Re: Lodi-con with YD7001 via Z21 protocol - bug?
Thanks Karst
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I do have your email from a previous correspondence. Would you mind if I replied to them adding you to the cc?
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Cheers Eddie
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
A friend of mine has had the problem of Cobolts loosing addresses on his railcom enabled layout. ?The layout is controlled by a dr5000 and many dr5088s for detection.
He had wired a completely separate accessory. ? We added a Tam valley booster??to power the accessory bus with his cured the problem, the booster does not pass railcom. ?Not the cheapest way, ?but I had the booster spare. ? It also takes load of off the track boosters. ?? I also run my accessory bus via one of these boosters, ?left over from my days using NCE power cab.
Jeff
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Re: Lodi-con with YD7001 via Z21 protocol - bug?
On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 01:15 AM, Iain Morrison wrote:
This sounds like a blame game by Lodi to cover up their inadequacy within the controller.
That is my impression :) I would any employee of mine, that would say this to me, fire instantaenously? :O :O And.. I think it's a very "cocky" reaction.? But for the "problem": If LoDi(-con) does not understand what a commandstation is sending, doesn't seem to me a CS problem...? As far as I know ALL (!!) other Z21 App and Applications DO understand this garbage. Anyhow, I would be very willing to take a look. Provided a) LoDo sends me a free LoDi-Con, b) tells me what their problem is. Further: Whjat they advertise is:
- LoDi-Rektor
- LoDi-Shift-Commander
- LoDi-S88-Commander
- z21 und alle Zentralen die das Z21-Protokoll unterstützen
- M?rklin CS2/3
- XpressNet
- ESU ECoS?
- WiThrottle
- Loconet (in Vorbereitung)
of which:
- z21 und alle Zentralen die das Z21-Protokoll unterstützen
- XpressNet
- WiThrottle
- Loconet (in Vorbereitung)
can be used with the YD7001 ;) So I am curious whether these protocols also send "garbage" ... ;) :P
Greets, Karst
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
They would if you placed them in a bit of track that was going back through a detector - put them in the feed side of the power and they should be ok.
You can put them anywhere, doesn’t have to be across the track rails - TBH you could put them over the command station or booster outputs and they would have the same effect.
I've tried them bus suppressors and they gave me false occupancies
I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue.? Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all.? Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.
some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs.? So far so good!
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
I've tried them bus suppressors and they gave me false occupancies
I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue.? Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all.? Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.
some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs.? So far so good!
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
John, ? This is still expensive for what it actually is but more realistic given it includes postage charges ?
? Iain ?
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From: YaMoRC-Digikeijs@groups.io <YaMoRC-Digikeijs@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Critchley via groups.io
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Subject: Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems? Adam, where did you buy the self assemble bus suppressor kits? It maybe helpful for others if they need them? ?
On 26 Nov 2024, at 08:10, Adam Eddy via groups.io <adamaeddy@...> wrote:
? I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue. ?Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all. ?Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about. some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs. ?So far so good!
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Re: Lodi-con with YD7001 via Z21 protocol - bug?
I find this response for Lodi rather surprising given that the Z21 protocol is an openly published document and has been used by many other companies to develop items and not of them seem to have an issue with bidirectional traffic between a Z21 and their product.
As an example I use iTrain which interfaces to the Z21 without issue and that is very bidirectional.
This sounds like a blame game by Lodi to cover up their inadequacy within the controller.
I have the very nice Lodi-Con Controller ()....that was advertised to work with any Z21 protocol station. The unit has huge potential but there seems to be one issue, and the company that makes it blames Roco and a bug in the Z21 protocol. To get it to even function you have to set it to ignore data coming from the command station and only send data. This means some of its features don't work (like acceleration and deacceleration) which is a shame. I wonder if Karst knows anything about this? Is this something you can fix for the YD7001?
Heres the message from the manufacture:
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yes, I'm aware of the YD7001. However, it also just uses the official Z21 protocol, so it doesn't matter whether it's a Z21, YD7001, MD, or any other control unit with the Z21 protocol. For example, our LoDi-Rektor can also use Z21, and it doesn’t work there either because the speed steps get mixed up in the protocol, and the response from the control unit differs from what the handheld controller has set.
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Yes, that's exactly how it's intended to work in LoDi-Con, and it also works with Ecos, LoDi, CS from M?rklin, and Lenz. However, as mentioned above, the problem with the Z21 arises here. The control unit sends back only garbage to the handheld controller, hence the inconsistency.
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Thanks Eddie
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
But other things take more than 2mins effort to make for yourself.
Yup...But you could say that about just about anything :-)?
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
Adam, where did you buy the self assemble bus suppressor kits?
It maybe helpful for others if they need them?
Thanks John XR
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On 26 Nov 2024, at 08:10, Adam Eddy via groups.io <adamaeddy@...> wrote:
? I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue. ?Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all. ?Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.
some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs. ?So far so good!
