Asterisk on a schematic usually indicate parts not used or that they are factory selected parts in a tuned circuit.?
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Download the Service manual, also look for some good circuit diagrams they are on these forum.
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On 4 Aug 2024, 08:44, at 08:44, Erik Rothuis <erothuis@...> wrote: I am looking for a parts list of the hf pa unit, because in the diagram
a number of parts are marked with *** and no value. Such as R5030,
R5031, R5013, C5143, and R5038.
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I am looking for a parts list of the hf pa unit, because in the diagram a number of parts are marked with *** and no value. Such as R5030, R5031, R5013, C5143, and R5038.
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Re: Serial cable question
Awesome thanks.
? I just wanted to give it a try to be honest. Shame the author has gone underground as I can’t find a single live link to the program and the authors site is well and truly 404.
Kind regards,
De Spence G5STO Sent while portable! please excuse typos.
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On 3 Aug 2024, at 17:52, David Steele via groups.io <david_steele@...> wrote:
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Hi , you can get a demo copy of RATS847 in the files section of this group. It works but has a "block" screen that pops up every 10 minutes or so for unregistered copies. I don't know of a way to register it anymore. WJ1I. Dave
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Hi , you can get a demo copy of RATS847 in the files section of this group. It works but has a "block" screen that pops up every 10 minutes or so for unregistered copies. I don't know of a way to register it anymore. WJ1I. Dave
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Re: Serial cable question
? ? Hi Ron, ? ? ? ? ? ? It’s normal for CTS, DCD and DSR to go green so no worries there. Firstly we should try a test though and that’s a simple loop back test. You need to locate pins 2 and 3 on your cable. Please don’t think I’m trying to belittle you but I just want to get back to basics.
Bridging RX and TX will create a loop and when you type into the console both TX and RX should light up together. This also means if you type A on the screen you get AA. Or B and you get BB as the computer is simply sending back what you typed. This will eliminate cable problems, null cable for straight etc. it’s important to note that FT847 to RS232 is Null and TX and RX are crossed over in the cable….. I realise you know this but I just want to be super sure.
? The above step is only needed if your 100% certain the cable it null and you will need to enable echo of the port.
?Now we can send a simple command from the PC to the radio to turn on CAT. Without this command you won’t get the radio to do anything. In Terra Term after setting the correct baud rate and stop bits and then clicking “change”.
?Now we head across to “display” and change the character set to hex.
? Next we head over to “send” and in the top box you’re going to type this exactly as it’s written here.
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 - in the top send box 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x80 - in the bottom send box
?Once this has been done press “send numbers”.
This top command enables CAT and CAT should now be illuminated in the radio window above shift knob.
? If it isn’t illuminated then we can start to assume there is either a hardware problem or”mux or MAX232”
? If it does illuminate then change the writing in the upper and lower box to:
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x4E - this enables satellite 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x8E - this disables satellite.
See the images below on exactly what it should look like.
Depending on your outcome? You can now either connect up your favourite program on the assumption it’s a program setting. You should also be able to rule out a bad cable or a straight cable masquerading as a null modem cable.
? Please let me know if this helps ?
My programs BTW are; PSTRotstor - paid but brilliant software for satellite control. There’s nothing close in my opinion. FLrig, FLDigi JT65HF Ham Radio Deluxe (version 5 before it became paid for). WSJT-X etc FTcat and FTbasic (contact me for links, was paid but author retired and made all his software free). Gpredict? SatPC32 Look4Sat (Android) Log4OM
Probably others but nothing I use regularly.
Hope this helps..
Aaahhh…. If anyone knows how to obtain a copy of RATS847 as I do t think is available and software Informer just wants you to sign up for a link to when it becomes available.
?Good luck as let’s go back to basics and work from there.
Kind regards,
De Spence G5STO ??
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On 3 Aug 2024, at 12:33, Ron Liekens via groups.io <r.e.liekens@...> wrote:
? Spence, with RealTerm 2.0.0.70 I see the CTS - DCD - and DSR go to green. When typing in the terminal window the TXD is flashing yellow. RXD is always blank.
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Mind you, I do not know this program and am only guessing what to do.
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David, seems that the pins are all ok.
