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Hi everyone - happy new year,
I recently switched to a DX7 MKII - but I’m finding things to be quite different than on the MKI. I’m wondering if folks here can tell me how to transfer a patch library currently on the machine into a SysEx file on my computer.? I’m also wondering if there are useful resources for the MKII, in general, since the support seems much thinner and I’m not finding explanations as easily. Thanks, Geoff
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There are three models of the II -- S, D, and FD. Which one do you have? Because if you've got an FD you've got a very easy way to load sounds -- the OS reads standard MSDOS floppy formats, so patch transfers are super simple. If not then finding the adapter for the cartridge port would be your easiest way to move sounds between the machines.
IIRC, the II reads the sysex format of the original with no problems, so you should be able to do a straightforward patch dump. It doesn't work the other way, from what I remember, but it's been a long time since I did any of this.
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From: YamahaDX@... [mailto:YamahaDX@...]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 9:17 PM
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Subject: [YamahaDX] Dx7 MK ii
Hi everyone - happy new year,
I recently switched to a DX7 MKII - but I’m finding things to be quite different than on the MKI. I’m wondering if folks here can tell me how to transfer a patch library currently on the machine into a SysEx file on my computer.
I’m also wondering if there are useful resources for the MKII, in general, since the support seems much thinner and I’m not finding explanations as easily.
Thanks,
Geoff
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Geoff,
You can save a sysex dump from anything via Bome's SendSX.? E.g. manually send the dump from the synth, then save the receive window - you might need to clear the window first, if it's already showing something.
Less easy to get to grips with, but more versatile, is JSynthLib.? I've used that with my TX7.? It knows how to request the dump, so there's no button pushing needed on the synth.
Generally, there's a sysex dump request message you can send - which must be how JSynthLib works, so you could do it that way in Bome's SendSX too - send the request, then save the reply.? The message to do it is probably in the manual.
Both of those programs are free, and not to hard to find.? Let me know if you can't.
For information about the DX7 II, anything you can't find in the Files section here, or in the YamahaDXfiles Yahoo group, is probably in the Downloads section of this forum:
- some of the stuff that says DX7 may be about the DX7 Mk II, so also worth a look... like the DX7 Supplemental Booklets Online Archive thread.
- Andy
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for conversion for information On Mon, December 31, 2018 7:16 pm, geoff baltan geoffbaltan@... [YamahaDX] wrote: Hi everyone - happy new year,
I recently switched to a DX7 MKII - but I’m finding things to be quite
different than on the MKI. I’m wondering if folks here can tell me how to
transfer a patch library currently on the machine into a SysEx file on my
computer.
I’m also wondering if there are useful resources for the MKII, in general,
since the support seems much thinner and I’m not finding explanations as
easily.
Thanks,
Geoff
daved@...
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It’s described in the manual, pages 78, 81. You can also download Supplemental booklets which I and other member Rawl scanned and published. There’s also excellent Massey book somewhere on the net.
Transmitting SysEx data is on button 32 MIDI. Before sending set Device number on 1 and select which patch block you want to transmit - 1-32 or 33-64. You can send also Performances, Microtune (Int) and System Setup. Do it all one by one to have a perfect backup.
Support is thinner, that’s right - mainly concerning Performances. There were some cartridges offered by Yamaha but data are not freely available (VRC1001 - VRC1005). Some performances were offered by Thiago Gomes, another from certain Lukas. I have them all, but don’t know where I’ve found them. I can send them.
As for patches, there’s no problem, there’s a full compatibility with Mk I. Mk II has more parameters so sound can be edited as necessary, and improved.
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Hi everyone - happy new year,
I recently switched to a DX7 MKII - but I’m finding things to be quite different than on the MKI. I’m wondering if folks here can tell me how to transfer a patch library currently on the machine into a SysEx file on my computer.? I’m also wondering if there are useful resources for the MKII, in general, since the support seems much thinner and I’m not finding explanations as easily. Thanks, Geoff
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Strictly said DX7S is in between Mk I and Mk II by features…
Disk format is not MS-DOS, but Japanese MSX-DOS, so there can be problems with compatibility with other computers - AFAIK from my experience, Yamaha DX7II FD (and also other Yamaha instruments using disks) disks are not easily readable on modern computers.
DX7 Mk I will accept Voice SysEx dump from DX7 II, it will just ignore unknown additional data specific for DX7 II.
Daniel Forro
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There are three models of the II -- S, D, and FD. Which one do you have? Because if you've got an FD you've got a very easy way to load sounds -- the OS reads standard MSDOS floppy formats, so patch transfers are super simple. If not then finding the adapter for the cartridge port would be your easiest way to move sounds between the machines.
IIRC, the II reads the sysex format of the original with no problems, so you should be able to do a straightforward patch dump. It doesn't work the other way, from what I remember, but it's been a long time since I did any of this.
