Okay, that's cool :)
I think the Nord modulars are quite nice, maybe if i have some excess money
sometime i'll get one too; the Nord modular quite intrigues me as an effects
processor... but i find it's just a little bit too expensive for me to use as
a non professional just as an fx machine. :)

Jeroen Kesselring wrote:

No need to apologise....

Welcome to the list by the way... Do you have a DX or TX synth ? If so,
which one?

Mango.

I've got a new song that features my Yamaha FS1R on the lead and my
Waldorf MicroQ on the rest. The FS1R patch is a killer
clavinet/distortion-wah sound.

its called "One Phat Track" and its at



Most of my other songs have featured the following instruments:

Yamaha DX7, DX5, and TX-416 (TX-816 with only four TF-1 modules,
which I recently sold (boo hoo), Kawai K3, K5, K5m and K5000s)

Probable the most DX-Heavy song is "Fever Dreams" - Its ALL Dx except
for the drums.

I love my FS1R - it doesn't sound any different at all from my other
DX's when playing DX7 sounds, except for the noise.

Joel

I'm not sure where the confusion over the following came from (maybe I mistyped), but let me
clarify: TX802 is 6-op 1 (sine) waveform. TX81z is 4-op 8 waveform.

TX802 is basically an 8-part multitimberal DX-7II in a 2-space rack.

I'm not sure what the modules were called--they have to be used together--but I recall seeing
people selling the TX816 with only 4 of the 8 modules installed or something--and I'm not sure
what that was called--maybe TX416, maybe "half" a TX816.

Hope it's clear to us all now. I know I'm confused.

Shayme

Just want to clear up a little confusion.

The TX816 is not 8 TX802 buy any means.

The Yamaha TX816 is modular--that is, it is built up of little

"modules"--up

to 8 total. Each module is an independant DX7--or more similarly, probably

a

TX7. So, if you have all 8 modules in a TX816, you can have up to 8

distinct

parts/voices/patches playing simultaneously, but with 16 polyphony on each
module (I think).

I think the TX816 is based on older DX7 (6 operator) technology.

However, the TX802 is based on the newer DX7II technology.

Thanks. I knew what the 816 was (other than the rack size), but apparently
not the 802. Sorry about that.

So what were the units called that went in the 816? You didn't have to buy
all 8 at once.

And if the 802 has 8 waveforms AND 6 oscillators, that would indeed be cool.
I have the 4-op-8-waveform TQ-5, which I don't use much anymore, but
6-op.... Ooh!

Jay Ricketts

The FS1r has multiple waveforms as well. Has anyone tried TX81z patches
in it?

Nathan
On 19 Jan 2001 10:37:15 -0000 YamahaDX@... writes:

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Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DX27 upgrade to a TX7 and FS1r
From: "shayme" <shayme@...>

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 03:18:08 -0700
From: "shayme" <shayme@...>
Subject: Re: DX27 upgrade to a TX7 and FS1r

I wish I could say this with more confidence, but I'm 90% sure that
the TX7
would be superfluous/redundant/overkill if you own an FS1r. The
only
advantage I can think of would be an extra timber available and
extra
polyphony for DX7 (6-operator) sounds.

But, the FS1r has 4-part multitimbrality, and a fair amount of
polyphony. I
haven't tried to "sysex dump" every DX7 patch in existence to my
FS1r, but
Yamaha claims they will all work. So it should play every sound the
TX7/DX7
can play.

Also, the TX7 is unfortunate in that it is not a standard rack-mount
module.
I'd shy away from this one--there are better options (see TX802
below).

In short: having both would be overkill.

My advice: buy a FS1r--this is one of the most impressive
synthesizers I've
ever worked with.

After you buy it, if you find yourself wanting more straight-FM
sounds,
without effects (note: the FS1r has awesome effects, and is the only
Yamaha
FM synth to have real effects), buy the 6-operator TX802 (I also own
one of
these, and it is basically 8 DX7/TX7s in a 2-space rackmount) or
the
4-operator TX81z (which I also own). I think the DX27, a 4-operator
synth,
is it the same as the TX81z module.

