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Back to FM-Synthesis...
Thierry Pottier
Hi all you boys and girls in the FM-synthesis world.
So I'm back to DX-sounds with my newly purchased TX81Z, I had been thinking about IT for months, looking at web pages, pdf manual and so... My first question will be: I first figured out that it was a stereo device, but, if I clearly understood, the stereo panning is very basic, isn't it? Only 3 positions through (Left, Center, Right) output assign: am I wrong ??? Next question: I once had a DX9, and spent much time programming it (I loved this !!!). I still have my DX9, but it is dead (still sending MIDI messages, but not uttering any sound). My tape stored data won't help, but my paper data sheets will. I started yesterday programming my TX81Z out of these sheets, but then the problem is to convert those DX9 parameters into TX81Z parameters. (envelope rates and levels, detune,...) I know (dx7-owner@...)'s page: and thanks for that: it helps. But it might be uncomplete. Any one knows where to get further infos? Last question, I believe I won't get any positive answer: anyone knows a way to replace the internal preset sounds for one's favorite sounds? There might be an Eprom somewhere inside, where the data for these presets are stored, & which we could replace. Or is it less simple? Kisses where it hurts. Thierry ______________________________________________________ Bo?te aux lettres - Caramail - |
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DX300? / FS2R?
jiles
i've been wondering what is the future like for yamaha fm? are they just
going to leave the new crop at the FS1R and DX200? or are we gonna see a FS2R and DX300? if so what developments will they make? i guess none of us can know for certain (unless maybe you work for yamaha), but what are people expecting? cheers! |
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Re: DX100 patches to FS1R?
Summa
hey Summa, sorry I've been a little late with my response works keeping mebusy. Never mind, I'm busy myself... Try to get the free Sounddiver OEM Version for the FS1R, you probably havelast year I uploaded my first 33 patches, mostly try outs, bt maybe they'reThanks, I'll try and check them out once I figure out how to send sysex via to contact your local Yamaha central and they'll send you a CD, it's working for MAC and PC and can import sysex. It also can read the .LIB file I put into my ZIP. Other then that it should be possible to use a sequencer to transfer the .mid file into the FS1R. You probably just have to make sure that sysex filtering is turned off... sysex >so don't go out of your way or anything.Ahhh, I guess it's the "LateylyBass", I heard of it, and have a version ofWow! that would be very cool but I still haven't figured out how to send Btw. how is the LatelyBass normaly used in the song, as single sound or doubled and detuned in a performance? The more I think about it finding a good deal on a DX100 wouldnt be such a badWell, you maybe should try to get a TX81z instead, it can read DX100 sound, has better D/A converters, additional operator waveforms, 8 times multitimbrality... Lateyly >Bass.But maybe someone already converted it to the DX7, it seems to be a famousI haven't checked on the DX7, I checked the FS1R and I didn't see any There are tons of DX7 sound out there in the net... choose. I'llBtw. have you tried all the bass presets in the DX voice banks F65 till G39,No, I recently bought the a DX7 IIFD to use as a master control keyboard so have to go over all the voices again and check it out.When you have your FS1R new it's maybe a bit hard to find them, since not all of the converted DX voices are also used in the performances.... hey thanks again for the tips, i owe you one!... just think of me when you're famous ;) Summa + + + /\ /\ /\ + /\/ \ / \ +++++++/++\++/++++++\++/+++ \ /\ /\ / O / \/ \/ \ / \/ \ | | / | /---- /\ / + \/ \\---/ ---- | | / \/ + /\ / \---- + / \ / + Nicknames : Summa or SumGhost + AIM : Flotorian + Born : 1967 + Profession : Student of Computer Science + A Touch of Future - Project : Casio CZ Synth Station : Boycott the Premium Artist Service!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at |
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Re: DX100 patches to FS1R?