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Hi all - I'm still struggling a bit with this, so let me give you all some more details.
It's a DX7ii- FD, for starters.
I'm hoping to store/edit libraries on my computer. I am running Mac OSX.? With the DX7 I, I was able to listen and edit SysEx files in a program called "Dexed" and a program called "FM8."? Now, while I seem to be getting SysEx msgs sent from the DX7II, they won't open in either FM8 or Dexed - so I am unsure how to verify them.?
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Strictly said DX7S is in between Mk I and Mk II by features…
Disk format is not MS-DOS, but Japanese MSX-DOS, so there can be problems with compatibility with other computers - AFAIK from my experience, Yamaha DX7II FD (and also other Yamaha instruments using disks) disks are not easily readable on modern computers.
DX7 Mk I will accept Voice SysEx dump from DX7 II, it will just ignore unknown additional data specific for DX7 II.
Daniel Forro
There are three models of the II -- S, D, and FD. Which one do you have? Because if you've got an FD you've got a very easy way to load sounds -- the OS reads standard MSDOS floppy formats, so patch transfers are super simple. If not then finding the adapter for the cartridge port would be your easiest way to move sounds between the machines.
IIRC, the II reads the sysex format of the original with no problems, so you should be able to do a straightforward patch dump. It doesn't work the other way, from what I remember, but it's been a long time since I did any of this.
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Oh, I should also add - I've been using SysEx Librarian.? It seems that JSynthLib is not working with the current version of MacOS.?
Hi all - I'm still struggling a bit with this, so let me give you all some more details.
It's a DX7ii- FD, for starters.
I'm hoping to store/edit libraries on my computer. I am running Mac OSX.? With the DX7 I, I was able to listen and edit SysEx files in a program called "Dexed" and a program called "FM8."? Now, while I seem to be getting SysEx msgs sent from the DX7II, they won't open in either FM8 or Dexed - so I am unsure how to verify them.?
?
Strictly said DX7S is in between Mk I and Mk II by features…
Disk format is not MS-DOS, but Japanese MSX-DOS, so there can be problems with compatibility with other computers - AFAIK from my experience, Yamaha DX7II FD (and also other Yamaha instruments using disks) disks are not easily readable on modern computers.
DX7 Mk I will accept Voice SysEx dump from DX7 II, it will just ignore unknown additional data specific for DX7 II.
Daniel Forro
There are three models of the II -- S, D, and FD. Which one do you have? Because if you've got an FD you've got a very easy way to load sounds -- the OS reads standard MSDOS floppy formats, so patch transfers are super simple. If not then finding the adapter for the cartridge port would be your easiest way to move sounds between the machines.
IIRC, the II reads the sysex format of the original with no problems, so you should be able to do a straightforward patch dump. It doesn't work the other way, from what I remember, but it's been a long time since I did any of this.
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OK - I have made progress - my apologies for spamming the thread.? Apparently, it is important to send a full bank, rather than the "Edit Buffer" memory.? This way reads well in FM8, but not in Dexed.?
Oh, I should also add - I've been using SysEx Librarian.? It seems that JSynthLib is not working with the current version of MacOS.?
Hi all - I'm still struggling a bit with this, so let me give you all some more details.
It's a DX7ii- FD, for starters.
I'm hoping to store/edit libraries on my computer. I am running Mac OSX.? With the DX7 I, I was able to listen and edit SysEx files in a program called "Dexed" and a program called "FM8."? Now, while I seem to be getting SysEx msgs sent from the DX7II, they won't open in either FM8 or Dexed - so I am unsure how to verify them.?
?
Strictly said DX7S is in between Mk I and Mk II by features…
Disk format is not MS-DOS, but Japanese MSX-DOS, so there can be problems with compatibility with other computers - AFAIK from my experience, Yamaha DX7II FD (and also other Yamaha instruments using disks) disks are not easily readable on modern computers.
DX7 Mk I will accept Voice SysEx dump from DX7 II, it will just ignore unknown additional data specific for DX7 II.
Daniel Forro
There are three models of the II -- S, D, and FD. Which one do you have? Because if you've got an FD you've got a very easy way to load sounds -- the OS reads standard MSDOS floppy formats, so patch transfers are super simple. If not then finding the adapter for the cartridge port would be your easiest way to move sounds between the machines.
IIRC, the II reads the sysex format of the original with no problems, so you should be able to do a straightforward patch dump. It doesn't work the other way, from what I remember, but it's been a long time since I did any of this.
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Hi Geoff, ? Can I wholeheartedly recommend DX Manager which has been a joy to use with my DX7 II FD and DX11. ?
? $20 to register. Lifetime updates. I have no connection with the site/software – just a very happy user. ? Cheers, Jonathan ?
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Sent: 14 January 2019 11:07
To: YamahaDX@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] Dx7 MK ii?