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Spence, with RealTerm 2.0.0.70 I see the CTS - DCD - and DSR go to green. When typing in the terminal window the TXD is flashing yellow. RXD is always blank.
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No frequency is shown on the terminal.
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Mind you, I do not know this program and am only guessing what to do.
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David, seems that the pins are all ok.
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73' Ron
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Re: Serial cable question
+1 for this test.
If you have a volt meter, it might be instructive just to measure
what the radio is putting out on the serial out line.? It might
reveal a bad serial port driver on the radio, or a bad cable or
connectors.? Just sitting there, it should be something around -9
volts.? Measure between pins 3 & 5 on the radio, pin 5 being
ground, or pins 2 & 5 on the USB adapter end of the cable
(because of the null-modem swap).
Greg? KO6TH
Spence G5STO via groups.io wrote:
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Ok try this,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Ensure the radio is set to 9600 baud.
Open Terra Term (free download). Select the right port and
open the terminal. Select satellite mode on the radio. If
you’re sure you have everything set correctly then you should
at least see some garbage come up on the screen.? Set the
switch on Terra Term HEX and you should see the frequency of
the radio and sub VFO in the HEX.
? I will make a YouTube private video and post it here if
I’m making a hash of explaining things.
? Let me know if any of the simulated LED’s on the side are
blinking, eg: RX? TX?.
? De Spence G5STO
Sent while portable! please excuse typos.
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I tried several FTDI chip serial converters with or
without null-modem cables. The coms are 9600, 8,n,2 with
or without dtr-rts activated. Seems there is no reply
from the radio when connected. RATS847 software can send
commands to the radio, like frequency changes, but when
I turn the Dial of the radio the frequency is not
changed in the program.
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The serial number of the radio is: 9E180166.
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I have read the manual thoroughly, and I'm fairly
used to this kind of problems with other devices. For
me, it seems that the RS-232 is not working as it
should. What can be done here? I'm thinking of a
Bluetooth interface connected to a data port of the
radio. Maybe Signal link can offer a solution with their
USB interface?
?
The intention is to use the radio for Satellite coms.
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All suggestions are most welcome.
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73' Ron, on2ron
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Sorry correction RealTerm and NOT terra Term (I use both)
Sent while portable! please excuse typos.
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On 1 Aug 2024, at 15:07, Spence G5STO via groups.io <unavailable.equal@...> wrote:
? ? Ok try this, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Ensure the radio is set to 9600 baud.
Open Terra Term (free download). Select the right port and open the terminal. Select satellite mode on the radio. If you’re sure you have everything set correctly then you should at least see some garbage come up on the screen.? Set the switch on Terra Term HEX and you should see the frequency of the radio and sub VFO in the HEX.
? I will make a YouTube private video and post it here if I’m making a hash of explaining things.
? Let me know if any of the simulated LED’s on the side are blinking, eg: RX? TX?.
? De Spence G5STO
Sent while portable! please excuse typos. On 31 Jul 2024, at 17:01, Ron Liekens via groups.io <r.e.liekens@...> wrote:
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I tried several FTDI chip serial converters with or without null-modem cables. The coms are 9600, 8,n,2 with or without dtr-rts activated. Seems there is no reply from the radio when connected. RATS847 software can send commands to the radio, like frequency changes, but when I turn the Dial of the radio the frequency is not changed in the program.
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The serial number of the radio is: 9E180166.
?
I have read the manual thoroughly, and I'm fairly used to this kind of problems with other devices. For me, it seems that the RS-232 is not working as it should. What can be done here? I'm thinking of a Bluetooth interface connected to a data port of the radio. Maybe Signal link can offer a solution with their USB interface?
?
The intention is to use the radio for Satellite coms.
?
All suggestions are most welcome.
?
73' Ron, on2ron
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? Ok try this, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Ensure the radio is set to 9600 baud.
Open Terra Term (free download). Select the right port and open the terminal. Select satellite mode on the radio. If you’re sure you have everything set correctly then you should at least see some garbage come up on the screen.? Set the switch on Terra Term HEX and you should see the frequency of the radio and sub VFO in the HEX.
? I will make a YouTube private video and post it here if I’m making a hash of explaining things.
? Let me know if any of the simulated LED’s on the side are blinking, eg: RX? TX?.