Be aware that, although the TX81z (and DX27) have "only" 4
operators, the
TX81z has 8 waveforms to select from, so it is a little bit
different than
all the Yamaha DX7 line, which have 6 operators but only 1
wavefore--sine.
Therefore, I think the TX81z complements the FS1r better than the
DX7/TX7/TX802, even though the DX7 is better than the TX81z. It can
make
sounds that the DX7 can't, and since the FS1r can make all the DX7
sounds,
it would be better to have a TX81z (or DX27 if it has 8 waveforms,
which I
believe it does).

And, the FS1r's version of FM is 8-operator. For compatibility with
DX7
sounds, the 2 extra operators are not used.

If you don't know and understand the differences in Yamaha's FM
synth lines,
you should do more research before buying anything. I recommend
these 2
sites to start:



and



Hope this helps.


Shayme

p.s. Check ebay for FS1r and TX802 (and everything else). There is
currently
at least 1 FS1r and 1 TX802 for sale. Someday, I might sell my
TX802, but I
bet I never sell the FS1r.


----- Original Message -----
From: <slagg@...>
To: <YamahaDX@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:05 PM
Subject: [YamahaDX] DX27 upgrade to a TX7 and FS1r

Hey everyone. Just wondering if the TX7 has any disadvantages
compared to the DX27 (besides the keyboard). I'm thinking about
selling/trading the DX27 for the TX7 and then buying an FS1r.

Would

having a TX7 and an FS1r be overkill or do the two complement
eachother at all?

Also, does anyone know of any retailers who still have FS1r's

around

or is anyone interested in selling theirs?

Thanks!
Matt

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Just want to clear up a little confusion.

The TX816 is not 8 TX802 buy any means.

The Yamaha TX816 is modular--that is, it is built up of little "modules"--up
to 8 total. Each module is an independant DX7--or more similarly, probably a
TX7. So, if you have all 8 modules in a TX816, you can have up to 8 distinct
parts/voices/patches playing simultaneously, but with 16 polyphony on each
module (I think).

I think the TX816 is based on older DX7 (6 operator) technology.

However, the TX802 is based on the newer DX7II technology. This is a
meaningful improvement in and sound quality (I've read). But I know that the
TX802 has a much better user interface (a 2x32 LCD display, I think)
compared to the TX816--which has just 2 numbers per patch (as I recall).

Further, I think the TX816 is a 3u high rack unit, compared to the 2u high
TX802.

Further, the TX802 can also be up to 8 distinct parts/voices/patches, but
with 16 polyphony for all patches in TOTAL. Don't fret--how much 6-op FM do
you really need to hear simultaneously? There are lots of other advantages,
like the ability for all 8 parts to share the same patch RAM and patch RAM
cards, and it also has--in addition to the user-editable bank--2 or 3 banks
of sounds in ROM that are classic DX7 sounds--so you have access to lots of
classic 6-op sounds without dumping sounds.

My advice is to steer away from the TX7 and TX816. Go for the FS1r and/or
TX802.


Shayme

Hi all,
I've just joined this group. Glad to find it.
I have a DX&s and have not used for some time. This is mainly due to
space. I have little room for it to sit so i was considering selling
and getting a rack DX. So my question is which one should I go for.
I'm a little confused as to whioch is which. Am i right in saying
that the TX81Z is a 4 op unit and the TX802 is a 6. So what is the
TX816?
Thanks and I look forward to getting some DX sounds out on show again.
Jamie

Hi Jamie, welcome to the list.

If I remember correctly, the 816 was 8 separate 802s mounted together in a
big rackmount unit (6 space?). It was cool, but the display was limited -
patch number, not name - you had to do some listkeeping.

This is all a very vague memory - you might want to check out harmony
central or other reference sites for more authoritative info.

Jay

Jay

Find the TX81Z pages at the following site -- www.audiogrill.com --
there's a few links that will lead you to a couple decent free patch
collections.

As for program changes and such, are all your midi devices set to to
transmit and receive on their own channels? If your sequencer is
transmitting in midi omni mode, and/or the TX is set up to receive in
midi omni mode, that's what will cause the kind of problem you are
experiencing.

Cheers
Glenn

--- In YamahaDX@..., "Steve Netting" <egroups@m...> wrote:

Wow! I've just got my hands on a TX81Z. I new I was missing
something in my setup, and I thought that was a range of analogue
gear ... but now I've stumbled accross FM ... I'm amazed.

