into a period of advising,
providing historical info for vintage HO, and showing how it's done with
your picture portfolios.

You are now a sage, good friend.

Denis


Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

Long95209
 

Hi Vic ,Bob . Here's my nickel's worth , a lot of the Southern Green dilema could be the primer undercoat ?? The Lime Green Pacific in the Smithsonian is nothing short of beautiful . Let your conscience guide you fellers ! Henry H.

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Victor Bitleris <bitlerisvj@...> wrote:


Hi Bob,While I agree that the lighter green on Southern steam engines looks toy like, I understand from reading various accounts and one article I have from Mainline Modeler that indicates that many Southern engines, even the switchers used in passenger train yards were painted a lime green of sorts. Personally, I really don't like it and opt to go with black. I do understand that the beautiful Southern Green and Gold pacifics were actually painted a very nice dark green color and not the "lime green".

Vic Bitleris
Raleigh, NC

To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: rrdeffinger@...
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 01:44:06 -0500
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash





























Thanks for the compliments!
I did repaint it a darker green, but not as dark as I first did. The lighter green looked a little toy like.
The Southern RR painted the piping green on their engines but the Great Northern didn't.
I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better.
I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do.
And then try to install a decoder!
Bob D.

To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: sprinthag@...
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:54:28 -0600
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash


























Bob,
Nice work! It really looks great. You've done a good job of matching the prototype. I'd suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That'll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit. John Hagen From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc.
Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers.
Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better.
Any opinions of the color?
Still have more to do.
Bob D.


Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

 

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Hi Bob,
While I agree that the lighter green on Southern steam engines looks toy like, I understand from reading various accounts and one article I have from Mainline Modeler that indicates that many Southern engines, even the switchers used in passenger train yards were painted a lime green of sorts. ?Personally, I really don't like it and opt to go with black. ?I do understand that the beautiful Southern Green and Gold pacifics were actually painted a very nice dark green color and not the "lime green".

Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC


To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: rrdeffinger@...
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 01:44:06 -0500
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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Thanks for the compliments!
I did repaint it a?darker green, but not as dark as I first did.? The lighter green looked a little toy like.
The Southern RR painted the piping green on their engines but the Great Northern didn't.
I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better.
I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do.?
And then try to install a decoder!
Bob D.
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To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: sprinthag@...
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:54:28 -0600
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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Nice work! It really looks great. You¡¯ve done a good job of matching the prototype.

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I¡¯d suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That¡¯ll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit.

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From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc.
Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers.
Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better.
Any opinions of the color?
Still have more to do.
Bob D.




Seeking HO Mantua 0-6-0T valve gear kit

 

HELLO:
Returning member with request. Was fortunate to obtain NOS vintage HO Mantua 0-6-0T 3 or 4 years ago. A family member's unexpected serious illness, ended all hobby work for awhile. Am now trying to restart small HO switching pike. Would really like to add valve gear to my loco, if possible. Any help really appreciated. TTFN & MERRY CHRISTMAS!
.....Old Tom aka papasmurf in NH


Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

 

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Thanks for the compliments!
I did repaint it a?darker green, but not as dark as I first did.? The lighter green looked a little toy like.
The Southern RR painted the piping green on their engines but the Great Northern didn't.
I like the piping better not painted green. They show up better.
I also am replacing the boiler front with a brass one. Still have more to do.?
And then try to install a decoder!
Bob D.
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To: yardbirdtrains@...
From: sprinthag@...
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:54:28 -0600
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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Bob,

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Nice work! It really looks great. You¡¯ve done a good job of matching the prototype.

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I¡¯d suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That¡¯ll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit.

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John Hagen

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From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

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I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc.
Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers.
Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better.
Any opinions of the color?
Still have more to do.
Bob D.



Re: Closing collection

Kathie Long
 

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Jim,

Don't you dare sign off here.? You are now moving into a period of advising, providing historical info for vintage HO, and showing how it's done with your picture portfolios.

You are now a sage, good friend.

Denis

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Re: Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

Karen M Miller
 

I'll have to go on a hunt at the train store "junk bin" next time.
Donovan



From: Mike
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Mon, December 3, 2012 9:09:48 AM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

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Just think of it as being one of the larger 4-6-0's. They came in a wide range of sizes.

Borrow a steamer cab from any other Mantua steamer and try it in place of the original cab. That will be more to scale and you'll likely like the improvement in looks. Get a scale cab for it and trim the walkway to fit the scale cab width.

Put one of the MDC/ roundhouse tenders behind it and you'll have a more modern 4-6-0 steamer with no major problems. The MDC tenders are just right for a smaller lokie like your 4-6-0.

Mike Bauers, on the phone ....

