On Jun 15, 2021, at 17:36, Martin Tarenskeen <m.tarenskeen@...> wrote:

Hi,

Many of you may be familiar with one or more of my projects like DXconvert, The Reface DX Legacy Project (RDLP), or - from the early Atari ST days - YSEDITOR. These projects are still going. For example: Recently I released an update of DXconvert with greatly improved Korg DS8/707 data import.

In all these years one of the frequently asked questions was: Can I load patches from 4-operator FM synths like DX100, TX81Z, FB01, or V50 in my DX7 (or compatible) synthesizer? The short answer has been "No you can't". The longer answer "Yes you can, but the data need to be converted first using DXconvert".

Today I am proud to present my latest project, powered by DXconvert: "The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project". It is the easiest answer to the above question. I have converted a huge number of SysEx patches and banks from numerous 4-operator (and some 2-operator) FM synths and they are now available and ready to use on my new website in the form of DX7 and DX7II compatible SysEx files. These SysEx data are accepted not only by DX7 and DX7II but by many other compatible FM synths, modules, and VST plugins.

Using additional software these files could even be converted to SY/TG77, SY99, and even Montage file format.

You can find the project here:



(Manually enter the address in your browser if redirection fails.)

Feedback, comments, bugreports, and donations are welcome :-)
Enjoy!

Martin Tarenskeen

Hi,

Many of you may be familiar with one or more of my projects like
DXconvert, The Reface DX Legacy Project (RDLP), or - from the early Atari
ST days - YSEDITOR. These projects are still going. For example: Recently
I released an update of DXconvert with greatly improved Korg DS8/707 data
import.

In all these years one of the frequently asked questions was: Can I load
patches from 4-operator FM synths like DX100, TX81Z, FB01, or V50 in my
DX7 (or compatible) synthesizer? The short answer has been "No you can't".
The longer answer "Yes you can, but the data need to be converted first
using DXconvert".

Today I am proud to present my latest project, powered by DXconvert: "The
4OP to DX7 Conversion Project". It is the easiest answer to the above
question. I have converted a huge number of SysEx patches and banks from
numerous 4-operator (and some 2-operator) FM synths and they are now
available and ready to use on my new website in the form of DX7 and DX7II
compatible SysEx files. These SysEx data are accepted not only by DX7 and
DX7II but by many other compatible FM synths, modules, and VST plugins.

Using additional software these files could even be converted to SY/TG77,
SY99, and even Montage file format.

You can find the project here:

????

(Manually enter the address in your browser if redirection fails.)

Feedback, comments, bugreports, and donations are welcome :-)
Enjoy!

Martin Tarenskeen

Thanks so much for your work on this!

A naive question: how, if at all, have you handled the additional

On Jun 15, 2021, at 22:56, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:

What I've always wondered is if there's a way to create those additional
waveforms using a carrier/modulator pair so straight sine wave instruments
could get in the neighborhood.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin
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Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:32 AM
To: Jeremy Bernstein <jeremy.d.bernstein@...>
Cc: YamahaDX <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project



On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, Jeremy Bernstein wrote:

Thanks so much for your work on this!

A naive question: how, if at all, have you handled the additional

waveforms on the TX81Z/DX11?

Hi,

The additional waveforms that were introduced with the TX81Z are ignored.
In general not everyting could be converted faithfully. There are quite some
bigger and smaller differences between the DX7 and the 4-op FM family of
synths. But I hereby invite everyone to do something useful and interesting
with the 2 unused operators that are left :-)

--

MT

I think it wouldn’t be easy to get from the pair of operators a timbre missing in the total sound of the patch. But maybe additional tweaking of the other four operators in algorithm structure simulating 4OP patch, in conjunction with those two operators can make it…

I'm now meditating about the other interesting challenge - to imitate 6OP sounds on 4OP synth, at least on those able to layer two patches… :-) It would be difficult if not impossible to approximate non existing algorithms and key scaling, different envelopes…

Daniel Forró

On Jun 15, 2021, at 22:56, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:

What I've always wondered is if there's a way to create those additional
waveforms using a carrier/modulator pair so straight sine wave instruments
could get in the neighborhood.

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin
Tarenskeen
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:32 AM
To: Jeremy Bernstein <jeremy.d.bernstein@...>
Cc: YamahaDX <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project



On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, Jeremy Bernstein wrote:

Thanks so much for your work on this!

A naive question: how, if at all, have you handled the additional

waveforms on the TX81Z/DX11?

