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Re: FC-40, Control Cable Extension

Rick Stirling
 

That's VAT for you! ;-(

Rick AE7RS

On 12/8/2005 2:47:23 PM, Mike GU4EON (gu4eon@...) wrote:
Stange how "the same cable" costs 17.23 USD in EU!

Mike GU4EON
Re: FC-40, Control Cable Extension

Mike GU4EON
 

Stange how "the same cable" costs 17.23 USD in EU!

Mike GU4EON

-----Original Message-----
From: YaesuTuner@... [mailto:YaesuTuner@...]On
Behalf Of Rick Stirling
Sent: 08 December 2005 13:45
To: yaesutuner@...
Subject: RE: [YaesuTuner] FC-40, Control Cable Extension


Here's the U.S. order page. In stock and only $7.00 ;-)



73,
Rick AE7RS

On 12/8/2005 1:23:53 AM, Mike GU4EON (gu4eon@...) wrote:
> Try here guys
>
> a 5mtr extn
> cable





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Re: FC-40 and Dipole?

Kyle N4NSS
 

I used fiberglass sticks which were used when I was keeping some small farm animals.? These sticks are four feet long.? I nailed one to each of the 4 inch by 4 inch posts of the 6 foot wood fence which goes around the back yard.? I put a wire just above the wood fence and another about two feet above that one.? These wires are both tied together at the far end.? The total lenght is around 200 feet.? I think that because the wires are spaced it might make the diameter of the wire thicker which give wider bandwith, like a cage antenna.? This tunes 160 thru 6 meters.? So far I don't have any contacts on 160.? I use it on all the other bands with very good results.

gkstemple@... wrote:
n4nss@... writes:
?
>My loop or as I call it, my electric fence antenna works on all bands with no problem.
?
Great.? I'm considering trying one of these next spring on a visit to my folks, who have one around their garden.? The fence charger is not needed in daylight.
?
Could you provide more details -- length?, height above ground?, more-or-less level terrain?, etc.???
?
I wasn't thinking of the greater-than-a-full-wavelength on 160 meters L O? O? O N? N G G wire, but if it's up, insulated and not energized for other purposes at the time, why not?try it!!
?
73
Gary
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Re: FC-40, Control Cable Extension

Rick Stirling
 

Here's the U.S. order page. In stock and only $7.00 ;-)



73,
Rick AE7RS

On 12/8/2005 1:23:53 AM, Mike GU4EON (gu4eon@...) wrote:
Try here guys

a 5mtr extn
cable
Re: FC-40 and Dipole?

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n4nss@... writes:
?
>My loop or as I call it, my electric fence antenna works on all bands with no problem.
?
Great.? I'm considering trying one of these next spring on a visit to my folks, who have one around their garden.? The fence charger is not needed in daylight.
?
Could you provide more details -- length?, height above ground?, more-or-less level terrain?, etc.???
?
I wasn't thinking of the greater-than-a-full-wavelength on 160 meters L O? O? O N? N G G wire, but if it's up, insulated and not energized for other purposes at the time, why not?try it!!
?
73
Gary
KC9DJQ
?
Re: FC-40, Control Cable Extension

Mike GU4EON
 

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Try here guys
?
??? a 5mtr extn cable
?
Seasons Greeting
?
Mike GU4EON
?
Not sure on max length though.

-----Original Message-----
From: YaesuTuner@... [mailto:YaesuTuner@...]On Behalf Of Hanno, DG8JZ
Sent: 07 December 2005 18:57
To: YaesuTuner@...
Subject: AW: [YaesuTuner] FC-40, Control Cable Extension

Hi all,
I had the same problem a few month ago, looked around, found the old Mac
cables stateside for a very high price. So... Bought the connector (male and
female), 15 m cable and used my old sondering iron... And after 1 hour I had
my cable. It works perfect as extention and in total I do have 20m of remote
cabel betwen FT 897 (/ 857 and FC 40
Greetings from Munich
?


-----------------------------
Hanno Vogels, DK3HV
eMail: hanno@...
WIRES. #7124D Echolink: #4904
phone: +49 8102 729600
fax: +49 8102 729655





-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: YaesuTuner@... [mailto:YaesuTuner@...] Im
Auftrag von hb9fbn
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Dezember 2005 19:21
An: YaesuTuner@...
Betreff: [YaesuTuner] FC-40, Control Cable Extension

Hi All,
I refer to the FC-40 Control Cable which is just 5 meters long (abt.
16/17 feet).