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., ebtnut@... wrote:
>
>
> I don't know how much of an issue this is for you, but the Tyco Ten-Wheeler is actually oversize for its prototype; in fact it is almost S scale. A number on Sn3 modelers have taken that model and regauged the wheels to make a very credible Sn3 4-6-0.
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> DM
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karen M Miller
> To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 10:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes
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> It's okay looking but missing a smoke stack and a tender. I got it for free from a friend who was modernizing his fleet.
> Donovan
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> From: J Dam
> To: "yardbirdtrains@..." <yardbirdtrains@...>
> Sent: Sun, December 2, 2012 9:02:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes
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> I could picture that 4-6-0 as a good re-modernize kitbash, a free lance railway, a BTTF 3 steamer or a good start for a On30 kit bash. Being the spirit of '76 and if paint and all is near mint, I say leave it alone for any type of repaint and so on.
>
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> From: Mike Bauers
> To: "yardbirdtrains@..." <yardbirdtrains@...>
> Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes
>
>
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> That 4-6-0 was in active duty on the Seirra Railroad (I think my spelling is wrong) up to today and was used as a movie prop in every RR scheme you can dream up.
>
> The Milwaukee Road still had several branch lines with rather light bridges that were operated with a fleet of 4-6-0's into the 60's.
>
> But there it gets to be different 4-6-0's. While the Milw was using Ten Wheelers, they were very similar to the taller Ten Wheelers just like the AHM Rogers built 4-6-0's, AHM named as the Casey Jones. But with different tenders and no fancy clerestory on the cab roof.
>
> There were a number of roads running that Mantua type of 4-6-0 in tourist operations by the 60's-70's .
>
> How about a revenue generating tourist or special run operation with that 4-6-0?
>
> Label it for whatever road and operate it as a special.
>
> There was a sister to the Mantua 4-6-0 that was rebuilt for special company event trains and as the trains became more and more popular, that steam engine got a wood box encased diesel control stand and two ornatedly decorated F-7 cabless B units between it and the train to do the actual hauling of the train. The lovingly cared for steamer made smoke and noise for the show trains and most people thought the two F-7B's behind it were just generator units for the long passenger train.
>
> Mike Bauers
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> On Dec 2, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Karen M" wrote:
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> > I was given a Mantua 4-6-0 in the Spirit of '76 yesterday and am wishing to repaint it. I wish to know of any railroads that had them in the late 1940's or early 1950's and/or what other schemes Mantua/Tyco had for them.
> >
>


Re: Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

 

Just think of it as being one of the larger 4-6-0's. They came in a wide range of sizes.

Borrow a steamer cab from any other Mantua steamer and try it in place of the original cab. That will be more to scale and you'll likely like the improvement in looks. Get a scale cab for it and trim the walkway to fit the scale cab width.

Put one of the MDC/ roundhouse tenders behind it and you'll have a more modern 4-6-0 steamer with no major problems. The MDC tenders are just right for a smaller lokie like your 4-6-0.

Mike Bauers, on the phone ....

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., ebtnut@... wrote:


I don't know how much of an issue this is for you, but the Tyco Ten-Wheeler is actually oversize for its prototype; in fact it is almost S scale. A number on Sn3 modelers have taken that model and regauged the wheels to make a very credible Sn3 4-6-0.

DM



-----Original Message-----
From: Karen M Miller <kmmpjm@...>
To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes





It's okay looking but missing a smoke stack and a tender. I got it for free from a friend who was modernizing his fleet.
Donovan





From: J Dam <jdam35@...>
To: "yardbirdtrains@..." <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Sun, December 2, 2012 9:02:29 PM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes




I could picture that 4-6-0 as a good re-modernize kitbash, a free lance railway, a BTTF 3 steamer or a good start for a On30 kit bash. Being the spirit of '76 and if paint and all is near mint, I say leave it alone for any type of repaint and so on.




From: Mike Bauers <mwbauers55@...>
To: "yardbirdtrains@..." <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes



That 4-6-0 was in active duty on the Seirra Railroad (I think my spelling is wrong) up to today and was used as a movie prop in every RR scheme you can dream up.

The Milwaukee Road still had several branch lines with rather light bridges that were operated with a fleet of 4-6-0's into the 60's.

But there it gets to be different 4-6-0's. While the Milw was using Ten Wheelers, they were very similar to the taller Ten Wheelers just like the AHM Rogers built 4-6-0's, AHM named as the Casey Jones. But with different tenders and no fancy clerestory on the cab roof.

There were a number of roads running that Mantua type of 4-6-0 in tourist operations by the 60's-70's .

How about a revenue generating tourist or special run operation with that 4-6-0?

Label it for whatever road and operate it as a special.

There was a sister to the Mantua 4-6-0 that was rebuilt for special company event trains and as the trains became more and more popular, that steam engine got a wood box encased diesel control stand and two ornatedly decorated F-7 cabless B units between it and the train to do the actual hauling of the train. The lovingly cared for steamer made smoke and noise for the show trains and most people thought the two F-7B's behind it were just generator units for the long passenger train.

