Re: DX-100 patch editor / librarian for Mac os 10.7 or 10.9?
...the 1st gen DX7 cannot :-)
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Re: DX-100 patch editor / librarian for Mac os 10.7 or 10.9?
and the old 4op DX21 has a simple performance mode, which allows layering of 2 sounds - it makes it a much more powerful instrument than the DX100, DX9, and the DX27. It is able to produce wide, detuned stereo sounds, that even
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Re: DX-100 patch editor / librarian for Mac os 10.7 or 10.9?
I see.? I didn't realise that.? My TX81Z has it, yes.? I've never tried it though.
I'm more of a woodwind and brass person, really.? One instrument sound at a time is enough, for the likes of me :)
Andy
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Re: DX-100 patch editor / librarian for Mac os 10.7 or 10.9?
DX100 does not have performance mode. Several synths from the 4op FM family (fb01, tx81z, dx11, ys200, v50) did, but not the cute little dx100. MT Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon
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Hi Teo,
I like the sound of Harpsichord2 better for the right hand notes, but Harpsichord Low sounds better for the bass notes in those recordings, I agree.? You could probably make a Performance patch with a keyboard split, to combine the two, but it might be simpler to just use one patch on each DX100, if you're playing two at once.
You can, in theory, make something a bit more like your PSR patch using a Performance patch too.? It's something I've never done though, and I don't know the details of how to do it on a DX100.? Using the front panel for editing one ought to be an option, if all else fails.? There aren't as many parameters to set as when you edit a voice.
I'm not so keen on the reverb, but I rarely get on with reverbs.? I've bought a couple of different guitar pedal ones and I'm not happy with those either.? They always sound too fake, to me.? When I've tried one with a guitar it just got in the way of hearing what I was playing, properly.
Andy
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Re: DX-100 patch editor / librarian for Mac os 10.7 or 10.9?
Hi Teo,
I like the sound of Harpsichord2 better for the right hand notes, but Harpsichord Low sounds better for the bass notes in those recordings, I agree.? You could probably make a Performance patch with a keyboard split, to combine the two, but it might be simpler to just use one patch on each DX100, if you're playing two at once.
You can, in theory, make something a bit more like your PSR patch using a Performance patch too.? It's something I've never done though, and I don't know the details of how to do it on a DX100.? Using the front panel for editing one ought to be an option, if all else fails.? There aren't as many parameters to set as when you edit a voice.
I'm not so keen on the reverb, but I rarely get on with reverbs.? I've bought a couple of different guitar pedal ones and I'm not happy with those either.? They always sound too fake, to me.? When I've tried one with a guitar it just got in the way of hearing what I was playing, properly.
Andy
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Re: Early TX816 capacitors
Thanks for your feedback, I will proceed according to your suggestions!
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Re: DX-100 patch editor / librarian for Mac os 10.7 or 10.9?
Hi Andy et all,
I'm new (this time) to how to use these groups, I'll learn better how to see who I'm replying to and who to thank for their time.
I want to get into some tweaking of sounds like you mentioned keyboard scaling, but at this second I'm warming up to how well I can play these baroque pieces with and without sustain pedal, and here today I can share some that have the left and right mix or lack of in mind. It's the 2 DX-100s "Freeboards" I call it.
I also don't know if I can attach 10MB a day into these groups or if that's too much memory. These files today are a Scarlatti piece I can't wait to really record but I'm seeing it this sound Harpsichord2 I found is better than the built in Harpsichord Low and Harpsichord High. My initial answer is no.
I might use Harpsichord2 on a song where harpsichord is ONLY in the higher notes, I like it's brightness but the lowest notes aren't anywhere as good as Harpsichord Low. Of course I feel bad trying to emulate a real instrument, go buy a harpsichord! Well, I'll be tweaking my organ sounds next, and trying out the breath controller on patches for solos! That'll be a blast on some songs!
