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Hey there!
Nice to see theres a little driving community going on for these fellas!
I do have a problem since i bought a keystep pro to control some of my synths including the QY. It doesnt matter where i search or try to do some change in the menu of it, i just cannot find the option of turning off the omni modus, even tho thhere is some stuff written in the data manual.
So what happens is that i can hear the qy100 on all of my tracks which is obviously super annoying.
I really hope theres a simple soloution for this :D
Thx in advance! Cheers
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The answer might be here
Good QY resource
IIRC (and probably I dont) U ?can insert a sysex from the QY'insert' menu on a track to 'turn off' the internal generator...I think thats how I did it when I was triggering a SU10 sampler...
On Wednesday, 17 February 2021, 10:28:42 CET, Yannic Portmann <portmann.yannnic@...> wrote:
Hey there!
Nice to see theres a little driving community going on for these fellas!
I do have a problem since i bought a keystep pro to control some of my synths including the QY. It doesnt matter where i search or try to do some change in the menu of it, i just cannot find the option of turning off the omni modus, even tho thhere is some stuff written in the data manual.
So what happens is that i can hear the qy100 on all of my tracks which is obviously super annoying.
I really hope theres a simple soloution for this :D
Thx in advance! Cheers
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the way to do this is in Song mode. choose a Song for setting up your Local on/off's, per channel according to your requirement, and then run it to activate the sysex messages. then you should be ok in the Pattern mode.
it's a bit of a drag but works. shame it wasn't implemented in the same way as on the RM1x where this has a dedicated function.
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As @squishy suggested, you can set the volume to 0 for any track in the QY that you don't want to make the QY100 tone generator "play" (QY100 manual about page 130 in SONG mode).
Another solution can be changing the volume via SYSEX, IIRC sending F0 43 10 4C 08 0B F7, where can be 0 to F for the 16 song tracks and 10-17 (hex) for the pattern tracks.
Another solution is setting LOCAL OFF, see around page 247 on the QY100 manual, or setting ECHO BACK to OFF.
HTH
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To avoid the "drag" (it actually is a drag!) I sacrified a song on my QY100 to have at hand a "zeroed volumes" setup, where I left MIDI channels (i.e. song tracks) 10, 7 and 8 at 127. this because I use 10 for drums and 8 (plus 7 for the occasional layering) for pads.
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To add an extra solution: use a MIDI filter. It is one of the best tools one can have in a studio. I still use 2 Yamaha’s MEP4 from 1986, and set them to filter channels on synths (EG: a synth listens to channels 1-4, but want it on 1 only. Another is fixed on one, so I set it so it reads 7). If you want to use just one track from the QY, press the button in the MEP4 and voila!
It’s not a perfect solution, but will fix the issue all the time if you want to use the qy as a module.
BTW, if anyone can recommend another programmable hardware MIDI filter, I’m all ears!
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Hi,
?I use it's a great midi tool.
?I bought it a bit cheaper last black Friday, but it's worth the price (for me).
?best
Daniel
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On 17/02/21 16:36, kaltar wrote: To add an extra solution: use a MIDI filter. It is one of the best tools one can have in a studio. I still use 2 Yamaha’s MEP4 from 1986, and set them to filter channels on synths (EG: a synth listens to channels 1-4, but want it on 1 only. Another is fixed on one, so I set it so it reads 7). If you want to use just one track from the QY, press the button in the MEP4 and voila!
It’s not a perfect solution, but will fix the issue all the time if you want to use the qy as a module.
BTW, if anyone can recommend another programmable hardware MIDI filter, I’m all ears!
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Hello,
yet another answer. I am not sure what you are trying to achieve. But I noticed recently that doing a program change in this way: - MSB = 1 - PC # = 1
is "turning off" the corresponding voice, as if "selecting a voice program that does not exist". This is actually for the QY70; if the same does not work on the QY100, I am pretty sure you will find a combination that does.
So this enables you to turn off a voice via MIDI. The same trick can be used to turn off a voice from the internal sequencer - by inserting a PC (program change) event.
Please tell us what success you have with the various propositions that you got!
Yann
Hey there!
Nice to see theres a little driving community going on for these fellas!
I do have a problem since i bought a keystep pro to control some of my synths including the QY. It doesnt matter where i search or try to do some change in the menu of it, i just cannot find the option of turning off the omni modus, even tho thhere is some stuff written in the data manual.
So what happens is that i can hear the qy100 on all of my tracks which is obviously super annoying.
I really hope theres a simple soloution for this :D
Thx in advance! Cheers
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Thanks Daniel. I’ve seen the Midihub before and seems like a good alternative. Is it the only one you know of? Have you had any crash?
