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Re: Controller assignment in DX7 family
Greg Holwell
How can I write about a topic this big when I have never had a 6-operator DX/TX to test it. It looks to me that dx7chan.zip changes the MIDI channel for a DX7 Mark I VCED and what seems to be the associated function parameters. But both this and dx7param.zip (which restricts itself to voice A in the equivalent DX7II ACED or TX7 performance) have problems with?multi-timbral synths like DX7II orTX802 which have 2 or more VCED/ACED pairs. A friend had a PLG150DX which from the manual had 912 preset sounds using General MIDI Bank Select, but what did it have for the 64 user sounds?? And whither the DX200? |
Re: Request for PLG150-DX files from the old Yahoo Group
These are all great, thank you very much. There might not have been any actual PLG service manuals; it was vague from the original post what exactly he had, he may have been describing these service manuals that have the PLG card schematics included. So, if there were any other Yamaha synths that came with PLG cards, we might discover more schematics.
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Re: Request for PLG150-DX files from the old Yahoo Group
I've gone through all the files I have from the various Yamaha/DX groups I was part of (which I fully archived, which shouldn't have missed anything), but I'm not seeing any PLG card service manuals. The best I can do for you is a Yamaha DX200 service manual, which does include a diagram of the PLG-150DX card, like the AN200 manual linked to earlier (I've attached a copy of that from my files as well). Thanks, Max On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 3:26 AM nikitalita via <nikitalita=[email protected]> wrote: Hi, DX200_E_SM_part1.pdf
DX200_E_SM_part1.pdf
DX200_E_SM_part2.pdf
DX200_E_SM_part2.pdf
AN200_E_SM.pdf
AN200_E_SM.pdf
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Re: Request for PLG150-DX files from the old Yahoo Group
Please find my collection of PLG150DX items in a 7z file on wetransfer ...
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Regards, Paul On 11-Jun-22 03:26, Gesine wrote:
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Re: Request for PLG150-DX files from the old Yahoo Group
Try also and if you have manuals, you can upload them to ManualsLibrary to share with other people -- When groups moved from the disintegrating-yahoo-groups to groups.io, Mark Fletcher, who designed the original yahoo groups (before it was even yahoo) and who designed and runs groups.io, did his best to transfer the archived messages and as much of the files as could be gotten -- but a lot of file stuff in many groups couldn't be copied, yahoo-groups was falling apart too much. And corollary, if find stuff, could put in the Files section here!? |
Re: Request for PLG150-DX files from the old Yahoo Group
There's a working link for the AN-200 service manual, in the second post on this page, by tux:
(links to ) It contains the circuit diagram of the PLG150-AN, on the last page.? That's all I've found, so far. That forum is a good place to ask.? There's also a Downloads section there (start at the main forum page and scroll down til you see it).? There are service manuals for a lot of old Yamaha gear, but I can't see any for those cards. I downloaded as much as I could of all the yahoo groups I was a member of, including the three Yamaha ones (YamahaDX, YamahaDXfiles and yamahablackboxes) but I can't see them in any of those.? I can't be sure I got it all, of course. - Andy |
Request for PLG150-DX files from the old Yahoo Group
Hi,
I am searching for the service manuals for the Yamaha PLG expansion cards. It appears that this group used to have them back on Yahoo, and I have found reference to them here:? However, searching through the files that are currently available, I don't seem to see any of them. It appears they have not been uploaded yet. Could someone please re-upload these files? According to the date of the post, they were uploaded prior to October 28, 2008. |
Re: TX802 Factory Banks
Bruce Wahler
开云体育Hi Jon,I'd be happy to -- except that it's probably a little disappointing:? just two small banks, maybe? 20-25 sounds each.? A few of the sounds are detuned clones of other patches to use as a detuned layer set.? It would easily fit in a pair of original DX7's.? ? ________ Backgrounder:? I play in a one-man act called Bruce Andrews and the No Street Band ("No Street," because there's no band).? I do a lot of '80s and '90s, and the DX sound was a big part of the '80s.? My rig, though, has a lot of other sonic pieces:? Nord Stage 3, DSI Tetra, SampleTank 4, Minimonsta, Oddity 2, and Cakewalk by Bandlab to hold it all together, and provide prerecorded backup harmonies. As such, I'm not trying to emulate subtractive synthesis; I have one real analog synth, and three virtual ones, at my fingers.? I'm also not trying to emulate piano, saxophone, or strings; the Stage has that pretty well covered.? The OPS7 only has to fill in the 'DX-y stuff':? glassy bells, synth pads, etc.? Sometimes extra horns and harpsichord, when the Stage is too busy doing other things.? Maybe a pulse line to mimic a chugging rhythm guitar.? I don't even use the 'DX Rhodes' sound; I never liked it that much, and thought it was overused back in the day.? And I never did much with alternative tunings and such on the TX.? But for say, Tears for Fears, or a song like "Drive" by the Cars, it takes center stage. ________
and finally:
Regards,
-BW Bruce Wahler Halfmoon-Switch.com? bw@... 978.597.7008 ? On 5/7/2022 3:30 AM, Jon Kubis wrote:
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Re: TX802 Factory Banks
Hey?Bruce! Any chance of sharing your OPS7 banks with the corrected?patches? I've got OPS7 and that sounds like a blast to check out! JK On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 9:52 AM Bruce Wahler via <bw=[email protected]> wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 03:01 PM, Bruce Wahler wrote: |