I also have to apologize in advance, I am a time-bandit, I'll talk your ear off if you let me. This whole designing a way to perform 2 keyboards live while no pedals on the floor is a neat thing but so many issues! Y-Jacks into sustain pedal jacks, then 1 day I'll want to run them both MIDI and jam channel 10 percussion, I have a whole show setup with that I'll share later!
So I hope this is appropriate to share these - at least these are edited, no MAJOR mistakes, though none are the full song.
Inda says maybe too much reverb, I agree.. I'll likely use a bigger room like hall reverb but 30%. This also mixes the left and right nicely doesn't it! Like you said before, when I have 2 instruments going it could be quite the issue!
So I've decided the High&Low harpsichords sound better overall, meaning the low notes sound like a harpsichord I think. The Harpsichord2 has great sound though! If I just wanted a right hand part I might use it. I still have 2 or 3 Harpsichord patches I have to test - 1 is completely out of tune! I don't know why, I think it's called 1700Keyboard, more on that later.
My real questions today are: Can I just upload / attach these files into this group or will an admin frown at me at some point? I can upload them into my site Givnology.com but probably not direct linked like above "hotlinked" but my webpateexperience where they are now will get full soon doing this..
Second question, baroque patches! This is what I want, similar to "Chamber" on my Yamaha PSR 320 (I think) it works great for bass AND string section sounds!
That's totally unedited sorry! If I find great baroque orchestra sounds that or like Theorbo bass/guitar I'll be in 7th heaven!
Thanks for your time,
Teo
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Re: Early TX816 capacitors
I have actually seen switching power supply designs that will not
work properly with low-ESR capacitors.? The power IC manufacturer
was using the higher resistance for stability in the feedback loop,
IIRC.
That said, these designs all came out in the late '90s or early
'00s, long after the TX816 was designed, so I don't think it's a
problem here.? But it just goes to show:? if some phenomenon exists,
however 'undesirable' to most, some designer somewhere will find a
use for it!? ;-)
Regards,
-BW
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I depends on the design of the PSU.? In some cases, low
ESR capacitors are specified in the datasheet of the
voltage regulator chip, so that's what you need to use.
I can't think of a reason why replacing a higher ESR
capacitor with a low ESR one would be a problem.? Doing it
the other way around definitely can be a problem - at the
very least, doing it to a PSU could cause more ripple or
hum.? At worst, it could destabilise the voltage regulator
and do a lot of damage.
Personally, I'd count most of the "cost" of a repair like
that in terms of my time to do it.? Spending more on the
components isn't likely to bankrupt you.? Using better
specification ones makes it less likely that you'll have
to do it again any time soon.
Andy
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Re: Early TX816 capacitors
In my schematics two of these connected for filtering +5 V rail were rated 10 V.
Daniel Forro
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For the ones interested here's a complete electrolytic capacitors list of both a TF1 module and the PSU:
TF1 MODULE
SME 16V 220 ?F x 4
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I depends on the design of the PSU.? In some cases, low ESR capacitors are specified in the datasheet of the voltage regulator chip, so that's what you need to use.
I can't think of a reason why replacing a higher ESR capacitor with a low ESR one would be a problem.? Doing it the other way around definitely can be a problem - at the very least, doing it to a PSU could cause more ripple or hum.? At worst, it could destabilise the voltage regulator and do a lot of damage.
Personally, I'd count most of the "cost" of a repair like that in terms of my time to do it.? Spending more on the components isn't likely to bankrupt you.? Using better specification ones makes it less likely that you'll have to do it again any time soon.
Andy
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Re: Early TX816 capacitors
After your study of PSU schematics you will understand it’s not necessary.
They used two caps in series because on machines with voltage selector they are used separately when 100 V are selected. Then 200 V is enough reserve.
When 220 Volt is selected, they are connected in series, which makes their total value 235 uF, and voltage is doubled - 400 V. Which is similar to C9 value connected behind L2.