Kaltar
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Thx everyone for your inputs so far!
I try these different things but nothing really works.
To clarify, I ment tracks from my keystep pro and not from the qy...
On my keystep sequencer/controller i have 4 tracks which i can assign to different synths and i just wanna use one of these to trigger the qy. It does work but i just hear from then on the qy on all 4 channels with the other synths. I dont think ot has something to do with the necessity of a midi interface i just dont find the way to turn off the omni mode.
All i find in the manual is: OMNI MODE OFF (CONTROL NUMBER =7CH , DATA VALUE 0)
and
OMNI MODE OFF? BnH 7CH
Really confusing tho
It also seems i really have to understand first these sub topics of midi such as sysex n stuff.
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021, 2:24 pm prea, < prea@...> wrote: As @squishy suggested, you can set the volume to 0 for any track in the QY that you don't want to make the QY100 tone generator "play" (QY100 manual about page 130 in SONG mode).
Another solution can be changing the volume via SYSEX, IIRC sending F0 43 10 4C 08 0B F7, where can be 0 to F for the 16 song tracks and 10-17 (hex) for the pattern tracks.
Another solution is setting LOCAL OFF, see around page 247 on the QY100 manual, or setting ECHO BACK to OFF.
HTH
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Hi,
?No issues with it so far. It's a pretty refined tool by now. (still being maintained on the software and firmware side)
?You will find many applications for it besides filtering.
?When searching, found this but it I think it wont solve your issue.
?Best,
Daniel
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On 17/02/21 21:59, kaltar wrote: Thanks Daniel. I’ve seen the Midihub before and seems like a good alternative. Is it the only one you know of? Have you had any crash?
Kaltar
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Hi,
My apologies if I am missing something here, but my first thought would be to turn off Yamaha’s (sorta pseudo) omni-mode through the menu (as opposed to thru a CC or Sysex call). ?I mean I am fairly certain I have changed omni mode by using Sysex (and/or CC), ?but the menu is far simpler unless it absolutely has to be triggered thru an external synth/sequencer (which might be the case here...I mean, I just kinda skimmed the topic as I only have a few minutes right now).
Anyway, To do it thru the menu (on the either QY70 or QY100)
Press Menu->Utility->Menu(again)->Fingered Zone
Next, arrow over to MIDI CHANNEL and change (All) to whichever channel you would prefer (by pressing +/- to choose a channel 1 thru 16, or via Shift+(number/black) keys).
Again, my apologies if I am missing something or if this was already suggested.
Best Regards,
Eric
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“The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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That is one nice box, never saw it before. However (1) it is not really programmable and (2) It gets power from MIDI . Avoid those at all costs!
I think the MidiHub is the only equivalent to the MEP4. The MEP4 gets an error if you surpass 1000 messages per second (the internal buffer overloads). And while that is never an issue with a single keyboard, it does happen a lot when using a sequencer with lots of modulations going on.
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On Feb 18, 2021, at 3:01 AM, Daniel Branco <daniel@...> wrote:
?Hi,
No issues with it so far. It's a pretty refined tool by now. (still being maintained on the software and firmware side)
You will find many applications for it besides filtering.
When searching, found this but it I think it wont solve your issue.
Best,
Daniel
On 17/02/21 21:59, kaltar wrote:
Thanks Daniel. I’ve seen the Midihub before and seems like a good alternative. Is it the only one you know of? Have you had any crash?
Kaltar
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Hey eric Yeah exactly in that case i do wanna trigger the qy via a sequencer. I finally did find the omni on/off mode in the "insert" menue and it seems like i have to give a cc command to turn it off or something like that. Thats a hell of a journey but it would be bad ass having this qy connected to my seqyencer including cc messages...
Hi,
My apologies if I am missing something here, but my first thought would be to turn off Yamaha’s (sorta pseudo) omni-mode through the menu (as opposed to thru a CC or Sysex call).? I mean I am fairly certain I have changed omni mode by using Sysex (and/or CC), ?but the menu is far simpler unless it absolutely has to be triggered thru an external synth/sequencer (which might be the case here...I mean, I just kinda skimmed the topic as I only have a few minutes right now).
Anyway, To do it thru the menu (on the either QY70 or QY100)
Press Menu->Utility->Menu(again)->Fingered Zone
Next, arrow over to MIDI CHANNEL and change (All) to whichever channel you would prefer (by pressing +/- to choose a channel 1 thru 16, or via Shift+(number/black) keys).
Again, my apologies if I am missing something or if this was already suggested.