? De Spence G5STO
Sent while portable! please excuse typos.
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On 31 Jul 2024, at 17:01, Ron Liekens via groups.io <r.e.liekens@...> wrote:
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I tried several FTDI chip serial converters with or without null-modem cables. The coms are 9600, 8,n,2 with or without dtr-rts activated. Seems there is no reply from the radio when connected. RATS847 software can send commands to the radio, like frequency changes, but when I turn the Dial of the radio the frequency is not changed in the program.
?
The serial number of the radio is: 9E180166.
?
I have read the manual thoroughly, and I'm fairly used to this kind of problems with other devices. For me, it seems that the RS-232 is not working as it should. What can be done here? I'm thinking of a Bluetooth interface connected to a data port of the radio. Maybe Signal link can offer a solution with their USB interface?
?
The intention is to use the radio for Satellite coms.
?
All suggestions are most welcome.
?
73' Ron, on2ron
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Re: Serial cable question
It is pointing toward a hard radio issue isn't it?? Before throwing in the towel, double (double) check the cable pin outs are correct and you have continuity ( The manual shows only 3 active pins so there is no flow control)? 3 pins are needed only for coms, pins 2-3 (TX-RX) should be reversed and pin 5 (SG) should be pin to pin). Double check for? pins pushed in , bent pins in the rig and rs232 adapter. Double check for debris inside the plug and sockets (little bits of cut coax shield for example) shorting one of the pins to ground. 73 WJ1I
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Re?: Re: [YaesuFT847] Serial cable question
Qui ignore mes message d aide, tant pos pour lui...???
Le jeudi, ao?t 1, 2024, 10:29 AM, Ron Liekens <r.e.liekens@...> a écrit?: David and Greg,
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I just got my radio second hand last week.
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The CAT problem showed on the first try. I tested HamRadioDeluxe, WSJT-X, FL-Digi (FL-Rig), RATS847 and some others. Omnirig does not give any reporting if things do not work right, but have checked with SDRconsole as a Tranceiver support, wich runs on Omnirig and its says that the FT-847 cannot be connected.
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As I see, the problem is always no feedback from the radio. WSJT-X gives an OK, but cannot show the frequency once it is connected as other radios do. It seems all is unidirectional even if an UNI.ini file is used, as Greg mentioned, that supports the FT-847 like in Omnirig and Hamlib.
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73' Ron
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Yvan
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David and Greg,
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I just got my radio second hand last week.
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The CAT problem showed on the first try. I tested HamRadioDeluxe, WSJT-X, FL-Digi (FL-Rig), RATS847 and some others. Omnirig does not give any reporting if things do not work right, but have checked with SDRconsole as a Tranceiver support, wich runs on Omnirig and its says that the FT-847 cannot be connected.
?
As I see, the problem is always no feedback from the radio. WSJT-X gives an OK, but cannot show the frequency once it is connected as other radios do. It seems all is unidirectional even if an UNI.ini file is used, as Greg mentioned, that supports the FT-847 like in Omnirig and Hamlib.
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73' Ron
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Good progress.?
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Sorry if you already answered this... is this a new problem (that was working before) or the first time CAT controlling the FT847?
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I have to confess I've never come across the RATS847 software, though I've seen it referenced in some quite old AMSAT and eham posts.? It's possible that you need to enable bi-directional control within the software, or if the software is "demo" that this doesn't function or? had limited time functionality (or that it simply doesn't support this).? Does the S meter in the software seem to display anything , is it matching the radio??
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EDIT: I just found RATS847 in the files section (should have looked earlier) and am running it in demo mode. It does not seem to work bidirectionally for me either via the rig tuning dial.? BUT try manually tuning the radio, them press the SYCN button in the software radios panel. That pols the radio and? updates the software to the radio.? If you check the? menu settings> tune to radio at startup, that? polls the radio and populates the frequency fields. I can report the S meter works in software for me.? So it that isn't working for you... it should!?
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Have you tried using other software (some more modern)? like the WSJTX software (that will tell you if? the CATS working correctly). Ham Radio Delux has a trial period you could try.?
Both these work flawlessly for me.? I think FT847 supercontrol.de does too (don't quote me on that one).?