At least if I understand well capacitor math :-)?
Daniel Forro
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C7 C8 - Marcon 200WV 470?F 85°C <<< shouldn't they be of a higher voltage to support the 230V operation?
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I don’t know if it’s necessary to have low ESR caps for PSU, maybe somebody can answer this.
I would use 105 grades.
I will send schematics to your address.
Daniel Forro
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I'll change all the electrolytics of the PSU. Should I order low ESR ones or is this only for the two bipolar 16V 100?F on the TF1 module? Regarding the PSU still, this time taking 105°C instead of 85°C ones?@Daniel: if you have it handy I gladly have your power supply schematics, they aren't part of the service manual nor available on the web it seems. Cheers!?
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I'll change all the electrolytics of the PSU. Should I order low ESR ones or is this only for the two bipolar 16V 100?F on the TF1 module? Regarding the PSU still, this time taking 105°C instead of 85°C ones?
@Daniel: if you have it handy I gladly have your power supply schematics, they aren't part of the service manual nor available on the web it seems. Cheers!
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Re: Early TX816 capacitors
For the ones interested here's a complete electrolytic capacitors list of both a TF1 module and the PSU:
TF1 MODULE
(all caps are 85°C rated otherwise stated)
[Bipolar] Nichicon 16V 100?F x 2
SME 16V 220 ?F x 4
SME 16V 10?F x 3
SME 16V 33?F x 1
ACE 50V 1?F x 2
[Bipolar] SME 25V 4.7?F x 1
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POWER SUPPLY (Yamaha MRF8 // LM PS NP 80900 YUTAKA ELECTRIC)
(all caps are 105°C stated otherwise noted)
C5 C6 C15 C16 - Marcon 35V 10?F
C7 C8 - Marcon 200WV 470?F 85°C <<< shouldn't they be of a higher voltage to support the 230V operation?
C9 - Marcon 400V 220?F
C17 - Marcon 35V 22?F
C18 - Marcon 35V 100?F
C24 C25 - Marcon 25V 2200?F
C29 C30 C31 - Marcon 10V 4700?F
C32 C33 - Marcon 25V 330?F
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Re: Early TX816 capacitors
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I guessed that looking at the 400V
capacitor (why out such a large value if your PSU is
only 110V) and confirming that with the page 30 of
the service manual.
Maybe to have enough reserve for possible power
spikes?
110V is really 120V in many countries 120V RMS is 170V peak; 340V
p-p . if the capacitor cannot get discharged in time.? Probably to
cover for UL/CSA/TUV/etc. safety requirements.
Regards,
-BW
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Exactly, but usually it’s written in documents as underscore to indicate empty spaces :-)
Daniel Forro
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I want to add: when in the docs you see "LM__xxxxxx" the "___" is not really 2 underscore characters but 2 space characters (ascii nr 32 or hexadecimal 20).
MT
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Thanks for your feedback Daniel.
You are welcome!
This article () says it means "Light & Music". Maybe SK and PK would be other companies or other divisions inside Yamaha.
It’s quite possible, PK is usually used for Portable Keyboards. But I think nowadays Yamaha has different internal structure.
Regarding the ID you're correct it seems to indicate a format and not an instrument thus explaining why it would change depending of the firmware's version (a newer firmware would support another SYX format etc…).
No, it is not changed - the SysEx data format stays the same even when new version of OS came. It would be a great confusion to change data format when OS version changes. Besides OS version changes were not publicly known and announced, only authorized serveice technicians were informed…? This ID would be hexadecimal like many other data in the MIDI world (but still written in ASCII) so it's normal to have letters.
I suppose you wanted to say “binary” - MIDI world is not hexadecimal nor decimal nor ASCII. It is only transcribed that way for simplicity.?
And if you mean that this letter “A” as a part of four characters in the header is hexadecimal number, that’s wrong. It’s just ASCII code. Number “A” in hex would have only four bits (binary 1010), but ASCII “A” in the header has one full byte - in hex it is 41 (binary 01000001). Am I right? Can you see the difference?