Mike Bauers
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 2, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Karen M" <mailto:kmmpjm%40sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I was given a Mantua 4-6-0 in the Spirit of '76 yesterday and am wishing to repaint it. I wish to know of any railroads that had them in the late 1940's or early 1950's and/or what other schemes Mantua/Tyco had for them.


Re: Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

 

I don't know how much of an issue this is for you, but the Tyco Ten-Wheeler is actually oversize for its prototype; in fact it is almost S scale.? A number on Sn3 modelers have taken that model and regauged the wheels to make a very credible Sn3 4-6-0.?
?
DM


-----Original Message-----
From: Karen M Miller
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

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It's okay looking but missing a smoke stack and a tender. I got it for free from a friend who was modernizing his fleet.
Donovan



From: J Dam <jdam35@...>
To: "yardbirdtrains@..." <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Sun, December 2, 2012 9:02:29 PM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes

?
I could picture that 4-6-0 as a good re-modernize kitbash, a free lance railway, a BTTF 3 steamer or a good start for a On30 kit bash. Being the spirit of '76 and if paint and all is near mint, I say leave it alone for any type of repaint and so on.

From: Mike Bauers <mwbauers55@...>
To: "yardbirdtrains@..." <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 4-6-0 Prototypes
?
That 4-6-0 was in active duty on the Seirra Railroad (I think my spelling is wrong) up to today and was used as a movie prop in every RR scheme you can dream up.

The Milwaukee Road still had several branch lines with rather light bridges that were operated with a fleet of 4-6-0's into the 60's.

But there it gets to be different 4-6-0's. While the Milw was using Ten Wheelers, they were very similar to the taller Ten Wheelers just like the AHM Rogers built 4-6-0's, AHM named as the Casey Jones. But with different tenders and no fancy clerestory on the cab roof.

There were a number of roads running that Mantua type of 4-6-0 in tourist operations by the 60's-70's .

How about a revenue generating tourist or special run operation with that 4-6-0?

Label it for whatever road and operate it as a special.

There was a sister to the Mantua 4-6-0 that was rebuilt for special company event trains and as the trains became more and more popular, that steam engine got a wood box encased diesel control stand and two ornatedly decorated F-7 cabless B units between it and the train to do the actual hauling of the train. The lovingly cared for steamer made smoke and noise for the show trains and most people thought the two F-7B's behind it were just generator units for the long passenger train.

Mike Bauers


On Dec 2, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Karen M" <mailto:kmmpjm%40sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I was given a Mantua 4-6-0 in the Spirit of '76 yesterday and am wishing to repaint it. I wish to know of any railroads that had them in the late 1940's or early 1950's and/or what other schemes Mantua/Tyco had for them.
>


Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

Kathie Long
 

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Aha! ?

Where the " Southern cross the Yellow Dog ".

Denis


Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

Long95209
 

Wow ! Bob , you've done great work here . To say that it's "unusual" would be an understatement ! Great work Bob . Henry H.

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "John Hagen" <sprinthag@...> wrote:

Bob,



Nice work! It really looks great. You've done a good job of matching the
prototype.



I'd suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with
some white added. That'll make all the added detail more visible especially
if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to
make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker
green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit.



John Hagen



From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...]
On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash





I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus &
Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I
got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping,
stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler
backhead, etc.
Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it
doesn't hit the drivers.
Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed
too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too
light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it
so the piping showed up better.
Any opinions of the color?
Still have more to do.
Bob D.


Re: Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

 

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Bob,

?

Nice work! It really looks great. You¡¯ve done a good job of matching the prototype.

?

I¡¯d suggest using something like a weathered black, basically a black with some white added. That¡¯ll make all the added detail more visible especially if you further weather it with chalks or dry brushing some lighter grays to make it resemble the weathered finish of the prototype. Actually the darker green may have been okay if it was weathered up a bit.

?

John Hagen

?

From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 6:56 PM
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Ft Smith & Western RR 2-8-2 kitbash

?

?

I started a new album of a Ft Smith & Western RR, later Columbus & Greenville RR 2-8-2 that I am kitbashing. Started with an IHC 0-8-0 that I got off Ebay cheap because the front pilot was broken.
I striped everything off the boiler, and added new domes, walkways, piping, stack, new cab, brakes, lead and trailing trucks, scratchbuilt boiler backhead, etc.
Still working on the trailing truck, have to grind off the sides so it doesn't hit the drivers.
Can't decide on the boiler color. Had it dark pullman green, but it seemed too dark. So I tried a lighter Great Northern green, but that might be too light. It looks like the phototypes boiler was just basic black. I wanted it so the piping showed up better.
Any opinions of the color?
Still have more to do.
Bob D.