73 WJ1I
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Good news that the radio is hearing the computer and acting
properly.? A lot has to be configured right for that to work.? Since
it appears that your radio has the newer CAT controller
(bi-directional communication), the reverse should work too, but
only if the PC's software is capable of polling the radio.? Are you
sure it can?? If there are options for flow control in the software
(especially hardware flow control), you might try turning them off.
Regardless, it might be a good time to give your chosen satellite
software a spin.? What app were you thinking of using?? With some
practice, you don't necessarily need the bi-directional capability.
Greg? KO6TH
Ron Liekens via groups.io wrote:
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I tried several FTDI chip serial converters with or without
null-modem cables. The coms are 9600, 8,n,2 with or without
dtr-rts activated. Seems there is no reply from the radio when
connected. RATS847 software can send commands to the radio, like
frequency changes, but when I turn the Dial of the radio the
frequency is not changed in the program.
?
The serial number of the radio is: 9E180166.
?
I have read the manual thoroughly, and I'm fairly used to
this kind of problems with other devices. For me, it seems that
the RS-232 is not working as it should. What can be done here?
I'm thinking of a Bluetooth interface connected to a data port
of the radio. Maybe Signal link can offer a solution with their
USB interface?
?
The intention is to use the radio for Satellite coms.
?
All suggestions are most welcome.
?
73' Ron, on2ron
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I tried several FTDI chip serial converters with or without null-modem cables. The coms are 9600, 8,n,2 with or without dtr-rts activated. Seems there is no reply from the radio when connected. RATS847 software can send commands to the radio, like frequency changes, but when I turn the Dial of the radio the frequency is not changed in the program.
?
The serial number of the radio is: 9E180166.
?
I have read the manual thoroughly, and I'm fairly used to this kind of problems with other devices. For me, it seems that the RS-232 is not working as it should. What can be done here? I'm thinking of a Bluetooth interface connected to a data port of the radio. Maybe Signal link can offer a solution with their USB interface?
?
The intention is to use the radio for Satellite coms.
?
All suggestions are most welcome.
?
73' Ron, on2ron
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Re: Serial cable question
Mine spends most of its time running? satpc32? for satellite ops and? I routinely use Ham Radio Deluxe from a Windows PC.? I run WSJTX from both a windows pc but more usually from a Raspberry Pi. I run a Pan adapter with SDRUno (SDRPlay)? and it's omni rig feature to control the FT847.? ?I have found mine to be 100% reliable at the fastest cat rate the radio supports? 57600 baud. I have a PCI serial card in my windows PC and a FDTI USB adapter on the Pi. ?Stick ferrites on all? the cables .? ?
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73 Dave WJ1I
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Apps?? Lots:
- WSJTX for FT-8, et al
- QSSTV or MMSSTV for SSTV
- fldigi for the rest of HF digital modes
- Direwolf for all the AX.25 packet apps - Linpac, pat winlink, YAAC
- rigctl
- Gpredict (realtime Doppler shift control via rigctl)
bunch of other stuff...? this is just from memory.
The first test is to fire up whatever software you want to use, and see the CAT icon light up on the rig's screen.? Then put a dummy load on the rig and try to key it up, set the power output.? A lot has to work right to pass that test.
Greg? KO6TH
Micky Corrow via groups.io wrote:
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Speaking of connections to the FT-847, what apps are everyone using?
We talk a lot about the connection to the rig, what would users use to test that connection?
I am sure others might like to know, or maybe use this thread as some sort of reference to interfacing with the radio...
Micky K1XH
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UCX Log since 10 years...
Vy 73 Yvan HB9CSM
Le mardi, 30 juillet 2024 à 02:29:27 UTC+2, Micky Corrow via groups.io <opus@...> a écrit :
Speaking of connections to the FT-847, what apps are everyone using??
We talk a lot about the connection to the rig, what would users use to test that connection?
I am sure others might like to know, or maybe use this thread as some sort of reference to interfacing with the radio...
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Micky K1XH
-- Yvan
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Re: Serial cable question
Speaking of connections to the FT-847, what apps are everyone using??
We talk a lot about the connection to the rig, what would users use to test that connection?
I am sure others might like to know, or maybe use this thread as some sort of reference to interfacing with the radio...
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Micky K1XH
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Andrew Lenton
Spence G5STO