It is an 8 poles shielded cable straight wired, ended with 2x mini-Din8
plugs. I wonder how long can it be extended without to cause
interferences/malfunctions to the FC-40 respectively to the FT857/897.

Yaesu/Vertex don't say a word about it.

I wonder if someone has done such an extension as well as where he found the
extension cable (maybe in Mac "old" serial cables, unfortunately hard to
find in EU), or perhaps just cutting the original cable and extending it by
means of shielded connectors and a random lenght of shielded 8 poles cable?

Many thanks in advance for any possible suggestion!
I apologize for "my" english :o)

Best 73 de Enrico - HB9FBN






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Re: FC-40 and Dipole?

Kyle N4NSS
 

My loop or as I call it, my electric fence antenna works on all bands with no problem.

gkstemple@... wrote:
In a message dated 12/6/2005 7:11:12 AM Central Standard Time, pewomail@... writes:
?
>I'm new to ham radio and plan to buy some equipment soon (Xmax's
>comming up ;-)
?
I have the FT-857D and the FC-40, no experience with the Buddipole.
?
>FC-40, I'm wondering if I can use it to fine-tune a dipole antenna.
?
The FC-40 will work with random wires, dipoles, loops and other configurations of wire antennas, BUT there is probably no single wire length that will allow operation on ALL bands.? There is no "free lunch" involved -- shorter antennas WILL be much less efficient radiators (and receivers) on the 80 and 160 meter bands, even with a perfect "match" by the FC-40.
?
As I understand the Buddipole, (from reading only) one is able to change coils to change bands, and match to different frequencies within the band by means of movable taps on the coil.? How far "out of (coil) band" one might be able to venture with the FC-40 is something you might want to email the Buddipole folks about.?
?
>I gather there is a difference between balanced and un-balanced
>antennas; let me see if I get this straight: since solid-state
>transceivers feature unbalanced final stages, it is desireable to
>insert a balun between the radio and the dipole, which is a balanced
>antenna (I guess this is to avoid currents on the outer side of the
>coax cable). The FC-40's output is geared towards wire antennas and is
>probably un-balanced, right!?
?
The Coax feed from the FT-857-D is unbananced into the FC-40.? The FC-40 is expecting to feed a balanced antenna -- one side hot, one to ground/counterpoise.? In the (in my experience) LIKELY event that you are experienceing RF on the coax, line isolaters (see radioworks.com or others -- no I don't work for them) will eliminate that problem.? Some snap-on ferrites can be used on the supplied 16-foot control cable between the CAT port of the FT-857D and the FC-40 to preculde RF pickup on the control line.
?
The FC-40, and the similar-function products by SGC,?are more properly termed "antenna couplers" and are located?at or very near?(fewer inches are better) the antenna feed point.
?
Some other products, more properly called "tuners" sit at/near the operating position and may not require a CAT connetion.? Additionally, some feed out with coax.
?
Yaesu sends one 16' control cable that must be connected between the CAT ports on the radio and the FC-40 (extensions of 16' length are about $35US from Yaesu).? OK for mobile installations, but for fixed use one will probably need more control cable length (remember to use ferrites to avoid RF pickup).? With the FC-40 plugged into the CAT port?of the FT-857D, there is no provision for using?a?computer to control the transciver.?
Hope this helps with your decision.
?
73.
Gary
?



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Re: FC-40, Control Cable Extension

Hanno, DG8JZ
 

Hi all,
I had the same problem a few month ago, looked around, found the old Mac
cables stateside for a very high price. So... Bought the connector (male and
female), 15 m cable and used my old sondering iron... And after 1 hour I had
my cable. It works perfect as extention and in total I do have 20m of remote
cabel betwen FT 897 (/ 857 and FC 40
Greetings from Munich



-----------------------------
Hanno Vogels, DK3HV
eMail: hanno@...
WIRES. #7124D Echolink: #4904
phone: +49 8102 729600
fax: +49 8102 729655





-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: YaesuTuner@... [mailto:YaesuTuner@...] Im
Auftrag von hb9fbn
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Dezember 2005 19:21
An: YaesuTuner@...
Betreff: [YaesuTuner] FC-40, Control Cable Extension

Hi All,
I refer to the FC-40 Control Cable which is just 5 meters long (abt.
16/17 feet).