Hi,

The additional waveforms that were introduced with the TX81Z are ignored. 
In general not everyting could be converted faithfully. There are quite some
bigger and smaller differences between the DX7 and the 4-op FM family of
synths. But I hereby invite everyone to do something useful and interesting
with the 2 unused operators that are left :-)

-- 

MT

I think it wouldn’t be easy to get from the pair of operators a timbre
missing in the total sound of the patch. But maybe additional tweaking
of the other four operators in algorithm structure simulating 4OP
patch, in conjunction with those two operators can make it…

I'm now meditating about the other interesting challenge - to imitate
6OP sounds on 4OP synth, at least on those able to layer two patches…
:-) It would be difficult if not impossible to approximate non
existing algorithms and key scaling, different envelopes…

Daniel Forró

If you can find the ad that ran for the TX81Z on the back of Keyboard magazine it had them pictured. One of them looked like two sine waves in phase with the frequency in one of them doubled, IIRC.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of PeWe
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:53 AM
To: [email protected]; danforcz@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

Which additional waveforms are we talking about ?
I never owned a TX81Z,- just only DX7 which I sold,- DX7mkIIFD, TX816 and TG77 ...

Do we find the missing waveforms in SY&TG 77 and SY99 ROM ???
Were these single cycle samples or pre-programmed waveform-templates (like saw, square & trianagle) in ROM ?

I can imagine re-constructing patches in a TG77 when there were some info about add. waveform levels in given TX81Z patches.
The TG77?s filter and lo-fi FX come in addition ...

Am 15.06.2021 um 16:24 schrieb Daniel Forró via groups.io:

I think it wouldn’t be easy to get from the pair of operators a timbre 
missing in the total sound of the patch. But maybe additional tweaking 
of the other four operators in algorithm structure simulating 4OP 
patch, in conjunction with those two operators can make it…

I'm now meditating about the other interesting challenge - to imitate 
6OP sounds on 4OP synth, at least on those able to layer two patches… 
:-) It would be difficult if not impossible to approximate non 
existing algorithms and key scaling, different envelopes…

Daniel Forró

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Certainly true.

I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never went
anywhere. The presets were middling and nowhere could I find super sounds
at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting life just didn’t
have time to stare at a 2 line display.

As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and the
TX816… well, who could afford THAT? Nothing in between.

While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still quite the
fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it to the next
level. Multi wave forms. 8 (or more) operators. Adaptable, even
dynamically assignable algorithms. Real time parameter changes. Not
especially tough in software with today’s hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever
see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.



L.





but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had spent
as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have been a lot
more surprises to enjoy. I performed for over three years with *nothing*
but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack., connected to a Roland
MKB-300



Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@...

978.597.7008

Certainly true.

I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never
went anywhere. The presets were middling and nowhere could I find
super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting
life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.

As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and
the TX816… well, who could afford THAT? Nothing in between.

While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still
quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it
to the next level. Multi wave forms. 8 (or more) operators.
Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms. Real time
parameter changes. Not especially tough in software with today’s
hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.



L.





but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had
spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have
been a lot more surprises to enjoy. I performed for over three years
with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack.,
connected to a Roland
MKB-300



Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@...

978.597.7008

I wish there was a V50 rack unit, but that was during the Rise of the
Workstations, so module versions were less common.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ames
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:33 PM
To: [email protected]; vision1@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a
keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're still
going for fairly bargain prices, too.

And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the DX7,
but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the additional
waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic territory that the
big DXen can't easily replicate.

On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:

Certainly true.

I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never
went anywhere. The presets were middling and nowhere could I find
super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting
life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.

As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and
the TX816… well, who could afford THAT? Nothing in between.

While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still
quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it
to the next level. Multi wave forms. 8 (or more) operators.
Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms. Real time
parameter changes. Not especially tough in software with today’s
hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.



L.





but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had
spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have
been a lot more surprises to enjoy. I performed for over three years
with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack.,
connected to a Roland
MKB-300



Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@...

978.597.7008

I wish there was a V50 rack unit, but that was during the Rise of the Workstations, so module versions were less common.

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ames
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:33 PM
To: [email protected]; vision1@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're still going for fairly bargain prices, too.

And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the DX7, but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the additional waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic territory that the big DXen can't easily replicate.

On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:

Certainly true.

I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never 
went anywhere.  The presets were middling and nowhere could I find 
super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting 
life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.

As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and 
the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?  Nothing in between.

While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still 
quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it 
to the next level.  Multi wave forms.  8 (or more) operators.  
Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms.  Real time 
parameter changes.  Not especially tough in software with today’s 
hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.



L.





but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had 
spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have 
been a lot more surprises to enjoy.  I performed for over three years 
with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack., 
connected to a Roland
MKB-300



Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@...

978.597.7008