Oh, I should also add - I've been using SysEx Librarian.? It seems that JSynthLib is not working with the current version of MacOS.? ? Hi all - I'm still struggling a bit with this, so let me give you all some more details. It's a DX7ii- FD, for starters. I'm hoping to store/edit libraries on my computer. I am running Mac OSX.? With the DX7 I, I was able to listen and edit SysEx files in a program called "Dexed" and a program called "FM8."? Now, while I seem to be getting SysEx msgs sent from the DX7II, they won't open in either FM8 or Dexed - so I am unsure how to verify them.? ? ? Strictly said DX7S is in between Mk I and Mk II by features… Disk format is not MS-DOS, but Japanese MSX-DOS, so there can be problems with compatibility with other computers - AFAIK from my experience, Yamaha DX7II FD (and also other Yamaha instruments using disks) disks are not easily readable on modern computers. DX7 Mk I will accept Voice SysEx dump from DX7 II, it will just ignore unknown additional data specific for DX7 II. ?
? There are three models of the II -- S, D, and FD. Which one do you have? Because if you've got an FD you've got a very easy way to load sounds -- the OS reads standard MSDOS floppy formats, so patch transfers are super simple. If not then finding the adapter for the cartridge port would be your easiest way to move sounds between the machines.
IIRC, the II reads the sysex format of the original with no problems, so you should be able to do a straightforward patch dump. It doesn't work the other way, from what I remember, but it's been a long time since I did any of this.
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Thanks for the suggestion- I'll check it out immediately.
The last thing I'm trying to figure out, though: How to upload tunings?
Scala seems to make the tuning file for DX7ii as a MIDI.? I'm not sure how to get the synthesizer to be receptive to this information or what to use to send it??
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Hi Geoff, ? Can I wholeheartedly recommend DX Manager which has been a joy to use with my DX7 II FD and DX11. ?
? $20 to register. Lifetime updates. I have no connection with the site/software – just a very happy user. ? Cheers, Jonathan ? ?
Oh, I should also add - I've been using SysEx Librarian.? It seems that JSynthLib is not working with the current version of MacOS.? ? Hi all - I'm still struggling a bit with this, so let me give you all some more details. It's a DX7ii- FD, for starters. I'm hoping to store/edit libraries on my computer.. I am running Mac OSX.? With the DX7 I, I was able to listen and edit SysEx files in a program called "Dexed" and a program called "FM8."? Now, while I seem to be getting SysEx msgs sent from the DX7II, they won't open in either FM8 or Dexed - so I am unsure how to verify them.? ? ? Strictly said DX7S is in between Mk I and Mk II by features… Disk format is not MS-DOS, but Japanese MSX-DOS, so there can be problems with compatibility with other computers - AFAIK from my experience, Yamaha DX7II FD (and also other Yamaha instruments using disks) disks are not easily readable on modern computers. DX7 Mk I will accept Voice SysEx dump from DX7 II, it will just ignore unknown additional data specific for DX7 II. ?
? There are three models of the II -- S, D, and FD. Which one do you have? Because if you've got an FD you've got a very easy way to load sounds -- the OS reads standard MSDOS floppy formats, so patch transfers are super simple. If not then finding the adapter for the cartridge port would be your easiest way to move sounds between the machines.
IIRC, the II reads the sysex format of the original with no problems, so you should be able to do a straightforward patch dump. It doesn't work the other way, from what I remember, but it's been a long time since I did any of this.
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Geoff,
You should be able to send it with Bome's SendSX:
The MIDI file would essentially just contain sysex data, and SendSX should be able to open it, then send it.? Synths are normally able to accept sysex at any time - you shouldn't need to do anything special to make it ready to accept it.
Scala might have an option to save as sysex too - I've never tried it.
SendSX is nice and simple to use, and is free to use for non commercial purposes - you're supposed to send Mr Bome a postcard, to register it, after a couple of weeks :)
Mostly, you'd just need to load the file, specify the MIDI Out port to use (if not already set), then press Send.
I use it for patch saving, mostly - almost any synth with MIDI can dump its edit buffer, or a specified patch, e.g. manually from a menu, or by sending a dump request to it (also from SendSX).? You can then save the receive window in SendSX, as a file.? Sending it back again loads it back into the synth, to the same location it came from.
- Andy
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How to implement SendSX and replace Scala's outdated megamid player...
Edit - Preferences - Synth - MIDI Dump Sending Option - Edit send.cmd:
old link "C:\Program Files (x86)\Scala22\megamid"
new link "C:\Program Files (x86)\Bome SendSX\SendSX"
Ctrl+Alt+T launches SendSX and F4 will transmit the data to DX7II.
In SendSX settings, lower the midi speed to avoid buffer overflow.
Finally store the edited microtunings in the internal memory.
Best of luck!
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AndyHornBlower