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The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project


 

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, Nicole Massey wrote:

The FS1R was 8 operator, from what I'm told.
Yes it is. But hard to get.

And my FVX-1 has 8 operators. It's nearly impossible to get: I am not selling mine :-)

The FM-X engine in the MODX and Montage is also 8-operator.

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MT


KW
 

for synthaction keybed V50 has one of the best i've played. and i've tried many synths

to my knowledge V50 and B500 is the only 4op FM with 16 voices, quite unique! TQ5 ? no i think that was 8 voice right?



Den tisdag 15 juni 2021 21:05:39 CEST, John Ames <commodorejohn@...> skrev:


Yeah, that would've been killer, especially since the V50 keybed is
nothing to write home about. Ah well...

On 6/15/21, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:
> I wish there was a V50 rack unit, but that was during the Rise of the
> Workstations, so module versions were less common.
>
> Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ames
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: [email protected]; vision1@...
> Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project
>
> For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a
> keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're still
> going for fairly bargain prices, too.
>
> And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the DX7,
> but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the additional
> waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic territory that the
> big DXen can't easily replicate.
>
> On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:
>> Certainly true.
>>
>> I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never
>> went anywhere.? The presets were middling and nowhere could I find
>> super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting
>> life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.
>>
>> As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and
>> the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?? Nothing in between.
>>
>> While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still
>> quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it
>> to the next level.? Multi wave forms.? 8 (or more) operators.
>> Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms.? Real time
>> parameter changes.? Not especially tough in software with today’s
>> hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.
>>
>>
>>
>> L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had
>> spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have
>> been a lot more surprises to enjoy.? I performed for over three years
>> with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack.,
>> connected to a Roland
>> MKB-300
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -BW
>>
>> Bruce Wahler
>> Halfmoon-Switch.com?
>> bw@...
>>
>> 978.597.7008
>>
>>
>
>




 

im not sure if we spoke about this here
before martin , but couldn't the
waveforms be transcribed if broken down
? mathematically waveforms are just
additive or subtractive so on the
remaining free 2 ops
we could combine any to create wave
shape ?

I know , not much more than a dream of
an ideal right now
but has anybody ever tried using a
square and a sine to make triangular
waveform on the dx?

read about useage of combining waveforms
in my cz or fz or vz manual

Charles


 

Yes, TQ5/YS200/YS100 are 8 voice polyphonic.


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for synthaction keybed V50 has one of the best i've played. and i've tried many synths

to my knowledge V50 and B500 is the only 4op FM with 16 voices, quite unique! TQ5 ? no i think that was 8 voice right?



Den tisdag 15 juni 2021 21:05:39 CEST, John Ames <commodorejohn@...> skrev:


Yeah, that would've been killer, especially since the V50 keybed is
nothing to write home about. Ah well...

On 6/15/21, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:
> I wish there was a V50 rack unit, but that was during the Rise of the
> Workstations, so module versions were less common.
>
> Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ames
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: [email protected]; vision1@...
> Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project
>
> For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a
> keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're still
> going for fairly bargain prices, too.
>
> And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the DX7,
> but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the additional
> waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic territory that the
> big DXen can't easily replicate.
>
> On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:
>> Certainly true.
>>
>> I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never
>> went anywhere.? The presets were middling and nowhere could I find
>> super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting
>> life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.
>>
>> As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and
>> the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?? Nothing in between.
>>
>> While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still
>> quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it
>> to the next level.? Multi wave forms.? 8 (or more) operators.
>> Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms.? Real time
>> parameter changes.? Not especially tough in software with today’s
>> hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.
>>
>>
>>
>> L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had
>> spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have
>> been a lot more surprises to enjoy.? I performed for over three years
>> with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack.,
>> connected to a Roland
>> MKB-300
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -BW
>>
>> Bruce Wahler
>> Halfmoon-Switch.com?
>> bw@...
>>
>> 978.597.7008
>>
>>
>
>




 

Kodamo EssenceFM is also interesting, but 6OP.