Best Regards,
Eric
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“The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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THAT is the one I was jus gonna link to. See LOTS recommend it. Dont have one. But I might need a merge/thru unit soon and this does that and MAGICAL extras. :)?
Bit pricy though, but its like that isnt it. ?1000 for a knobby-61key-analogue-poly-synth. No problems. Buy buy.? But when one sees a studio utility tool for ?200 its like...how much... :D
On Wednesday, 17 February 2021, 19:09:29 CET, Daniel Branco <daniel@...> wrote:
Hi,
?I use it's a great midi tool.
?I bought it a bit cheaper last black Friday, but it's worth the price
(for me).
?best
Daniel
On 17/02/21 16:36, kaltar wrote:
> To add an extra solution: use a MIDI filter. It is one of the best tools one can have in a studio. I still use 2 Yamaha’s MEP4 from 1986, and set them to filter channels on synths (EG: a synth listens to channels 1-4, but want it on 1 only. Another is fixed on one, so I set it so it reads 7). If you want to use just one track from the QY, press the button in the MEP4 and voila!
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> It’s not a perfect solution, but will fix the issue all the time if you want to use the qy as a module.
>
> BTW, if anyone can recommend another programmable hardware MIDI filter, I’m all ears!
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@Yanni. What this guy said.? If (as i understand) you only want ONE track on the BSP to send to ONE track on the QY then you just need the MIDI ch to match on both the QY and the BSP.
example: check if BSP track 1 is defaulted to send to MIDI ch 1 - you'll have to look in settings/manual. I have never used a BSP.? Then you just choose BSP track #1 MIDI ch1 is thats the case and then set the QY to receive ONLY on that MIDI ch. ?#1 in this example from BSP track 1.?
You'll need always to manual dig in both pieces of gear you are hooking up. MIDI blah is usually in a global/utility setting in most well thought out gear.?
On Thursday, 18 February 2021, 10:38:32 CET, Eric <erichemingway@...> wrote:
Hi,
My apologies if I am missing something here, but my first thought would be to turn off Yamaha’s (sorta pseudo) omni-mode through the menu (as opposed to thru a CC or Sysex call). ?I mean I am fairly certain I have changed omni mode by using Sysex (and/or CC), ?but the menu is far simpler unless it absolutely has to be triggered thru an external synth/sequencer (which might be the case here...I mean, I just kinda skimmed the topic as I only have a few minutes right now).
Anyway, To do it thru the menu (on the either QY70 or QY100)
Press Menu->Utility->Menu(again)->Fingered Zone
Next, arrow over to MIDI CHANNEL and change (All) to whichever channel you would prefer (by pressing +/- to choose a channel 1 thru 16, or via Shift+(number/black) keys).
Again, my apologies if I am missing something or if this was already suggested.
Best Regards,
Eric
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“The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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This might be useful
There is a shift-channel-step keycombo to access MIDI channel assignments Dunno if that will help in the right direction....but maybe its more at the QY-settings than the BSP Just be sure to check both gear.
I guess you are triggering the QY as a sound source then. I find it funny that you are using a sequencer to trigger another sequencer. hehe You could instead keep the 4 tracks on the BSP for other gear....and just program the note sequence you want on the QY internal sequencer to trigger its sounds.... :/ or I am misunderstanding..
anyway..lots of tips here
On Thursday, 18 February 2021, 14:15:28 CET, Yannic Portmann <portmann.yannnic@...> wrote:
Hey eric Yeah exactly in that case i do wanna trigger the qy via a sequencer. I finally did find the omni on/off mode in the "insert" menue and it seems like i have to give a cc command to turn it off or something like that. Thats a hell of a journey but it would be bad ass having this qy connected to my seqyencer including cc messages...
Hi,
My apologies if I am missing something here, but my first thought would be to turn off Yamaha’s (sorta pseudo) omni-mode through the menu (as opposed to thru a CC or Sysex call).? I mean I am fairly certain I have changed omni mode by using Sysex (and/or CC), ?but the menu is far simpler unless it absolutely has to be triggered thru an external synth/sequencer (which might be the case here...I mean, I just kinda skimmed the topic as I only have a few minutes right now).
Anyway, To do it thru the menu (on the either QY70 or QY100)
Press Menu->Utility->Menu(again)->Fingered Zone
Next, arrow over to MIDI CHANNEL and change (All) to whichever channel you would prefer (by pressing +/- to choose a channel 1 thru 16, or via Shift+(number/black) keys).
Again, my apologies if I am missing something or if this was already suggested.
Best Regards,
Eric
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“The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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The reason i wanna hook up the qy to the keystep is to have a proper keyboard to record the sounds instead of the little rubber buttons from the qy.