I always thought FM sounded rather weak ... classically

80'esque ...

clasically FM soundcard weak. I remember the DX7 had some lovely
sounds, but I didn't think they'd stand up to much in todays world

of

sample based synths and the whole heap of analogue gear which is

now

trendy.

However, I immediately fell in love with the TX81. I'd heard the
OS was horrid, and yet I could navigate my way around all the
important options within seconds. Setting up the performance/multi-
timbral side was easy, I love the basic way of routing sounds to
individual ouputs, and the simple way of limiting polophony per

part.

The display is small, but incredibly clear for its age ... and the
sounds (which I suspect are presets) are stunning. I know I can
probably get much better out of this once I start playing with my

own

sounds ...

Personally, I tend to write bleepy stuff, almost trancey, almost
industrial ... and I'm sure this synth will be just what's needed

for

all those bleeps and distorted weirdness. - not to mention sub-
harmonic basses and phasey pads. FuzzPiano happens to be the

exact

sound I've been looking for ... and all in a preset :)

Anyway, enough enthusing ... I've been searching the web for
patches, but all I can find so far are commercial patches for sale.
I did find some TX81 patches contained in a few '.mid' files (sysex
data) but when loaded into cakewalk and played - all my other gear
responds (or at least acknowledges it's receiving midi data) but

the

TX81 doesn't do anything. Mem protect is off, and the TX will

talk

quite happily with sound-diver - so the whole midi side is fine.

Would anyone happen to know where I can get sound-diver compatable
patches for the Tx81Z? Or ... a way to get the synth to respond
properly to sysex data embedded in a midi file... ?

Any help would be appreciated ... !


Thanks,


Steve (who still can't believe he picked up a TX81Z for ?65)

Actually that reminds me...CAN the DX-27 import/sample sounds? I am under the impression that it can only modify/program the pre-existing sounds. If not, has anyone out there had sucess stories about changing the sounds in their DX-27? I am really looking to modify some of those nasty cheesy sounds, I am wondering how far I can go with it.

m
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Actually...the DX27 uses sine waves only. Unless you mean the LFO,
in which case there is indeed 4 waveforms (saw up, square, triangle,
and sample/hold).

I am new to this list, but I am pretty sure the DX-27 has 4

waveforms

choices, not 8. PLease speak up if anyone knows differently (I have

the

manual but have not done programming yet)

m
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I am new to this list, but I am pretty sure the DX-27 has 4 waveforms choices, not 8. PLease speak up if anyone knows differently (I have the manual but have not done programming yet)

m
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I wish I could say this with more confidence, but I'm 90% sure that the TX7
would be superfluous/redundant/overkill if you own an FS1r. The only
advantage I can think of would be an extra timber available and extra
polyphony for DX7 (6-operator) sounds.

But, the FS1r has 4-part multitimbrality, and a fair amount of polyphony. I
haven't tried to "sysex dump" every DX7 patch in existence to my FS1r, but
Yamaha claims they will all work. So it should play every sound the TX7/DX7
can play.

Also, the TX7 is unfortunate in that it is not a standard rack-mount module.
I'd shy away from this one--there are better options (see TX802 below).

In short: having both would be overkill.

My advice: buy a FS1r--this is one of the most impressive synthesizers I've
ever worked with.

After you buy it, if you find yourself wanting more straight-FM sounds,
without effects (note: the FS1r has awesome effects, and is the only Yamaha
FM synth to have real effects), buy the 6-operator TX802 (I also own one of
these, and it is basically 8 DX7/TX7s in a 2-space rackmount) or the
4-operator TX81z (which I also own). I think the DX27, a 4-operator synth,
is it the same as the TX81z module.

Be aware that, although the TX81z (and DX27) have "only" 4 operators, the
TX81z has 8 waveforms to select from, so it is a little bit different than
all the Yamaha DX7 line, which have 6 operators but only 1 wavefore--sine.
Therefore, I think the TX81z complements the FS1r better than the
DX7/TX7/TX802, even though the DX7 is better than the TX81z. It can make
sounds that the DX7 can't, and since the FS1r can make all the DX7 sounds,
it would be better to have a TX81z (or DX27 if it has 8 waveforms, which I
believe it does).

