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FW: [YardbirdTrains] Mantua Motor

Paul Kayne
 

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Paul Kayne
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 2:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Mantua Motor

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Need a Replacement motor for Early Mantua Reading Goat

Original motor? # 724, PM-1

Paul Kayne

Mantua Motor

Paul Kayne
 

Need a Replacement motor for Early Mantua Reading Goat

Original motor? # 724, PM-1

Paul Kayne
MDC HOn3 Rod Locos

 

I asked this a couple of years ago, didn't get an answer for the 2-8-0's.

I need to get a few regear kits for my unbuilt MDC kits.? NWSL has a a kit that fits 1998 and later kits.??But how does one tell which are pre-19998 and which are post-1998?? Are all brown flat boxes pre-1998?
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Any help would be appreciated ...
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Mike Conder
Re: Clearing out

 

Dave, am very interested in an "Old Lady."? And if the price is kinda low, one each of the others (unless the fever subsides)...I

"restored Varney Old Lady 2-8-0's, Mantua Version 2 Mikados, Penn Line mini disesemal, Mantua 0-6-0, Athearn Erie PA and PB, Athearn Hustler, new IHC steamer in box" [if purple box SP 2-6-0]

I have a sister that lives in Bonney Lake, WA.

Mike Nickerson
Living in the biggest Concord in the USA - ?It is just overshadowed by the large-type "Oakland" on?so?many maps. ?(San Francisco Bay Area of California)


On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 03:48:59 AM PST, toptrain2100 via groups.io <toptrain2100@...> wrote:


Dave do you have any C&O Lionel FA locos?
frank? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? toptrain1@...

Re: Clearing out

toptrain2100
 

Dave do you have any C&O Lionel FA locos?
frank? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? toptrain1@...
Yardbirds

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Would like to join this group the gain information on yardbirds
Re: Looking for a Mantua bearing

 

Dave,

This is a possibility but making one of these bearings is the last resort for me. I have plenty of projects to keep me busy until one of them turns up and sooner or later it will.

John Bopp
Re: Looking for a Mantua bearing

 

McMaster-Carr has close:
For 3/32" Shaft Dia.
1/4" 1/4" 46 lbs. @ 120 rpm Lubricated SAE 30 Oil -35° to 300° 15.78


You can get them in about any length, but 1/4" is good, file down close, they use thrust washers anyway to set them up. Use the un-files side for thrust.

chuck them up in a tight fitting bolt, use a Dremel and round the outside to match you existing with a file.

Looking more, as $15.78 for one is a tad steep.
Re: Looking for a Mantua bearing

 

Agreed, probably not Mantua. And, yes, Dan would have had them.

John Bopp
Re: Looking for a Mantua bearing

 

I found two in the bin.

Shaft that fits is .101", OD is .230, length is .155.

So probably not for the Mantuas.
Re: Looking for a Mantua bearing

 

When I restored my three, I found parts locos....didn't mind stripping out a Zamac-Rot chassis.
Let me look in the parts bin.
If Dan was still around, he'd have had them.

-----Original Message-----
From: John <jbopp007@...>
Sent: Dec 20, 2020 5:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Looking for a Mantua bearing

Dave,

Thanks for the tip on the early Mantua Mike. It's not one I'm familiar with so I didn't realize it also has the 6303 bearing. I'll keep an eye out for one but I'd still like to find just one bearing. If I steal one from something else then whatever that is will be short a part so it won't be useable. I'm really trying to cut down on the incomplete projects I have!

John Bopp
Re: Looking for a Mantua bearing

 

Dave,

Thanks for the tip on the early Mantua Mike. It's not one I'm familiar with so I didn't realize it also has the 6303 bearing. I'll keep an eye out for one but I'd still like to find just one bearing. If I steal one from something else then whatever that is will be short a part so it won't be useable. I'm really trying to cut down on the incomplete projects I have!

John Bopp
Re: Looking for a Mantua bearing

 

The size you gave looked familiar. I just checked, the Version one and Version 2 Mikado (gearbox bolts down to the frame) is a 6303 at both ends.


I have three of these engines, restored. not sure about parts. I can dig through my stuff, but a broken Version 2 Mike is probably a lot easier to find for that part!

If I recall, there is a slot, depression, divot on one side of the outer ball that fits against a ridge to keep it from spinning.

Dave
Re: Henry Hultgren

 

Getting to that point. The 3-rail is staying in the basement, the LS outside...even tho with lockdowns haven't had a revenue run in 11-1/2 months.