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
I have 20 cobalt IPs and have had the same issue. ?Didn’t think DCC concepts would be prepared to replace them all. ?Whenever I spoke to them about the dr5000 it felt like it was some suspicious “other” digital controller they knew little about.
some time later I read on this very forum that bus suppressors were the answer so I bought a few self assemble kits for a few pounds and put them on my power busses and my dcc accessory bus feeding the digital IPs. ?So far so good!
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Lodi-con with YD7001 via Z21 protocol - bug?
I have the very nice Lodi-Con Controller ()....that was advertised to work with any Z21 protocol station. The unit has huge potential but there seems to be one issue, and the company that makes it blames Roco and a bug in the Z21 protocol. To get it to even function you have to set it to ignore data coming from the command station and only send data. This means some of its features don't work (like acceleration and deacceleration) which is a shame. I wonder if Karst knows anything about this? Is this something you can fix for the YD7001?
Heres the message from the manufacture:
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yes, I'm aware of the YD7001. However, it also just uses the official Z21 protocol, so it doesn't matter whether it's a Z21, YD7001, MD, or any other control unit with the Z21 protocol. For example, our LoDi-Rektor can also use Z21, and it doesn’t work there either because the speed steps get mixed up in the protocol, and the response from the control unit differs from what the handheld controller has set.
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Yes, that's exactly how it's intended to work in LoDi-Con, and it also works with Ecos, LoDi, CS from M?rklin, and Lenz. However, as mentioned above, the problem with the Z21 arises here. The control unit sends back only garbage to the handheld controller, hence the inconsistency.
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Thanks Eddie
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
Yup...But you could say that about just about anything :-)?
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
Bloomin ‘eck - ?10 for components that would cost 20p!! ?
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From: YaMoRC-Digikeijs@groups.io <YaMoRC-Digikeijs@groups.io> On Behalf Of Reded via groups.io
Sent: 25 November 2024 22:26
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Subject: Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems? [Edited Message Follows] I had the same issue and they replaced 12 (out of 30) of mine. I use Railcom so turning it off was not an option. I added these about a year ago and the issue cleared up ! ?
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
I had the same issue and they replaced 12 (out of 30) of mine. I use Railcom so turning it off was not an option. I added these about a year ago and the issue cleared up ! ?
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
no dont use railcom its always turned off?
its the first thing dcc concepts asked
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Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems
Alan, ? Do you use Railcom on your layout? If not then switch it off in the YD7001. IP Digitals often don’t play well with Railcom ? Iain ?
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Sent: 25 November 2024 17:21
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Subject: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems? some time ago I had problems only with Cobalt ipdigitals connected to the old DR5000 some cobalts would lose or change their address for no reason. I had many a chat with dcc concepts and they changed all my 54 cobalts with the orange terminals for the new yellow terminals free of charge. so they said it was to do with my DR5000 the DR5000 worked fine in itself but had this problem with cobalts? I could connect the cobalts to any other dcc system and they worked fine so my question is I have upgraded my DR5000 with the YD9401 would that have changed anything to make a difference to the operation side for cobalts?
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Hello Forum
some time ago I had problems only with Cobalt ipdigitals connected to the old DR5000 some cobalts would lose or change their address for no reason.
I had many a chat with dcc concepts and they changed all my 54 cobalts with the orange terminals for the new yellow terminals free of charge.
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so they said it was to do with my DR5000 the DR5000 worked fine in itself but had this problem with cobalts?
I could connect the cobalts to any other dcc system and they worked fine
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so my question is I have upgraded my DR5000 with the YD9401 would that have changed anything to make a difference to the operation side for cobalts?
thank you
Alan
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Re: Kato Turnouts and YD8008s
On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 11:26 AM, @Kysouthern wrote:
Has anyone tried this setup and if so, do the new Solenoid decoders stop the humming?
Hundreds of YD8008 are used in this way, never had complaints about "Humming"?
Best thing to do however would be to use a SMPS of about 15-18VDC.
Greets,
Karst
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Re: Kato Turnouts and YD8008s
It sounds like the 50018 was not set up correctly and you were using it as an On/Off switch rather than setting the correct option for solenoid motors which would explain why the motors were buzzing all the time. ? Iain Morrison ?
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Subject: Re: Kato Turnouts and YD8008s? Since we moved, we no longer have the layout that used Digikeijs. ?I do not remember setting CV47. ?We used the Digikeijs app to set up the switch decoders. At this time, we are just trying to decide what DCC system to use to run our new layout.
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Re: Kato Turnouts and YD8008s
Hi Dennis,
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Since we moved, we no longer have the layout that used Digikeijs. ?I do not remember setting CV47. ?We used the Digikeijs app to set up the switch decoders.
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At this time, we are just trying to decide what DCC system to use to run our new layout.
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Thanks.
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Alan Watt
John Critchley