technopurist
Summa wrote:
Hi,hey Summa, sorry I've been a little late with my response works keeping me busy. last year I uploaded my first 33 patches, mostly try outs, bt maybe they'reThanks, I'll try and check them out once I figure out how to send sysex via Midi. I only know how use the FS1R Editor and DX7 Librarian 1.2.6 for my DX7 IIFD. Ahhh, I guess it's the "LateylyBass", I heard of it, and have a version ofWow! that would be very cool but I still haven't figured out how to send sysex so don't go out of your way or anything. The more I think about it finding a good deal on a DX100 wouldnt be such a bad thing. I haven't checked on the DX7, I checked the FS1R and I didn't see any Lateyly Bass. The FS1R has a bunch of usable bass voices though, sometimes it's hard to choose. Btw. have you tried all the bass presets in the DX voice banks F65 till G39,No, I recently bought the a DX7 IIFD to use as a master control keyboard so I'll have to go over all the voices again and check it out. hey thanks again for the tips, i owe you one! Peace. Stephen. |
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Ibanez UE 405 Analog delay/chorus/EQ/Compressor FOR SALE
paul vetrone
Rack mount has nice analog delay, chorus, slide adjust EQ, and Compressor, can used singly or as groups. Nice cosmetic condition 100% functional. I have original foot control unit, has on/off for all functions and a lot of cable. Direct power - no wall wart
$200 plus shipping call 218-384-9857 or e-mail thx Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at |
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Digital Music MX-8 and MX-28S FOR SALE
paul vetrone
The MX-8 is a rack mount programmable MIDI patch bay. Includes instruction manual. Cosmetically good some rack wear, 100% functional
$60 plus shipping The MX-28s is separate MIDI patch box with 2 inputs and 8 manual selectable outs, wall wart power supply included. Still in box with instructions $60 plus shipping Take both for $125 including shipping and I'll throw in a couple MIDI cables thx Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at |
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Roland MKS-30 w/PG-200 FOR SALE
paul vetrone
MKS-30 Planet S 100% functional, minor rack wear, with instruction manual, also PG-200 programmer with case and cable. Includes a M-16C memory cartridge $300 plus shipping. Prefer to sell as package but will consider offers
call 218-384-9857 or e-mail thx Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at |
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Re: found a new page with DX7 patches
Richard F
In message <3B1C5FA0.1A6E20F4@...>, mango <j.kolling@...>
writes haven't tried them yet, but i thought i'd forward it to the list anyway.Another mindless windup. Don't people have anything better to do with their time than create useless web pages -- Richard F |
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Re: DX100 patches to FS1R?
Summa
Hi,
At 22:46 03.06.01 -0500, you wrote: Summa wrote:They may still have problems, try to mail to Jay Vaughan <jay@...>Hi,howdyI still get a failure notice: hopefully he answer you mail, unless it gets lost in the phile of other mails caused by the un - resubsciption of all the list users. last year I uploaded my first 33 patches, mostly try outs, bt maybe they'reWhen you don't want to convert 4OP sounds, you mostly don't need veryYeah, it seems like there is endless possibilities coming up with new and of use for you... Ahhh, I guess it's the "LateylyBass", I heard of it, and have a version ofI want that DX100 bass sound, like you hear in older Detroit techno.set up DX100 patches but I guess this is a little more complicated then II don't know an easy way ... have you programmed those DX100 patches that sound in the presets of my TX81z, but I'm not sure if it sounds exactly like the DX100 Version, since it uses the additional TX waveforms... If it's the only sound you need I'll see if I find the time converting it to the FS1R... I never done a conversion but it isn't a very complex sound so shouldn't be too hard... I could also programm the formant and FM knobs to add some realtime control... But maybe someone already converted it to the DX7, it seems to be a famous 4OP sound, have you checked all the avaiable libs... Btw. have you tried all the bass presets in the DX voice banks F65 till G39, I think some of them come at least close to the LatelyBass and would be a good start for to reprogramm that sound for the FS1R... Summa + + + /\ /\ /\ + /\/ \ / \ +++++++/++\++/++++++\++/+++ \ /\ /\ / O / \/ \/ \ / \/ \ | | / | /---- /\ / + \/ \\---/ ---- | | / \/ + /\ / \---- + / \ / + Nicknames : Summa or SumGhost + AIM : Flotorian + Born : 1967 + Profession : Student of Computer Science + A Touch of Future - Project : Casio CZ Synth Station : Boycott the Premium Artist Service!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at |
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Re: DX100 patches to FS1R?
stephen
Summa wrote:
Hi,howdy I still get a failure notice: from MAILER-DAEMON@... Summa wrote: Yeah, it seems like there is endless possibilities coming up with new and interesting sounds on the FS1R. My problem is I'm not very knowledgeable about FM synthesis, I usually find a voice I like and use the editor going through different algorithms, change the operator waveforms, mess around with the filter ect... I find that most of the time it sounds great the way it is especially when you tweak the FM and Format knobs. I want that DX100 bass sound, like you hear in older Detroit techno.set up DX100 patches but I guess this is a little more complicated then II don't know an easy way ... have you programmed those DX100 patches A simple 4OP simulation would be satisfactory, I really dont want to go out and buy a DX100. Stephen |
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Just bought a DX7IID - question
Richard F
Hi all
I've just bought a faulty DX7IID that according to a 'pro' shop was going to cost ?200Uk for a new board, and I've repaired it down to component level for under ?1UK!!. So much for engineers in shops! Anyway, what I need to know is, does the DX7IID need different voices from the DX7 as I believe there were changes/additions made to the machine. Also, what is the latest version of software and how can I tell what's in mine (anyone know the problems/improvements in the different versions) I've tried to access Dave Bensons DX7 web site but all it wants to do is download as a file. -- Richard F |
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Re: DX100 patches to FS1R?
