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Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?

 

None the less.. It is neat to look at. It might be fun to model and if done well, it?definitely?would become a nice conversation piece of any layout/collection.?
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Sean

"If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti!


From: Long95209
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:30 AM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?

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I agree guys , this design has "issues" , all large and possibly deadly ? Easier , safer to ride in comfort in the office car . Henry

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., ebtnut@... wrote:
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> Yes, definently an inspection loco. I agree that the inspection cab location was problematic. Most inspection engines from that time period had a coach-type body mounted over the boiler - sort of like an extended camelback. Red Ball, for one, did a brass inspection engine back in the late '60's/early '70's in HO.
>
> DM
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lnnrr
> To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 15, 2012 11:06 pm
> Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?
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> I seem to recall that picture having also appeared in Railroad Magazine where it was called an inspection locomotive. Nowadays
> such inspections seem to be done from cars with a glass rear
> window and theater seating. Having seen pictures of other
> inspection locomotives, evidently it was usual in earlier days
> to inspect from the front. Perhaps some V.P. caught a bull in
> his lap, a fashion changing event, being that V.P.s more often
> hand out the bull than receive it.
> Chuck Peck
>
> --- In yardbirdtrains@..., Sean Naylor wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys.
> >
> >
> > I purchased a July 1956 MR for the 0-4-0 booster Industrial tank loco article and I discovered this picture while going through it and was wondering if anyone has ever heard of this loco and knows anything about it. It looks pretty cool to model.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti!
> >
>




Re: Tyco Smoker Question

Long95209
 

If you can find the website for Seuthe'[??] ? Use the fluid "sparingly" ? If you use too much it won't "fire up" . It's been way too many years , but , the length of the wire in the stack had something to do with it as well ? Anyone ?? Henry

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., aagjr49@... <AAGJR49@...> wrote:

Any time you oil a " sluth" unit use your fluid sparingly and less is more! Is it with on/ off capabilies! Does it puff? Don't overfill and watch for smoke before more is added!
:-) l
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Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?

 

Most likely inspection runs were conducted at low speeds that were essential for proper examination of the new trackage.

So a front observation deck on a line where other traffic was shut down would have worked out just fine for inspections of a few miles at a time for the day.

Mike Bauers, on da phone...

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Long95209" <long95209@...> wrote:

I agree guys , this design has "issues" , all large and possibly deadly ? Easier , safer to ride in comfort in the office car . Henry

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., ebtnut@ wrote:


Yes, definently an inspection loco. I agree that the inspection cab location was problematic. Most inspection engines from that time period had a coach-type body mounted over the boiler - sort of like an extended camelback. Red Ball, for one, did a brass inspection engine back in the late '60's/early '70's in HO.

DM



-----Original Message-----
From: lnnrr <lnnrr@>
To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Thu, Nov 15, 2012 11:06 pm
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?




I seem to recall that picture having also appeared in Railroad Magazine where it was called an inspection locomotive. Nowadays
such inspections seem to be done from cars with a glass rear
window and theater seating. Having seen pictures of other
inspection locomotives, evidently it was usual in earlier days
to inspect from the front. Perhaps some V.P. caught a bull in
his lap, a fashion changing event, being that V.P.s more often
hand out the bull than receive it.
Chuck Peck

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Sean Naylor <a69mustang4me@> wrote:

Hey guys.


I purchased a July 1956 MR for the 0-4-0 booster Industrial tank loco article and I discovered this picture while going through it and was wondering if anyone has ever heard of this loco and knows anything about it. It looks pretty cool to model.

Sean


"If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti!


Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?

 

If anyone would like to model an inspection engine, one of the most interesting is the Reading "Black Diamond," a 2-2-2T built in 1889 by Baldwin:



Dennis K


From: Mike
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 12:56 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?

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Most likely inspection runs were conducted at low speeds that were essential for proper examination of the new trackage.

So a front observation deck on a line where other traffic was shut down would have worked out just fine for inspections of a few miles at a time for the day.

Mike Bauers, on da phone...

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Long95209" wrote:
>
> I agree guys , this design has "issues" , all large and possibly deadly ? Easier , safer to ride in comfort in the office car . Henry
>
> --- In yardbirdtrains@..., ebtnut@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yes, definently an inspection loco. I agree that the inspection cab location was problematic. Most inspection engines from that time period had a coach-type body mounted over the boiler - sort of like an extended camelback. Red Ball, for one, did a brass inspection engine back in the late '60's/early '70's in HO.
> >
> > DM
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lnnrr
> > To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
> > Sent: Thu, Nov 15, 2012 11:06 pm
> > Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I seem to recall that picture having also appeared in Railroad Magazine where it was called an inspection locomotive. Nowadays
> > such inspections seem to be done from cars with a glass rear
> > window and theater seating. Having seen pictures of other
> > inspection locomotives, evidently it was usual in earlier days
> > to inspect from the front. Perhaps some V.P. caught a bull in
> > his lap, a fashion changing event, being that V.P.s more often
> > hand out the bull than receive it.
> > Chuck Peck
> >
> > --- In yardbirdtrains@..., Sean Naylor > > >
> > > Hey guys.
> > >
> > >
> > > I purchased a July 1956 MR for the 0-4-0 booster Industrial tank loco article and I discovered this picture while going through it and was wondering if anyone has ever heard of this loco and knows anything about it. It looks pretty cool to model.
> > >
> > > Sean
> > >
> > >
> > > "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti!
> > >
> >
>




Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?