But sure youre right i can just use the qy separatly as a seq but u cant even hit record whilst jamming... This thing has to stop all the time before youre able to record a sequence again...
And as far as im concerned my keystep is triggering the same channel as the qy so that shouldnt be the problem.
Its just annoying that there is no simple solution of simply turning off an omni modus...
But im grateful for all the help and whilst browsing thru all these options im optimistic ill find a soloution eventually :D
This might be useful
There is a shift-channel-step keycombo to access MIDI channel assignments Dunno if that will help in the right direction....but maybe its more at the QY-settings than the BSP Just be sure to check both gear.
I guess you are triggering the QY as a sound source then. I find it funny that you are using a sequencer to trigger another sequencer. hehe You could instead keep the 4 tracks on the BSP for other gear....and just program the note sequence you want on the QY internal sequencer to trigger its sounds.... :/ or I am misunderstanding..
anyway..lots of tips here
Hey eric Yeah exactly in that case i do wanna trigger the qy via a sequencer. I finally did find the omni on/off mode in the "insert" menue and it seems like i have to give a cc command to turn it off or something like that. Thats a hell of a journey but it would be bad ass having this qy connected to my seqyencer including cc messages... Hi,
My apologies if I am missing something here, but my first thought would be to turn off Yamaha’s (sorta pseudo) omni-mode through the menu (as opposed to thru a CC or Sysex call).? I mean I am fairly certain I have changed omni mode by using Sysex (and/or CC), ?but the menu is far simpler unless it absolutely has to be triggered thru an external synth/sequencer (which might be the case here...I mean, I just kinda skimmed the topic as I only have a few minutes right now).
Anyway, To do it thru the menu (on the either QY70 or QY100)
Press Menu->Utility->Menu(again)->Fingered Zone
Next, arrow over to MIDI CHANNEL and change (All) to whichever channel you would prefer (by pressing +/- to choose a channel 1 thru 16, or via Shift+(number/black) keys).
Again, my apologies if I am missing something or if this was already suggested.
Best Regards,
Eric
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“The longest journey starts with the first step." ?- Lao Tzu
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Yeah man i was somehow close. I found the omni off and on mode in the qy insert menu but i dont know how to trigger it or give the command that it acrually turns it off. Drives me insane this thing haha
The answer might be here
Good QY resource
IIRC (and probably I dont) U ?can insert a sysex from the QY'insert' menu on a track to 'turn off' the internal generator...I think thats how I did it when I was triggering a SU10 sampler...
Hey there!
Nice to see theres a little driving community going on for these fellas!
I do have a problem since i bought a keystep pro to control some of my synths including the QY. It doesnt matter where i search or try to do some change in the menu of it, i just cannot find the option of turning off the omni modus, even tho thhere is some stuff written in the data manual.
So what happens is that i can hear the qy100 on all of my tracks which is obviously super annoying.
I really hope theres a simple soloution for this :D
Thx in advance! Cheers
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From The FAQ (already mentioned )
Q: How do I make my QY70 ignore my MIDI keyboard's channel, and always record on the active track?
This is convenient, because you can leave your keyboard on channel 1 all the time, and just hop to different tracks in the QY70. This feature isundocumented. Do MENU/UTILITIES, MENU/MIDI. The MIDI THRU setting can be OFF, THRU, or RECMONTR. In RECMONTR mode, the QY70 will translate your keyboard's output to whatever track you're working on. It will also apply any MIDI filter you've selected (on the same screen). When would you NOT want RECMONTR? If your MIDI input contains several channels, meant to trigger multiple tracks in the QY70. Be aware thatthe RECMONTR setting also affects what comes out the MIDI Out connector.
That is, turn RECMONTR off and program both the QY (SONG mode is a good idea to have a fixed palette of 16 voices) and the external MIDI keyboard to use as many channels you want, this is a field where having a controller able to do plenty of layers and splits would do.
I had some notes I made years ago to apply this technique by partitioning my PC3K7 keyboard on a setup (i.e. Kurzweilspeak for what all others call a "multi") defining several zones on the keybed to have a bass sound in the lower left, a pad in the mid left octave and from C4 rightwards a rhodes and a lead, on Kurzweils you can switch on and off what happens on the 16 channels, so that each keyboard zone, assigned ti a given MIDI channel, can be turned on or off, thus exploiting the QY as a sound module.
Actually, I prefer the opposite, since in my case I find that the QY (both 100 and 700) are better suited on sequencer duties (the PC3K has a 16 track 960 ppq sequencer but the interface is oh well), and the PC3K is excellent as sound generator. I work as the OP desired when I'm recording on the QYs, anyways.
HTH
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Daniel Branco
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