It is an 8 poles shielded cable straight wired, ended with 2x mini-Din8
plugs. I wonder how long can it be extended without to cause
interferences/malfunctions to the FC-40 respectively to the FT857/897.

Yaesu/Vertex don't say a word about it.

I wonder if someone has done such an extension as well as where he found the
extension cable (maybe in Mac "old" serial cables, unfortunately hard to
find in EU), or perhaps just cutting the original cable and extending it by
means of shielded connectors and a random lenght of shielded 8 poles cable?

Many thanks in advance for any possible suggestion!
I apologize for "my" english :o)

Best 73 de Enrico - HB9FBN






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FC-40, Control Cable Extension

hb9fbn
 

Hi All,
I refer to the FC-40 Control Cable which is just 5 meters long (abt.
16/17 feet).

It is an 8 poles shielded cable straight wired, ended with 2x mini-Din8
plugs. I wonder how long can it be extended without to cause
interferences/malfunctions to the FC-40 respectively to the FT857/897.

Yaesu/Vertex don't say a word about it.

I wonder if someone has done such an extension as well as where he
found the extension cable (maybe in Mac "old" serial cables,
unfortunately hard to find in EU), or perhaps just cutting the original
cable and extending it by means of shielded connectors and a random
lenght of shielded 8 poles cable?

Many thanks in advance for any possible suggestion!
I apologize for "my" english :o)

Best 73 de Enrico - HB9FBN
Re: FC-40 and Dipole?

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In a message dated 12/6/2005 7:11:12 AM Central Standard Time, pewomail@... writes:
?
>I'm new to ham radio and plan to buy some equipment soon (Xmax's
>comming up ;-)
?
I have the FT-857D and the FC-40, no experience with the Buddipole.
?
>FC-40, I'm wondering if I can use it to fine-tune a dipole antenna.
?
The FC-40 will work with random wires, dipoles, loops and other configurations of wire antennas, BUT there is probably no single wire length that will allow operation on ALL bands.? There is no "free lunch" involved -- shorter antennas WILL be much less efficient radiators (and receivers) on the 80 and 160 meter bands, even with a perfect "match" by the FC-40.
?
As I understand the Buddipole, (from reading only) one is able to change coils to change bands, and match to different frequencies within the band by means of movable taps on the coil.? How far "out of (coil) band" one might be able to venture with the FC-40 is something you might want to email the Buddipole folks about.?
?
>I gather there is a difference between balanced and un-balanced
>antennas; let me see if I get this straight: since solid-state
>transceivers feature unbalanced final stages, it is desireable to
>insert a balun between the radio and the dipole, which is a balanced
>antenna (I guess this is to avoid currents on the outer side of the
>coax cable). The FC-40's output is geared towards wire antennas and is
>probably un-balanced, right!?
?
The Coax feed from the FT-857-D is unbananced into the FC-40.? The FC-40 is expecting to feed a balanced antenna -- one side hot, one to ground/counterpoise.? In the (in my experience) LIKELY event that you are experienceing RF on the coax, line isolaters (see radioworks.com or others -- no I don't work for them) will eliminate that problem.? Some snap-on ferrites can be used on the supplied 16-foot control cable between the CAT port of the FT-857D and the FC-40 to preculde RF pickup on the control line.
?
The FC-40, and the similar-function products by SGC,?are more properly termed "antenna couplers" and are located?at or very near?(fewer inches are better) the antenna feed point.
?
Some other products, more properly called "tuners" sit at/near the operating position and may not require a CAT connetion.? Additionally, some feed out with coax.
?
Yaesu sends one 16' control cable that must be connected between the CAT ports on the radio and the FC-40 (extensions of 16' length are about $35US from Yaesu).? OK for mobile installations, but for fixed use one will probably need more control cable length (remember to use ferrites to avoid RF pickup).? With the FC-40 plugged into the CAT port?of the FT-857D, there is no provision for using?a?computer to control the transciver.?
Hope this helps with your decision.
?
73.
Gary
?
FC-40 and Dipole?