I've got what I thought was over 30 restored engines, but I forgot the box of Lionel FA and FB units.
Probably close to 40, 30 restored, glass beaded, filed parting lines, flash removed, parts from Dan where needed, pinted, lubed and track tested.
I gotta thin something out!

Older Mantua die cast steamers, latest one I bought new in the Navy in....1970? 0-6-0.
LOTS of Varney, steam and F units, Penn Line, two English Yardbirds (one in the family since new), couple of Docksiders, Athearn 0-4-2T, 0-6-0, dual geared Geep and who knows how many freight cars.
I started to make lists years ago, not at all inclusive. no way to ship it all. Can you imagine a Varney Old Lady with cowcatcher busted, whistle snapped off....so it's local, figure, looking at prices, 3500 and we talk.

If Dan was still around, I'd still be restoring them!

?I grabbed three files and posted below of rolling stock.

Dave

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SilverStreak:
SilverStreak?cupola caboose NP red?????????????????????????S-111. 113 Red NP 1600 series #1600
SilverStreak?cupola caboose???????????????????????????????? ??? S-101, unlettered 3-window?
SilverStreak 40' boxcar Chicago Outer Belt EJ&E?????S-208,? green boxcar.?? wood road number #60357
SilverStreak 40' autobox unlettered?????????????????????????? S-300 series, (1959 catalog), suspect repaint
SilverStreak Southern 40' auto boxcar????????????????????? S-301 (1959 catalog)??? wood road number #148256
SilverStreak Union Pacific 40' boxcar?????????????????????? S-201? (1959 catalog)?? wood road number #68151
SilverStreak Northern Pacific boxcar??????????????????????? S-702? (1959 catalog)?? wood road number?#38572
SilverStreak CONOCO Tank Car????????????????????????????? SS-601? (1950 catalog)?? road number #593
SilverStreak TEXACO Tank Car????????????????????????????? ?SS-601? (1950 catalog)?? road number #7197? (2)
SilverStreak Burlington Reefer wood sides.???????????? S-414??? (1960 catalog)? BREX,?road number?#75423 Refrigerator Express
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Refrigerator Express
BREX,?road number?75423
Roundhouse/MDC:
Roundhouse Great Northern 40' box???????????????????? ?B-602?(1953 catalog)?? metal road number #44070
Roundhouse M-K-T 40' boxcar (yellow)????????????????? B-310? (1953 catalog)???metal road number #79812
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Varney:
B-12 N&W wagon-top boxcar relettered ERIE????????? 1939 catalog
B-28 C&NW autobox (brown)??????????????????????????????????1947 catalog???????????????? ?road number #51998??
B-29 UP 40' box (brown)????????????????????? ?????????????????? 1941 catalog???????????? ??road number #183950
B-30 SP Overnight Merch??????????????????????????????????? ?? 1948 catalog????????????? ?road number #9134
B-36 GN?Boxcar (silver)????????????????????????????????????????? 1947 catalog?????????????? road number #2500?
B-60 Rock Island (silver)???????????????????????????????????????? 1950 catalog?????????????? road number #20069
B-64 ATSF?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????1951-1954?????????????? ? road number #275168
B-65 ACL?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 1951-1954??????????????? ?road number #21001
B-70 SLSF???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 1955 catalog???????????? ??road number #17774
B-77 State of Maine???????????????????????????????????????????? ? 1955 catalog, 1957?? ?road number #5047?? (have 1)
B-81 New Haven??????????????????????????????????????????????????? 1957 catalog????????????? ?road number #30862? (have 1)
H-14?PRR hopper?????????????????????????????????????????????????? 1955 catalog????????????? ?road number #254252
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R-2?? Santa Fe Reefer??(Orange)???????????????????????? 1947 catalog???????????????? ?road number ?#16147? wood and cardboard
RW3 Carnation Reefer???????????????????????????????????????? 1955 catalog, 1957?????? road number #23100
R-11 Blatz Beer???????????????????????????????????????????????????? 1947 catalog???????????????? road number #23104
R-16 Illinois Central (green/yellow)????????????????????? 1947 catalog???????????????? road number #50200
R-26 Fruit Growers?????????????????????????????????????????????? 1950 catalog????????????????? road number #39780
R-40 Northern Pacific Reefer (yellow)??????????????? 1955 catalog, 1957???? ? road number #91072? (have 2)
R-45 Northern Pacific Reefer (silver)????????????????? 1957 catalog???????????????? road number #100????? (have 1)
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T-8 BAY-SOL?Tank Car (green/yellow)??????????????????1957 catalog???????????????????? road number?#1956
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F-5 GN Flatcar (black)???????????????????????????????????????? 1947 catalog???????????????? road number#67023
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Mantua:
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Crazy Water Co. Reefer?????????????????? 313B, 1960 catalog, road number ART468 (X2F couplers, talgo)
PFE Western Pacific reefer????????????????????? 301, (9432 sides) 1948 catalog
GN Boxcar???kit 302??????????????????????????????? (9403 sides) 1948 catalog (2)
NYC Boxcar kit 302??????????????????????????????? (9405 sides)?1048 catalog
ATSF Flatcar (black)???????????????????????? 314C, 1962 catalog, road number 90806 (Mantua talgo couplers)
B&O Gondola (black???????????????????????? 310A, 1962 catalog, road number 250538 (Mantua talgo couplers)
GAEX Boxcar (green)????????????????????? ?311C, 1962 catalog, road number 100002 (Mantua talgo couplers)
B&M? Boxcar? (blue),??????????????????????? ?311G,?1962 catalog, road number 70056 (Mantua talgo couplers)
Berkshire Ham reefer,????????????????????? 301 with 9426 sides,1948 catalog? road # 2046?(Mantua body mounts) metal
North American Despatch (Yellow)?#6001?is a 1955-ish Mantua plastic reefer, with Red Ball (SVS 22) sides glued on.
Shell Tanker (orange),???????????????????? ?9444,??1947 catalog, road number 1240 (Mantua body mounts)
Valvoline Tanker (black)???????????????????303,???? 1941 and later catalog,? road number VDWX 836 (DeVore couplers)
Tank Car????????????????????????????????????????????? 303,??????1948 catalog
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Note: For Megow's Line, some part numbers listed in some catalogs as "QD-", others as "Q-".
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Fruit Grower's Express Reefer???? road number 52158
Q-3, Megow's Catalog, 1940
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E. Kahn's Reefer?????????????????????????? road number 1974
Q-5, Megow's Catalog, 1940
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Santa Fe Reefer?????????????????????????? road number 16142
Q-14, Megow 's Catalog
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Lackawanna Refrigerator Line?????road number 7209
Q-20, 1940 Megow catalog
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Gulf wood tank car????????????????????????road number 1580
Q-25, Megow's Catalog, 1940
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SP Boxcar?????????????????????????????????????road number 33135
Q-26, Megow's Catalog, 1940
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Comet wood and paper 46' flatcar (with 26 metal stakes)
Class FM,? 1939
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Comet wood and paper 46' flatcar (with 12 metal stakes)
C&NWRY, road number 42591
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Thomas- Brass APCO Petroleum tank car...