Regarding my TX the PSU is again in a very nice condition (no buldging/leaking caps nor tarnished solder near them) and I found that the big red wired jumper outside the PSU is actually the voltage selector! Plugged it would make it a 100V one, and unplugged a 220 (or 230V) one!
Great! Probably my TX's with voltage selector are slightly different concerning this red jumper. It’s longer time I did repairs and complete recapping of my TX's and TF's, so I don’t remember such details at all. Too many instruments I did in last years and still there’s a lot of others as they are aging, too. I guessed that looking at the 400V capacitor (why out such a large value if your PSU is only 110V) and confirming that with the page 30 of the service manual.
Maybe to have enough reserve for possible power spikes?
Daniel Forro
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Thanks for this info, but still it didn’t explain the meaning of LM.
Few additions to your info: - header is not indicating the instrument. It is header of SysEx memory dump. So some relative instruments can use the same numbers.
- header is not for one instrument, but for data type. One and the same instrument can have different numbers for Voices, Performances, Multi, Drumset etc. etc. Opposite - different instruments can use the same numbers.
- four numbers are not the last 4 characters of header, it’s followed by two other letters designated type
- not always there are 4 numbers, I have found also 8A21, 8A26, 8A27
- not always there are numbers - sometimes they are replaced by letters (like DX7 II D/FD Fractional Scaling or Microtune)
- there can be added one number at the end if instrument has more data blocks of the same type (like TX81z System or Microtune)?
- not always there is LM__ - I have found instruments which have SK__ or PK__
Yamaha has been using this system around between 1986 - 1998, not on all machines. There were also other systems used in their instruments, sometimes even mixed in one instrument.
If you are interested in, here are some header numbers from my gear, and few others:
TX802 - 8952 TX81z - 8986 (error in the manual?), 8976 V50 - 8976, 8073, 8023 VL1 - 0117, 8101 WT11 - 8976, 8023, 8053 TG500 - 0065, 0066, 0040 SY85 - 0065, 0040 TG77 - 8101, 8104 SY77 - 8101 SY99 - 0040, 8101 TG33 - 0012, PK__2203 SY22/35 - PK__2203? TG55 - 8103 EOS B500 - 0010 DX11 - 8976, 8023 W5/7 - 0147 TQ5, YS100, YS200 - 8023, 8976, 8036 P500 - SK__2356 RM50 - 0087, 0017 DX7 II D/FD - 8973 MEP4 - 8969__ MFC10 - 0271 DMP9-8 - 8A27 DMP9-16 - 8A26 FX900 - 8724 REV5 - 8345 DMP7 - 8344 DMP11 - 8387 MSS1 - 8978 SPX900 - 8636 SPX990 - 8A21 SPX1000 - 8378
You can do your own research from Owner’s and Service Manuals...
Daniel Forro
Mystory solved about the LM strings. From a French book on the MIDI:
"Sauf exception, les quatre derniers octets de cet en-tête identifient en
ASCII le numéro du produit (8387 pour la DMP11, 8976 pour le TX81Z,
etc.), tandis que les quatre premiers, toujours en ASCII, correspondent
aux lettres "LM" (pour LM Division, Nippon Gakki Ltd, participant au
développement logiciel des instruments) suivies de deux espaces."
Translated in english:
"Otherwise noted, the 4 last bytes of the header [of a sysex dump] matches in ASCII the product number (ie. 8387 for a DMP11, 8976 for a TX81Z, etc...), while the first 4 bytes, still in ASCII, are made from the letters "LM" (for LM Division, Nippon Gakki Ltd, one of the protagonists involved into the instrument's software R&D [firmware]) following by two spaces."
So 8950 will be the product number of the TF1, I'm currently looking for a list of all the instruments ID if it exists.
