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DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

Hello Forum
some time ago I had problems only with Cobalt ipdigitals connected to the old DR5000 some cobalts would lose or change their address for no reason.
I had many a chat with dcc concepts and they changed all my 54 cobalts with the orange terminals for the new yellow terminals free of charge.
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so they said it was to do with my DR5000 the DR5000 worked fine in itself but had this problem with cobalts?
I could connect the cobalts to any other dcc system and they worked fine
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so my question is I have upgraded my DR5000 with the YD9401 would that have changed anything to make a difference to the operation side for cobalts?
thank you
Alan
 

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Alan,

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Do you use Railcom on your layout? If not then switch it off in the YD7001. IP Digitals often don’t play well with Railcom

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Iain

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alan Watt via groups.io
Sent: 25 November 2024 17:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

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Hello Forum

some time ago I had problems only with Cobalt ipdigitals connected to the old DR5000 some cobalts would lose or change their address for no reason.

I had many a chat with dcc concepts and they changed all my 54 cobalts with the orange terminals for the new yellow terminals free of charge.

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so they said it was to do with my DR5000 the DR5000 worked fine in itself but had this problem with cobalts?

I could connect the cobalts to any other dcc system and they worked fine

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so my question is I have upgraded my DR5000 with the YD9401 would that have changed anything to make a difference to the operation side for cobalts?

thank you

Alan
 

no dont use railcom its always turned off?
its the first thing dcc concepts asked
 
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I had the same issue and they replaced 12 (out of 30) of mine. I use Railcom so turning it off was not an option. I added these about a year ago and the issue cleared up ! ?
 

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Bloomin ‘eck - ?10 for components that would cost 20p!!

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Reded via groups.io
Sent: 25 November 2024 22:26
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

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[Edited Message Follows]

I had the same issue and they replaced 12 (out of 30) of mine. I use Railcom so turning it off was not an option. I added these about a year ago and the issue cleared up ! ?
 

Yup...But you could say that about just about anything :-)?
 

I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue. ?Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all. ?Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.
some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs. ?So far so good!
 

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Adam, where did you buy the self assemble bus suppressor kits?

It maybe helpful for others if they need them?

Thanks John

XR

On 26 Nov 2024, at 08:10, Adam Eddy via groups.io <adamaeddy@...> wrote:

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I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue. ?Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all. ?Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.
some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs. ?So far so good!
 

But other things take more than 2mins effort to make for yourself.


Many Thanks

Iain Morrison


On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 at 00:26, Reded via <smartfxsoftware=[email protected]> wrote:
Yup...But you could say that about just about anything :-)?
 

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John,

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This is still expensive for what it actually is but more realistic given it includes postage charges

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Iain

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Critchley via groups.io
Sent: 26 November 2024 08:17
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

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Adam, where did you buy the self assemble bus suppressor kits?

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It maybe helpful for others if they need them?

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Thanks John

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XR



On 26 Nov 2024, at 08:10, Adam Eddy via groups.io <adamaeddy@...> wrote:

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I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue. ?Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all. ?Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.

some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs. ?So far so good!
 

I've tried them bus suppressors and they gave me false occupancies


On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:10?AM Adam Eddy via <adamaeddy=[email protected]> wrote:
I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue.? Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all.? Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.
some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs.? So far so good!
 

They would if you placed them in a bit of track that was going back through a detector - put them in the feed side of the power and they should be ok.

You can put them anywhere, doesn’t have to be across the track rails - TBH you could put them over the command station or booster outputs and they would have the same effect.


Many Thanks

Iain Morrison


On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 at 11:00, Alan Watt via <overdenestation=[email protected]> wrote:
I've tried them bus suppressors and they gave me false occupancies

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:10?AM Adam Eddy via <adamaeddy=[email protected]> wrote:
I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue.? Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all.? Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.
some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs.? So far so good!
 

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A friend of mine has had the problem of Cobolts loosing addresses on his railcom enabled layout. ?The layout is controlled by a dr5000 and many dr5088s for detection.

He had wired a completely separate accessory. ? We added a Tam valley booster??to power the accessory bus with his cured the problem, the booster does not pass railcom. ?Not the cheapest way, ?but I had the booster spare. ? It also takes load of off the track boosters. ??
I also run my accessory bus via one of these boosters, ?left over from my days using NCE power cab.

Jeff
 

I bought my kits from
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These seam reasonably priced to me.? I am not an electronics engineer but I can solder and follow instructions - you pay for the parts and the knowledge the enclosed bits do what you need.
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My droppers are fed from power bus terminal blocks as seen on Chadwell Youtube.? The 'negatives' run through a DR4088s.? The suppressors are connected across one of the terminal blocks.
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Initially I only installed them on the power buses and that didn't help the problem.? I then realised this was a bit silly and installed one across the DCC accessory bus as this feeds the? ?Digital IPs.
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All seems good, not had to reprogramme all those blasted point motors since.? No false positives on the? DR4088s, now happily running my YD9401.
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Adam
 

ok bought some of them resistor packs?
I have two boosters for the track power only and the point motors all run from the dr5000/9401
put the resistor pack on the dr5000 and when I change? a point(cobalt) most of my tracks shows occupancy while the point moves
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any one explain this please
 

By resistor packs do you mean DCC Filters (snubbers)??

Are you using the frog output on the Cobalts? If you are then you will be powering the frogs from the accessories bus I.e. the YD9401. When using separate boosters for the track then you need to use the separate SPDT switch that is on the Cobalts and take the feeds from the track power feeding the turnouts.


Many Thanks


Iain Morrison


On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 at 11:18, Alan Watt via <overdenestation=[email protected]> wrote:
ok bought some of them resistor packs?
I have two boosters for the track power only and the point motors all run from the dr5000/9401
put the resistor pack on the dr5000 and when I change? a point(cobalt) most of my tracks shows occupancy while the point moves
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any one explain this please
 

yes the snubbers
the cobalts are powered?by dr5000 the cobalt frogs are wired frog to the common and the track feed for the frogs are left and right on the cobalts I am not using the frog connection on the cobalts

On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 11:33?AM Iain Morrison via <w.iain.morrison=[email protected]> wrote:
By resistor packs do you mean DCC Filters (snubbers)??

Are you using the frog output on the Cobalts? If you are then you will be powering the frogs from the accessories bus I.e. the YD9401. When using separate boosters for the track then you need to use the separate SPDT switch that is on the Cobalts and take the feeds from the track power feeding the turnouts.


Many Thanks


Iain Morrison


On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 at 11:18, Alan Watt via <overdenestation=[email protected]> wrote:
ok bought some of them resistor packs?
I have two boosters for the track power only and the point motors all run from the dr5000/9401
put the resistor pack on the dr5000 and when I change? a point(cobalt) most of my tracks shows occupancy while the point moves
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any one explain this please
 

well well well
looks like i have the same problem with the adsx2 loosing addresses
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if I use a sprogg3 the problem disapears

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