On May 28, 2021, at 12:47, Will W6SWF <2sheds@...> wrote:

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I must politely disagree with Phil, KC6OEI about his desire to “determined to master this thing without resorting to a programming cable”.

This “thing” you are trying to master is a protocol established by one or a bunch of engineers in the way they chose. They had an objective (or design goal) in mind and it might have been “minimize key strokes” or “minimize hardware complexity” or whatever, and they chose a (programming) method to do that. In essence, you are trying to master their method. It’s likely easy if your head works like theirs but maybe not.

It seems to me that MY design goal would be to have the most basic setup functions (Freq, power, PL, squelch method, etc.) be so obvious that anyone could do it without a manual. Then I would add enhanced features with multiple button pushes using function keys or mental telepathy or whatever.

Not using a programming cable is your prerogative and might suit your philosophy and needs but I, for one, enjoy the convenience of that capability and recognize I am SOL for a quick change if and a PC are not available.

I actually applaud your tenacity and drive and wish I could master that approach.

As an aside, IMHO there needs to be a better philosophy of programming (taxonomy?) that achieves what we need and is so idiot-proofed that a mistake is impossible.

I think the FT60r approaches that, but not quite.

Will

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On May 29, 2021, at 08:16, Philip Milazzo <philip.milazzo@...> wrote:

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Jardy, you’re quite right. I don’t “need” to put memories into banks (and initially I didn’t), but it makes it convenient to scan only certain frequencies on one occasion (a charitable event using just a few frequencies, somewhat far from my home QTH) and a different list of my local machines most of the time. The manual makes the case for using banks in other ways. The feature is there for those who decide to use it.

I don’t “need” the alphanumeric labeling of memories but it will help me learn my local repeater “landscape,” something I haven’t done enough of yet.

The Set menu tailors many of the radio’s features to suit the user. They certainly can be changed often, but they probably don't “need” to be.

A fun thing about technology is the endless race between capabilities and imagination. The FT-60R is a good example, and it tests my ability to remember a large amount of stuff without going back to some form of instructions.

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 16:10 JARDY DAWSON via <JARDY72=[email protected]> wrote:

Remember, nobody says that you have to use ALL the bells and whistles. For example, I have no reason to use the Banks feature. As such, on the FT-60, all the basic features can easily be entered by the keyboard without going into the SET menu. The FT-60 is truly the easiest ht to manually program. Clint”s. Cheat sheet is a marvelous aid in using the basics.?

Jardy Dawson WA7JRD

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