Re: TX802 Factory Banks
开云体育? Very cool! Thanks for the post-mortem. I’ve almost entirely stopped using my DX7II-FD since getting all its patch libraries transferred to my computer to use with Native Instruments FM8, so it’s interesting to hear how your project went. Cheers! ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Bruce Wahler via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2022 9:52 AM To: Bruce Wahler <bw@...>; [email protected] Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] TX802 Factory Banks ? On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 03:01 PM, Bruce Wahler wrote:
Epilogue:
The end result sounds more like a DX7 than a TX802 to my ears, even when setting up 15-bit DAC output, but as I mentioned before, I kind of like the edginess.? To be fair, the OPS7 doesn't claim to be a TX802; it's closer to a DX1/DX5 in
capabilities, with the option of better DACs. |
Re: TX802 Factory Banks
Bruce Wahler
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 03:01 PM, Bruce Wahler wrote:
________Epilogue: I've finished my port from my TX802 to OPS7.? I did find a couple of wrinkles in the translation:
I've also used up to four instances live in Cakewalk by BandLab, with good stability.? So converting TX Performances to OPS duals was easier than I feared.? All in all, I'm happy with the VSTi. Regards, -BW |
Re: Spammers
开云体育You mighta missed out on a LOT of money, you know. Nigerian prince money. ? L. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Wahler via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 11:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [YamahaDX] Spammers ? Hi All, -- |
Spammers
Bruce Wahler
开云体育Hi All,I just got a spam/phishing email that says (paraphrasing), "Got your order.? Click here to complete the sale."? The 'sender' and 'topic' (both in quotes) was the Yamaha DX forum at groups.io. I'm not going to forward the email, but be aware.? (If the moderator would like more details, please contact me directly.)? They wasn't even smart enough to delete the forum thread from his email.? <smh> --
Regards, -BW Bruce Wahler Halfmoon-Switch.com? bw@... 978.597.7008 ? |
Re: TX802 Factory Banks
Bruce Wahler
开云体育Exactly.? An ADSR, even with the ability to tweak the decay shape to exponential, is not a clone of Yamaha's method by any stretch.? There are lots of DX patches that start with a modulator or two at fixed points other than zero; that's tricky to simulate in the ADSR world without giving up attack latency.________ For anyone who is interested, the TX802 banks loaded fine without any more fuss than mentioning "Multiple F0/F7 Found!"? I haven't extensively played around yet, but they sound pretty much the same.? I don't expect to spend too much time tweaking envelopes and levels. With a lot of spreadsheet time, I was able to condense my 64-patch User Performance Bank into something that fits the Bank A/B architecture, and doesn't use more than two instances of OPS7.? The hardest part was moving Voices around to balance them between the banks, something that seldom comes up in the TX802:
________ One thing I completely overlooked was OPS7's ability to set non-sine waveforms for the operators!? Time to play a little! ?
Regards,
-BW Bruce Wahler Halfmoon-Switch.com? bw@... 978.597.7008 ? On 3/24/2022 2:00 PM, LarryS wrote:
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Re: TX802 Factory Banks
The opsix envelopes are ADSR, so every second DX patch sounds weird on that basis alone. Jeremy? LarryS <vision1@...> schrieb am Do., 24. M?rz 2022, 19:01:
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Re: TX802 Factory Banks
开云体育This was probably wise. While OP6 was touted as DX7-in-a-Korg, and it works as a replacement (wink,wink), reports are it in no way reads DX7 patches. But I don’t know either way.? Going on rumor. The fact there’s a doubt bothers me.? I’m not in the mood for a development project. I have a TX816, 2X 802, 2X DX7, and a TX7 and 4 digits of patches for each.? No mood to do a lotta tweaking.? Not in this decade, anyway. ? L. ? ? ? ? ? I also looked at Korg's OPsix plugin, but there are enough subtle differences between the Korg and Yamaha-style engines that it would likely mean extra time tweaking patches to dial in the sounds.? That knocked them out of the running immediately. ? |
Re: TX802 Factory Banks
开云体育read all,- you want to install the :-) Am 23.03.2022 um 21:37 schrieb mark
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Re: TX802 Factory Banks
Bruce Wahler
开云体育On 3/23/2022 4:37 PM, mark audacity
romberg wrote:
Yes, and Yes.? It is also a bit complex on the UI-side -- although obviously not as bad as the original!? I like the fact that it shows everything; I don't love how it's organized.? YMMV. ________ I downloaded Dexed, and the demos of OPS7 and DX7 V.? I auditioned all three this afternoon.? At the end, I elected to keep OPS7, for three reasons:
Dexed
is $0USD, OPS7 is $50USD, and DX7 V is $150USD.? If it had been
a shootout between Dexed and DX7 V for first place, I would have
probably gone with Dexed.? But the price difference of OPS7 was
low enough that I felt it was worth getting the one I really
liked.
________ I also looked at Korg's OPsix plugin, but there are enough subtle differences between the Korg and Yamaha-style engines that it would likely mean extra time tweaking patches to dial in the sounds.? That knocked them out of the running immediately. Regards, -BW Bruce Wahler Halfmoon-Switch.com? bw@... 978.597.7008 ? |
Re: VSTi FM Synths )OPS Parameters (classic mode SYX) and REAPER
All ask again -- have you contacted the dev? He's super nice, unbelievably detail oriented and wants his product to be good. Maybe reduce the frequency of "should", "bugs", "misdesign" and "unusable" when you're trying to get him to help, though. As a software developer myself, you're setting off my alarm bells, and it's not even my problem.
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