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Re: Who manufactured this HO 4-6-2?


 

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? ? ?First off, that is, definitely, a John English pacific. I've always liked the look of the JE mikados and pacifics and I've realized that it's their driver's that I like. They just look graceful to me. Elegant.

? ? ?Secondly, I'd like to clear up some confusion about the relationship between the John English/Hobbyline company and Bowser which is owned by a family named "English." Although the last names are the same,? the respective companies are not related. John English: Morrisville, PA.?
Lew English (Bowser): Montoursville, PA.?

? ? The lineage trees are as follows:?

John English / Hobbyline was bought by Lionel.

Bowser, Penn Line, Cary, Cal-scale, Selley, Pennsylvania Scale Models, part of Varney, Arbour Models were all bought by Lew English. Lee English would, later, purchase Stewart and add that to Bowser as well.?

The only related items between the two companies were the following:?

? ? ?Bowser L1 Mikado valve gear will fit a JE Mikado.?
? ? ?Also Lew English used a John English Yardbird as the starting point for his PRR A5 locomotive design. Although different in almost every way, the manner in which the rear of the frame of the Bowser A5 fits into a notch below the cab was copied almost exactly from the JE Yardbird.
? ? ?Lastly Penn Line bought the tooling for the boiler and tender shell of their H class 2-8-0 from John English. The original JE PRR consolidation was a conversion kit to be used with Varney parts. When Penn Line bought the boiler, they made their own chassis to go with it. Years later Penn Line went bankrupt and Lew English bought the PL stock and added it to Bowser which included what was once a JE boiler.

Jeff


On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 07:05:40 PM EST, Michael Nickerson via groups.io <michael4449@...> wrote:


I appreciate the wisdom y'all shared. And the replies are so swift!

Mike Nickerson
Living in the biggest Concord in the USA - ?It is just overshadowed by the large-type "Oakland" on?so?many maps. ?(San Francisco Bay Area of California)


On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 03:36:34 PM PST, gaslakso <gnarator@...> wrote:


Looks like MDC/Roundhouse siderods and crossheads.


On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 4:57?PM Charles Happel via <cghappel2001=[email protected]> wrote:
That is a John English (later Bowser) pacific.

“In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress.”
John Adams




Chuck Happel




On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 05:51:13 PM EST, Michael Nickerson via <michael4449=[email protected]> wrote:


Group,
I just won this item.? The seller (who is knowledgeable about a lot of HO items) labeled this as "Mantua".? I thought not, because of the crossheads.? I just remembered that some of the early Mantua had these "alligator" style ones. I'd like to know the manufacturer.


Mike Nickerson
Living in the biggest Concord in the USA - ?It is just overshadowed by the large-type "Oakland" on?so?many maps. ?(San Francisco Bay Area of California)

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