 

I'd like to......

I'd prefer to use a pair of the Flea add-on gearboxes for it. But those are out of production for retooling. I think the works from the N-scale Kato pocket drive would work as the core motor and gearing. The price is modest.

There is a yahoo group for this Inspector that is loaded with drawings and detail shots of her. I really should build some of these. It's on The List....

Mike Bauers, On da phone....

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Dennis Kunkel <dtkunkel@...> wrote:

If anyone would like to model an inspection engine, one of the most interesting is the Reading "Black Diamond," a 2-2-2T built in 1889 by Baldwin:



Dennis K


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From: Mike <mwbauers55@...>
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 12:56 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?


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Most likely inspection runs were conducted at low speeds that were essential for proper examination of the new trackage.

So a front observation deck on a line where other traffic was shut down would have worked out just fine for inspections of a few miles at a time for the day.

Mike Bauers, on da phone...

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Long95209" <long95209@> wrote:

I agree guys , this design has "issues" , all large and possibly deadly ? Easier , safer to ride in comfort in the office car . Henry

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., ebtnut@ wrote:


Yes, definently an inspection loco. I agree that the inspection cab location was problematic. Most inspection engines from that time period had a coach-type body mounted over the boiler - sort of like an extended camelback. Red Ball, for one, did a brass inspection engine back in the late '60's/early '70's in HO.

DM



-----Original Message-----
From: lnnrr <lnnrr@>
To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Thu, Nov 15, 2012 11:06 pm
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?




I seem to recall that picture having also appeared in Railroad Magazine where it was called an inspection locomotive. Nowadays
such inspections seem to be done from cars with a glass rear
window and theater seating. Having seen pictures of other
inspection locomotives, evidently it was usual in earlier days
to inspect from the front. Perhaps some V.P. caught a bull in
his lap, a fashion changing event, being that V.P.s more often
hand out the bull than receive it.
Chuck Peck

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Sean Naylor <a69mustang4me@> wrote:

Hey guys.


I purchased a July 1956 MR for the 0-4-0 booster Industrial tank loco article and I discovered this picture while going through it and was wondering if anyone has ever heard of this loco and knows anything about it. It looks pretty cool to model.

Sean


"If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti!


Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?

 

Dennis, where did they store the fuel? Was there ever a tender in tow?

Nelson

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Dennis Kunkel <dtkunkel@...> wrote:

If anyone would like to model an inspection engine, one of the most interesting is the Reading "Black Diamond," a 2-2-2T built in 1889 by Baldwin:



Dennis K


Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?

 

Since the wheel arrangement is given as 2-2-2T, the fuel (most likely anthracite coal, as this was a Reading engine) would have been stored in a bunker within the enclosed area.? Since the inspection engine ran by itself and did not pull any cars, the engine would not have used very much fuel.? The boiler was also probably quite small.? The cylinder size is shown as 8.25 inch diameter x 8.5 inch stroke, for a swept volume of 454.4 cubic inches.? Compare this to a USRA light Mikado, which had 28 inch diameter x 30 inch stroke cylinders, for a swept volume of 18472.6 cubic inches, more than 40 times the displacement per stroke of the Black Diamond (and the cylinders are filled 4 times per wheel revolution).? The drivers on the Black Diamond are only 42 inch diameter, while the drivers on the USRA light Mike are 63 inch diameter, so the Mike travels 1.5 times as far per wheel revolution, but you can still see that the steam needs for the Black Diamond were quite modest in comparison with a road locomotive.

Dennis K


From: Nelson
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:33 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?

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Dennis, where did they store the fuel? Was there ever a tender in tow?

Nelson

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Dennis Kunkel wrote:
>
> If anyone would like to model an inspection engine, one of the most interesting is the Reading "Black Diamond," a 2-2-2T built in 1889 by Baldwin:
>
> http://www.readingrailroad.org/profiles/rdg_profile_steam_diamond.html
>
> Dennis K




Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?