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Thanks for your feedback Daniel.
This article (http://www.muzines.co.uk/articles/inside-views-yamaha/3468) says it means "Light & Music". Maybe SK and PK would be other companies or other divisions inside Yamaha.
Regarding the ID you're correct it seems to indicate a format and not an instrument thus explaining why it would change depending of the firmware's version (a newer firmware would support another SYX format etc...). This ID would be hexadecimal like many other data in the MIDI world (but still written in ASCII) so it's normal to have letters.
Regarding my TX the PSU is again in a very nice condition (no buldging/leaking caps nor tarnished solder near them) and I found that the big red wired jumper outside the PSU is actually the voltage selector! Plugged it would make it a 100V one, and unplugged a 220 (or 230V) one! I guessed that looking at the 400V capacitor (why out such a large value if your PSU is only 110V) and confirming that with the page 30 of the service manual.
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Thanks for this info, but still it didn’t explain the meaning of LM.
Few additions to your info: - header is not indicating the instrument. It is header of SysEx memory dump. So some relative instruments can use the same numbers.
- header is not for one instrument, but for data type. One and the same instrument can have different numbers for Voices, Performances, Multi, Drumset etc. etc. Opposite - different instruments can use the same numbers.
- four numbers are not the last 4 characters of header, it’s followed by two other letters designated type
- not always there are 4 numbers, I have found also 8A21, 8A26, 8A27
- not always there are numbers - sometimes they are replaced by letters (like DX7 II D/FD Fractional Scaling or Microtune)
- there can be added one number at the end if instrument has more data blocks of the same type (like TX81z System or Microtune)?
- not always there is LM__ - I have found instruments which have SK__ or PK__
Yamaha has been using this system around between 1986 - 1998, not on all machines. There were also other systems used in their instruments, sometimes even mixed in one instrument.
If you are interested in, here are some header numbers from my gear, and few others:
TX802 - 8952 TX81z - 8986 (error in the manual?), 8976 V50 - 8976, 8073, 8023 VL1 - 0117, 8101 WT11 - 8976, 8023, 8053 TG500 - 0065, 0066, 0040 SY85 - 0065, 0040 TG77 - 8101, 8104 SY77 - 8101 SY99 - 0040, 8101 TG33 - 0012, PK__2203 SY22/35 - PK__2203? TG55 - 8103 EOS B500 - 0010 DX11 - 8976, 8023 W5/7 - 0147 TQ5, YS100, YS200 - 8023, 8976, 8036 P500 - SK__2356 RM50 - 0087, 0017 DX7 II D/FD - 8973 MEP4 - 8969__ MFC10 - 0271 DMP9-8 - 8A27 DMP9-16 - 8A26 FX900 - 8724 REV5 - 8345 DMP7 - 8344 DMP11 - 8387 MSS1 - 8978 SPX900 - 8636 SPX990 - 8A21 SPX1000 - 8378
You can do your own research from Owner’s and Service Manuals...
Daniel Forro
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Mystory solved about the LM strings. From a French book on the MIDI:
"Sauf exception, les quatre derniers octets de cet en-tête identifient en
ASCII le numéro du produit (8387 pour la DMP11, 8976 pour le TX81Z,
etc.), tandis que les quatre premiers, toujours en ASCII, correspondent
aux lettres "LM" (pour LM Division, Nippon Gakki Ltd, participant au
développement logiciel des instruments) suivies de deux espaces."
Translated in english:
"Otherwise noted, the 4 last bytes of the header [of a sysex dump] matches in ASCII the product number (ie. 8387 for a DMP11, 8976 for a TX81Z, etc...), while the first 4 bytes, still in ASCII, are made from the letters "LM" (for LM Division, Nippon Gakki Ltd, one of the protagonists involved into the instrument's software R&D [firmware]) following by two spaces."
So 8950 will be the product number of the TF1, I'm currently looking for a list of all the instruments ID if it exists.
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