K-65 Hobbyline green TP&W boxcar?????????????????????1957 catalog
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Ulrich
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D&RGW outside braced boxcar???????????????????????????? OB-108
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GN outside-braced boxcar road number 31055?? OB-10 (series OB)? (3283H?)
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Outside-braced cattle car, unlettered???????????????????? (series SC)
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Composite Gondola,?????????????????????????????????????????????? (series CG) unlettered (kit #106) 1959 catalog
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Composite Gondola,?????????????????????????????????????????????? (series CG) CNJ(kit #106) 1959 catalog
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Composite Gondola,?????????????????????????????????????????????? (series CG) Rock Island (kit #106) 1959 catalog
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Track cleaning car (undec)???????????????????????????????????? (kit 105) 1959 catalog
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Drop bottom gondola,?????????????????????????????????????????????(kit 115) SP #91976 ,? 1959 catalog
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Walthers wood-bodied, metal-framed tank car.
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Armour Reefer, wood and paper, unknown
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A-C Models (1947 catalog) work/bunk car, unlettered,( I think )
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Revell:
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Soo Line long flatcar (brown),?????????????????????????? ?T4032, 1956 catalog, road number #4032
Heinz Pickle Car (brown) ,???????????????????????????????? T4130, 1958 catalog, road number #4130
ACL pulpwood car (brown),?????????????????????????????? T4150,?1958 catalog, road number #4150
N&W coal hopper (black),????????????????????????????????? T4042, 1958 catalog, road number #4042
Union Pacific Stock Car (yellow),????????????????????? T4020, 1958 catalog, road number #4020
SLSF Cable Reel Car (yellow),???????????????????????? T4140, 1958 catalog, road number #4140
CB&Q Hopper (red),(operating),?? ?????????????????? T4044, 1956 catalog, road number #4044
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Athearn