Daniel Forró

On Jun 16, 2021, at 5:25, Martin Tarenskeen <m.tarenskeen@...> wrote:



On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, LarryS wrote:

I’m still quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it to the next level. Multi
wave forms. 8 (or more) operators. Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms. Real time parameter changes.
Sounds like a Yamaha Montage or MODX to me.

MT



 

Plus 8 noise operators.

Daniel Forró

On Jun 16, 2021, at 3:54, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:

The FS1R was 8 operator, from what I'm told.

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of LarryS
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

Certainly true.

I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never went anywhere. The presets were middling and nowhere could I find super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.

As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and the TX816… well, who could afford THAT? Nothing in between.

While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it to the next level. Multi wave forms. 8 (or more) operators. Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms. Real time parameter changes. Not especially tough in software with today’s hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.



L.





but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have been a lot more surprises to enjoy. I performed for over three years with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack., connected to a Roland MKB-300



Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@... <mailto:bw@...>

978.597.7008





 

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I always thought that Yamaha were on a tight budget in the mid 80s.? They had the FM synthesis licencing sewn up.??

The early FM machines like the GS1 and the DX1 you can tell that Yamaha spent money on the look, feel, and the electronic components.? You know.. decent power supplies and decent output stages and decent FM chips.

I still have a beaten up old DX9 and I swear to you that it has a better sounding engine than say a DX27 that was 2 years newer.

I have had two DX21 and there is a horrible aliasing that happens when you push the FM index too high.. it tends to repeat higher notes where it cannot cope with the computations.? The low end sounds are not as organic and deep as the DX9.? Although the DX21 does have 2 engines for dual detuned or just dual additive 4 note polyphony.? The DX9 is 16 note polyphonic.






Yes, TQ5/YS200/YS100 are 8 voice polyphonic.


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-------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------
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-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Tarenskeen <m.tarenskeen@...>
Date: 15/06/2021 23:09 (GMT+00:00)
To: [email protected], memtechlist@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

for synthaction keybed V50 has one of the best i've played. and i've tried many synths

to my knowledge V50 and B500 is the only 4op FM with 16 voices, quite unique! TQ5 ? no i think that was 8 voice right?



Den tisdag 15 juni 2021 21:05:39 CEST, John Ames <commodorejohn@...> skrev:


Yeah, that would've been killer, especially since the V50 keybed is
nothing to write home about. Ah well...

On 6/15/21, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:
> I wish there was a V50 rack unit, but that was during the Rise of the
> Workstations, so module versions were less common.
>
> Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ames
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: [email protected]; vision1@...
> Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project
>
> For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a
> keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're still
> going for fairly bargain prices, too.
>
> And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the DX7,
> but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the additional
> waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic territory that the
> big DXen can't easily replicate.
>
> On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:
>> Certainly true.
>>
>> I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never
>> went anywhere.? The presets were middling and nowhere could I find
>> super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting
>> life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.
>>
>> As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and
>> the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?? Nothing in between.
>>
>> While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still
>> quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it
>> to the next level.? Multi wave forms.? 8 (or more) operators.
>> Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms.? Real time
>> parameter changes.? Not especially tough in software with today’s
>> hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.
>>
>>
>>
>> L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had
>> spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have
>> been a lot more surprises to enjoy.? I performed for over three years
>> with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack.,
>> connected to a Roland
>> MKB-300
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -BW
>>
>> Bruce Wahler
>> Halfmoon-Switch.com?
>> bw@...
>>
>> 978.597.7008
>>
>>
>
>




 

That?s? why? I hope for a 1HU MODX rack since Yammi came ut w/ the
keyboard versions.
Unfortunately, these keyboard actions aren?t the holy grail too.

Am 15.06.2021 um 22:25 schrieb Martin Tarenskeen:


On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, LarryS wrote:

Multi wave forms.? 8 (or more) operators.? Adaptable, even
dynamically assignable algorithms. ?Real time parameter changes.
Sounds like a Yamaha Montage or MODX to me.

MT

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