pewomail
 

Hi everybody,
I'm new to ham radio and plan to buy some equipment soon (Xmax's
comming up ;-)
I was thinking FT-857D and Buddipole; since many package-deals shave
50% off of a FC-40, I'm wondering if I can use it to fine-tune a dipole
antenna.
I gather there is a difference between balanced and un-balanced
antennas; let me see if I get this straight: since solid-state
transceivers feature unbalanced final stages, it is desireable to
insert a balun between the radio and the dipole, which is a balanced
antenna (I guess this is to avoid currents on the outer side of the
coax cable). The FC-40's output is geared towards wire antennas and is
probably un-balanced, right!?
(1) Can you comment on the use of the FC-40 with a dipole antenna (and
the Buddipole in particular).
(2) How is the LDG Z11Pro tuner different from the FC-40.
Your help is appreciated!
Thanks,
Wolf
Re: experience in the field

kc9anq
 

On the 540 foot loop I made for field day I used 25 foot of ladder
line from the tuner to the wire for my loop,,,,was 25 foot enough?
GOT ME but it worked well and I used it on several bands that day. I
only used 25 foot because I mounted the FC-40 on the tree next to my
tent and 25 foot was all the higher I could get the loop,,,,well I
was lazy I could have got it higher but ,,,well we all know how hot
the summer was here in the midwest this year,,,,I took what I could
get =)


--- In YaesuTuner@..., "ab1ff" <ab1ff@y...> wrote:

yes, I just conected the loop to the two connectors. I asked Yaesu
about using the tuner on balanced and unbalanced lines and they
said
it should be fine. It worked well except for the QSB which I
believe
came from excessive SWR.

73,
Jon
AB1FF

--- In YaesuTuner@..., "gkstemple" <gkstemple@a...>
<snip/>
One other question: Jon, how did you terminate the loop? Just
connect
it to the ground terminal of the FC-40, or what? Yes, I'm a
newbbie
to the world of tuners and wire antennas. Thanks.


73
Gary
KC9DJQ
Re: Question re: FC-40 and portable antenna

kc9anq
 

Are you planning on using it as a loop? I made a loop for field day
back in June with the FC-40 and it was 540 foot long. I had a blast
with it, I "snuck" off the band I was working, 160 meter, and
listened and tuned several bands and had a blast. I attached ladder
line from the tuner to the wire for the loop also,,,,LET US KNOW HOW
IT WORKS!!!


--- In YaesuTuner@..., "Kyle N4NSS" <n4nss@y...> wrote:

Try it. I'm sure it will do wonders for you.



--- In YaesuTuner@..., "gkulin" <kulin@s...> wrote:

Good morning,

I am going off to visit my parents in Alberta next month and
thinking of bringing my FT-857 and FC-40 with me. I am planning
on
using one of the electric fences as an antenna. (The fence is
not
energized, since no cattle are using this field) The fence is
approximately 300 m (1000 ft+) approximately 60 cm (2 ft) off
the
ground and terminated to the ground at the far end. My question
is
if
this would be a viable antenna system? Is there anything I
should
look
out for?

73 de Greg
VE3DB
Re: Question re: FC-40 and portable antenna

Kyle N4NSS
 

Try it. I'm sure it will do wonders for you.



--- In YaesuTuner@..., "gkulin" <kulin@s...> wrote:

Good morning,

I am going off to visit my parents in Alberta next month and
thinking of bringing my FT-857 and FC-40 with me. I am planning on
using one of the electric fences as an antenna. (The fence is not
energized, since no cattle are using this field) The fence is
approximately 300 m (1000 ft+) approximately 60 cm (2 ft) off the
ground and terminated to the ground at the far end. My question is
if
this would be a viable antenna system? Is there anything I should
look
out for?

73 de Greg
VE3DB
Re: FC-40/FT-857D and 98 Wrangler

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    crashlk55 wrote:
    • Okay, I have followed the postings so far and have the radio and
    antenna and tuner installed in the TJ.
    I have grounded the exhaust system as advised. I placed two large
    ferrites on the fuel pump line. I put ferrites on the brake light
    power lines.
    Noise is still at S-7 to S-9. Pretty disgusting.