40' boxcar SAL?????????????????????????? ?(A-125) road number????????????????????????????????????????????1954 catalog
40' boxcar UP??????????????????? ????????? (A-127)? road number 184241?????????????????????????????1948 catalog
40' boxcar NYC Pacemeaker??? (A-178)? road number 174283?????????????????????????????1948 catalog, part number 1953
50' auto boxcar NP???????????????????? (1-330)? ?road number 39574???Menzies???????????????(based upon old Athearn design)
50' auto box SF Express??????????? (A-204)? road number 4147 green?????????????????????? 1948 catalog, part number 1952
50' auto box SF?Grand Canyon?(A-209)? road number 10220?tuscan???????????????????1948 catalog, part number 1952
50' auto box SF?El Capitan ?????? (A-207)? road number 10373 mineral red?????????? 1948 catalog, part number 1953
40' Reefer Swift???????????????????????? ? (A-409) road number 12009????????????????????????????????1948 catalog
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Henry Hultgren via groups.io"
Sent: Dec 17, 2020 12:10 PM
To: "[email protected]"
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Henry Hultgren

DAVE ! I'm still here , got lots of moderators . you're packin' up ? Sorry to hear hear? . Godspeed .

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 11:36:19 AM PST, Dave <woebegone@...> wrote:


Henry used to be the moderator of this group. Is he still around? Just interested is all.? Dave

Re: Henry Hultgren

 

DAVE ! I'm still here , got lots of moderators . you're packin' up ? Sorry to hear hear? . Godspeed .

On Thursday, December 17, 2020, 11:36:19 AM PST, Dave <woebegone@...> wrote:


Henry used to be the moderator of this group. Is he still around? Just interested is all.? Dave

Henry Hultgren

 

Henry used to be the moderator of this group. Is he still around? Just interested is all.? Dave
Clearing out

 

Age, storage, all that.

Half 0, mostly vintage, Roundhouse, Varney (including a dozen or so metal Varney high cars), Ulrich, some early cardstock Varney freight, restored Varney Old Lady 2-8-0's (3), Mantua Version 2 Mikados (3), Penn Line mini disesemal, Mantua 0-4-0's and 0-6-0, Athearn 0-4-2T, 0-6-0, Varney F units (some done, some glass beaded) mix of belt drive pulley and geared, English 0-4-0 (2), Mantua 4-8-0, one Brass NJ heavyweight obs, box of Lionel FA's, tested most of them, running, including one A-B set of SF blue and yellow, Athearn dual-geared Geep plus spare set of power trucks, Varney Docksiders (2), Varney SW, Athearn SW, Athearn Erie PA and PB, Rivarossi Heisler, Athearn Hustler, new IHC steamer in box, Silver Streak, vintage (working) power packs, plastic boxes of categorized parts, motors, gears, couplers, DeVore and MDC couplers, string of cars with Mantua couplers, bag of even more Mantua couplers, painted but unfinished Mantua Pacific kit, 1949 and earlier Varney sprung Super Mikado.

I have some lists.

Near Seattle, we can get together, no way I'm gonna box all this up.

Dave
Re: Looking for a set of Varney F Unit front* trucks...

 

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Spring drive, with three grooves, were on the three piece gear boxes, same as the Brute drivers.

The one piece gears boxes with the open bottoms (i.e. Walt Disney or Mickey Mouse) were the same for F units and switchers. Both trucks.

I did not realize that until maybe 25 years ago (My first HO loco was given to me for Christmas 1949 so 25 years is relatively recent) when a friend gave me a Varney eight wheel drive switcher and I didn’t understand why there was so little space between the trucks. My Athearn switcher and my friends Hobbytown/Cary SW1500 had much more space.

Duh, it only took about 10 seconds after looking at each from the underside to see why.

John Hagen

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of rcjge
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 8:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YardbirdTrains] Looking for a set of Varney F Unit front* trucks...

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Hi John,

Mine both; A&B units are spring belt models...
gonna mod them to power the front truck too on both.
Btw, is it true the front trucks on the Varney switcher
and F-units excluding the side frames are the same?

Thanks,
Jeff

Re: Looking for a set of Varney F Unit front* trucks...

 

Hi John,

Mine both; A&B units are spring belt models...
gonna mod them to power the front truck too on both.
Btw, is it true the front trucks on the Varney switcher
and F-units excluding the side frames are the same?

Thanks,
Jeff
Re: Looking for a set of Varney F Unit front* trucks...

 

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Brute drive or Walt Disney drive.

John Hagen

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of rcjge
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 10:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [YardbirdTrains] Looking for a set of Varney F Unit front* trucks...

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Hey Guys,

Anyone have a couple of Varney F Unit front* trucks

*so this is the truck that's geared that is driven off the rear truck via universal shaft.

Thanks,
Jeff

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