Long95209
 

P&R 2-2-2T telescope that roof forward to coal her up ? Really snazzy little loco . Henry H

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Dennis Kunkel <dtkunkel@...> wrote:

Since the wheel arrangement is given as 2-2-2T, the fuel (most likely anthracite coal, as this was a Reading engine) would have been stored in a bunker within the enclosed area.?? Since the inspection engine ran by itself and did not pull any cars, the engine would not have used very much fuel.?? The boiler was also probably quite small.?? The cylinder size is shown as 8.25 inch diameter x 8.5 inch stroke, for a swept volume of 454.4 cubic inches.?? Compare this to a USRA light Mikado, which had 28 inch diameter x 30 inch stroke cylinders, for a swept volume of 18472.6 cubic inches, more than 40 times the displacement per stroke of the Black Diamond (and the cylinders are filled 4 times per wheel revolution).?? The drivers on the Black Diamond are only 42 inch diameter, while the drivers on the USRA light Mike are 63 inch diameter, so the Mike travels 1.5 times as far per wheel revolution, but you can still see that the steam needs for the Black Diamond
were quite modest in comparison with a road locomotive.


Dennis K



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From: Nelson <greenbrier614@...>
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:33 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?


??
Dennis, where did they store the fuel? Was there ever a tender in tow?

Nelson

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Dennis Kunkel <dtkunkel@> wrote:

If anyone would like to model an inspection engine, one of the most interesting is the Reading "Black Diamond," a 2-2-2T built in 1889 by Baldwin:



Dennis K


Re: Tyco Smoker Question

Kathie Long
 

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If you go too light with the oil, it won't smoke, and you may assume it isn't working.? I'd start with four drops.

Denis


Re: Has anyone ever seen a cab forward General?

 

The Black Diamond still exists, and is currently in St. Louis at the Museum of Transportation (along with a WHOLE bunch of other neat stuff) ?Try a simple google search for "Reading Black Diamond" and you should come up with a bunch of pictures.
JBB


Welcome to our newest member .

Long95209
 

Welcome conrailkid railroadredman@... to our group . Browse through the member's photo albums , some great work in them . Again , welcome to the group .
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Have a Happy Thanksgiving everyone !!

Long95209
 

Enjoy the day , time with loved ones , all precious memories ! Godspeed to all the travelers , be careful . Henry H.


Wecome to our newest member !

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Welcome to our newest member . Welcome kmmpjm@... to our group . Please feel free to browse the members photo albums , ask questions ? Again Welcome , Henry H. moderator


Welcome to our newest member .

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Welcome wln17@... to our group . Fell free to browse photo albums , soome good works in those . Feel free to ask questions , browse old topics . Again welcome to our group . Henry H. moderator


Re: Welcome to our newest member .

Karen M Miller
 

Thanks for the warm welcome.
Donovan Miller


From: Long95209 To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 12:00:04 AM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Welcome to our newest member .

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Welcome wln17@... to our group . Fell free to browse photo albums , soome good works in those . Feel free to ask questions , browse old topics . Again welcome to our group . Henry H. moderator


Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas

Karen M
 

I'm in the midddle of building my seccond Mantua 2-8-2 and have no clue what to make it. The other is a freelanced Union Pacific mikado with the stock boiler and some added parts from Yardbird. Any ideas on what to make the seccond one?


Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas

Long95209
 

Lots of leeway on the stock boiler . New York Central H5 class , Nickle Plate H5 class ? The NKP is a copy of the New York Central . Go to fallen flags railroad pictures to reference them . Henry H.

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Karen M" <kmmpjm@...> wrote:

I'm in the midddle of building my seccond Mantua 2-8-2 and have no clue what to make it. The other is a freelanced Union Pacific mikado with the stock boiler and some added parts from Yardbird. Any ideas on what to make the seccond one?


Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas

 

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We have a local train run around here called the Skunk Train which runs from Willits to Ft. Bragg on the Mendocino coast. Google it, I have always wanted to model that.

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David

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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas

Karen M Miller
 

I'll have to look into that. Thanks for the sugestion.
Donovan


From: David Rhoades
To: "yardbirdtrains@..."
Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 5:38:34 PM
Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas

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We have a local train run around here called the Skunk Train which runs from Willits to Ft. Bragg on the Mendocino coast. Google it, I have always wanted to model that.

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David

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Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas

Karen M Miller
 

Thanks for the sugestions. I'll have to look at one of my dad's books. He's a New York Central buff.
Donovan


From: Long95209
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Wed, November 28, 2012 5:36:36 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Mantua 2-8-2 mikado Ideas

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Lots of leeway on the stock boiler . New York Central H5 class , Nickle Plate H5 class ? The NKP is a copy of the New York Central . Go to fallen flags railroad pictures to reference them . Henry H.

--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Karen M" wrote:
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> I'm in the midddle of building my seccond Mantua 2-8-2 and have no clue what to make it. The other is a freelanced Union Pacific mikado with the stock boiler and some added parts from Yardbird. Any ideas on what to make the seccond one?
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