    My next direction is the injectors, I suppose.

    Any other ideas out there?

    Reply direct: crashlk55@...


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    crashlk55
     

    Okay, I have followed the postings so far and have the radio and
    antenna and tuner installed in the TJ.
    I have grounded the exhaust system as advised. I placed two large
    ferrites on the fuel pump line. I put ferrites on the brake light
    power lines.
    Noise is still at S-7 to S-9. Pretty disgusting.

    My next direction is the injectors, I suppose.

    Any other ideas out there?

    Reply direct: crashlk55@...


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    Re: FC-40 and Mixw CAT at the same time

    Kyle N4NSS
     

    I thought that the author of the site might be able to answer your question.? Check for an e-mail address to g4hfq.

    stabitibi wrote:
    I tried the link, but failed to see where it answered my questions...
    maybe I missed something.
    Basically I want to know if the CT-62 cable and the cable to the FC-40
    can work at the same time (as they go to the same jack, I believe).
    Thanks, Chris, VA3ECO

    --- In YaesuTuner@..., Kyle N4NSS wrote:
    >
    > Try this link:
    >
    > stabitibi wrote:? Hello all:
    > A friend is about to buy an FT-857d and FC-40, which I understand uses
    > the CAT port. He would also like to do psk31 using the CAT control
    > capabilities of Mixw. Is this possible? Some sort of Y adapter? Where
    > to purchase? Thanks,
    > -Chris VA3ECO
    >
    > PS: I posted this in the 857 group and was told you can make one, but
    > is there a source to buy one? And does the mixw and fc-40 data
    > interfere with each other (ie. once the radio is told the fc-40 is
    > connected and sees it there, can? the radio still accept PTT commands
    > from the mixw, and send freq data back to the mixw)?
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    Re: FC-40 and Mixw CAT at the same time

     

    I tried the link, but failed to see where it answered my questions...
    maybe I missed something.
    Basically I want to know if the CT-62 cable and the cable to the FC-40
    can work at the same time (as they go to the same jack, I believe).
    Thanks, Chris, VA3ECO

    --- In YaesuTuner@..., Kyle N4NSS <n4nss@y...> wrote:

    Try this link:

    stabitibi <stabitibi@y...> wrote: Hello all:
    A friend is about to buy an FT-857d and FC-40, which I understand uses
    the CAT port. He would also like to do psk31 using the CAT control
    capabilities of Mixw. Is this possible? Some sort of Y adapter? Where
    to purchase? Thanks,
    -Chris VA3ECO

    PS: I posted this in the 857 group and was told you can make one, but
    is there a source to buy one? And does the mixw and fc-40 data
    interfere with each other (ie. once the radio is told the fc-40 is
    connected and sees it there, can the radio still accept PTT commands
    from the mixw, and send freq data back to the mixw)?





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    Re: FC-40 and Mixw CAT at the same time

    Kyle N4NSS
     

    Try this link:

    stabitibi wrote:
    Hello all:
    A friend is about to buy an FT-857d and FC-40, which I understand uses
    the CAT port. He would also like to do psk31 using the CAT control
    capabilities of Mixw. Is this possible? Some sort of Y adapter? Where
    to purchase? Thanks,
    -Chris VA3ECO

    PS: I posted this in the 857 group and was told you can make one, but
    is there a source to buy one? And does the mixw and fc-40 data
    interfere with each other (ie. once the radio is told the fc-40 is
    connected and sees it there, can? the radio still accept PTT commands
    from the mixw, and send freq data back to the mixw)?
    FC-40 and Mixw CAT at the same time

     

    Hello all:
    A friend is about to buy an FT-857d and FC-40, which I understand uses
    the CAT port. He would also like to do psk31 using the CAT control
    capabilities of Mixw. Is this possible? Some sort of Y adapter? Where
    to purchase? Thanks,
    -Chris VA3ECO

    PS: I posted this in the 857 group and was told you can make one, but
    is there a source to buy one? And does the mixw and fc-40 data
    interfere with each other (ie. once the radio is told the fc-40 is
    connected and sees it there, can the radio still accept PTT commands
    from the mixw, and send freq data back to the mixw)?
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