And, the FS1r's version of FM is 8-operator. For compatibility with DX7
sounds, the 2 extra operators are not used.

If you don't know and understand the differences in Yamaha's FM synth lines,
you should do more research before buying anything. I recommend these 2
sites to start:



and



Hope this helps.


Shayme

p.s. Check ebay for FS1r and TX802 (and everything else). There is currently
at least 1 FS1r and 1 TX802 for sale. Someday, I might sell my TX802, but I
bet I never sell the FS1r.

Hey everyone. Just wondering if the TX7 has any disadvantages
compared to the DX27 (besides the keyboard). I'm thinking about
selling/trading the DX27 for the TX7 and then buying an FS1r. Would
having a TX7 and an FS1r be overkill or do the two complement
eachother at all?

Also, does anyone know of any retailers who still have FS1r's around
or is anyone interested in selling theirs?

Thanks!
Matt

Wow! I've just got my hands on a TX81Z. I new I was missing
something in my setup, and I thought that was a range of analogue
gear ... but now I've stumbled accross FM ... I'm amazed.

I always thought FM sounded rather weak ... classically 80'esque ...
clasically FM soundcard weak. I remember the DX7 had some lovely
sounds, but I didn't think they'd stand up to much in todays world of
sample based synths and the whole heap of analogue gear which is now
trendy.

However, I immediately fell in love with the TX81. I'd heard the
OS was horrid, and yet I could navigate my way around all the
important options within seconds. Setting up the performance/multi-
timbral side was easy, I love the basic way of routing sounds to
individual ouputs, and the simple way of limiting polophony per part.
The display is small, but incredibly clear for its age ... and the
sounds (which I suspect are presets) are stunning. I know I can
probably get much better out of this once I start playing with my own
sounds ...

Personally, I tend to write bleepy stuff, almost trancey, almost
industrial ... and I'm sure this synth will be just what's needed for
all those bleeps and distorted weirdness. - not to mention sub-
harmonic basses and phasey pads. FuzzPiano happens to be the exact
sound I've been looking for ... and all in a preset :)

Anyway, enough enthusing ... I've been searching the web for
patches, but all I can find so far are commercial patches for sale.
I did find some TX81 patches contained in a few '.mid' files (sysex
data) but when loaded into cakewalk and played - all my other gear
responds (or at least acknowledges it's receiving midi data) but the
TX81 doesn't do anything. Mem protect is off, and the TX will talk
quite happily with sound-diver - so the whole midi side is fine.

Would anyone happen to know where I can get sound-diver compatable
patches for the Tx81Z? Or ... a way to get the synth to respond
properly to sysex data embedded in a midi file... ?

Any help would be appreciated ... !


Thanks,


Steve (who still can't believe he picked up a TX81Z for ?65)

Hi all,
I've just joined this group. Glad to find it.
I have a DX&s and have not used for some time. This is mainly due to
space. I have little room for it to sit so i was considering selling
and getting a rack DX. So my question is which one should I go for.
I'm a little confused as to whioch is which. Am i right in saying
that the TX81Z is a 4 op unit and the TX802 is a 6. So what is the
TX816?
Thanks and I look forward to getting some DX sounds out on show again.
Jamie

Hi


Been working with the programmers of STEEM, the Atari Emulator for PC
and I
am happy to report it works for Midi now with the latest version.

Go here:



Get ver 1.4 and a TOS image and you are set to go.

There is DX-heaven on my site along with Genedit, plus more stuff on the
Atari-midi file section that will work with it. (see sig)

Plus you can grab some of those unique Atari apps like Omega KCS,
RealTime,
Tunesmith, M, Mididraw, MidiJoy, AFSTS, David Snow apps and more.

let me know how it works for any of you.

DX heaven is Just That for DX programming. Also if you have an Fb01 or
TX81Z, the 4-op deluxe is.... well....DELUXE!!

Tim
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Hi, has a lot of info about -almost- any synth
;)
i think you can find a lot of answers there ;)

mango

JamCress@... wrote:

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Hi,

You can find a guide to program your DX21/27/100 and lots of other
information on this site:

-Jan


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