Summa
Hi,
At 03:45 02.06.01 -0500, you wrote: Summa wrote:Teklab had some problems lately you may should try it again know, since itI get no response when I send email to: fss-list-unsubscribe@... seems they have reinitialised the mailing list... almost all list memeber got an unsubscription message even so they're still subscribed... way to >A carrier is/are the operator(s) of an algorithm you can hear, all the otherhmmm... I'm still a bit confused but I'll try looking over the various When you don't want to convert 4OP sounds, you mostly don't need very complex algorithms with the FS1R, because of the overtone rich operator waveforms you hardly need more then 2 or 3 operators in a row, to create interesting sounds... set up DX100 patches but I guess this is a little more complicated then II don't know an easy way ... have you programmed those DX100 patches yourself or do you need those sounds for older tracks... Maybe someone knows a way to convert 4Op sounds into DX7 patches that can be loaded diretly into the FS1R... Summa + + + /\ /\ /\ + /\/ \ / \ +++++++/++\++/++++++\++/+++ \ /\ /\ / O / \/ \/ \ / \/ \ | | / | /---- /\ / + \/ \\---/ ---- | | / \/ + /\ / \---- + / \ / + Nicknames : Summa or SumGhost + AIM : Flotorian + Born : 1967 + Profession : Student of Computer Science + A Touch of Future - Project : Casio CZ Synth Station : Boycott the Premium Artist Service!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at |
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Re: DX100 patches to FS1R?
stephen
make that I get no response when I send email to: fss-list-subscribe@...
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Re: DX100 patches to FS1R?
stephen
Summa wrote:
I get no response when I send email to: fss-list-unsubscribe@... Maybe i should try sending Atom email. hmmm... I'm still a bit confused but I'll try looking over the various algorithms, #77 sounds like a good place to start. I was kinda hoping someone familiar with the FS1R editor knew of an easy way to set up DX100 patches but I guess this is a little more complicated then I thought. thanks, Stephen. |
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Re: DX100 patches to FS1R?
Summa
Hi Stephen,
At 02:22 01.06.01 -0500, you wrote: Summa wrote:Page...For more links and Tips take a look at Atoms "-UNOFFICIAL- Yamaha FS1R" the 4OP DX sound.The FS1R mailing List at Teklab had a lot of discussions and ideas about converting 4OP FM patches to the FS1R, thats why Atom included that into his page. I tired doing this using the FS1R editor for the Mac but I'm a bit confused byA carrier is/are the operator(s) of an algorithm you can hear, all the other operators are modulators that you can't hear directly, you only hear the modulators inlfuence on the carrier ... So if you look at algorithm # 1 of the FS1R you have only carriers, take algorithm #66 the operator 8 is the carrier, the rest are modulators. Another example is algorithm # 72 where operator 8 and 4 are carriers and as always the rest are modulators... So to recreate a 4OP DX100 patch I would only use 4 OP's with three in KeyBy chosing the right algorithm like #77 that should be comparable with #5 of a 4 Op FM synth... anyway, if the maximum volume of the 4OP modulator you emulate isn't too high, you sometimes only need 2 or even one modulator instead of all three. It depends on the sound you want to convert... If you need more informations you'd better join the FS1R mailing list, since I'm not a specialist in converting 4Op -> 8Op. I'm using my TX81z when I want to use my 4Op sounds, use the FS1R for my new ones. I hope that helps a bit! Summa + + + /\ /\ /\ + /\/ \ / \ +++++++/++\++/++++++\++/+++ \ /\ /\ / O / \/ \/ \ / \/ \ | | / | /---- /\ / + \/ \\---/ ---- | | / \/ + /\ / \---- + / \ / + Nicknames : Summa or SumGhost + AIM : Flotorian + Born : 1967 + Profession : Student of Computer Science + A Touch of Future - Project : Casio CZ Synth Station : Boycott the Premium Artist Service!!! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at |
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Re: DX100 patches to FS1R?
stephen
Summa wrote:
For more links and Tips take a look at Atoms "-UNOFFICIAL- Yamaha FS1R" Page... Thanks for the links! Looks like Atom Smashers page has the info I'm looking for: (Getting 'Harsh' Sounds Out Of The FS1R) I may not be able to load DX100 patches into the FS1R but you can emulate the 4OP DX sound. I tired doing this using the FS1R editor for the Mac but I'm a bit confused by what he means by 'carrier'. In the FS1R editor I'll open up the voice editor and go to the OSC menu which shows 8 OP's. So to recreate a 4OP DX100 patch I would only use 4 OP's with three in Key Sync, set on Sine, OP level at 99, and the fourth OP would be used as the carrier? How do you set the fourth OP to be the carrier? Stephen. |
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