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Just learned that one of my cousins is?I-Z58+. This is from the 23andMe database. I, unfortunately, tested years ago, long before this subclade was discovered. Anyone know of any resources for this group?
Aaron
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Hi Aaron, ? ?There was a flurry of interest in Z58+ back when Ken Nordedt was involved.? Family Tree has a project but I don't know how active it is (). ?(The project name is "I1>Z63+ and I1>Z59+" but it appears to actually mean Z58+.) ?? By the way, I'm in Harris Group 4 and I tested positive for Z63 but negative for Z58.? Downstream SNP results:
M21-, ?M227-, ??M253+, P109-, P259-, P30+, L22-,
L338-, Z63+, Z131-, Z58-, L840+, DF29+, L1243-, L1237+,
CTS7416-, L1439+
Best, Keith
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:44 PM Aaron Hill < hillaj@...> wrote: Just learned that one of my cousins is?I-Z58+. This is from the 23andMe database. I, unfortunately, tested years ago, long before this subclade was discovered. Anyone know of any resources for this group?
Aaron
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A close match in the Family Tree DNA database is?I-A5734+.
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Hi Keith, Aaron,
My father’s FTDNA results are Z63 [but not Z58], with the terminal at I-BY40648.
His results are unusual, lacking in non-surname matches (a known cousin is 35/37 match). There are zero matches to his terminal SNP.
I don’t have a good understanding of the haplogroup trees, but I had hoped through to identify a geographic region of origin for my male line. After looking at the results, it’s my understanding that the identification of regions associated with a haplogroup are based on the information provided by people who have tested. If that’s true, I would expect to find errors (due to incorrect family documentation) and large gaps (due to lack of participants) in the knowledge base. France, for instance is seriously under-represented in genetic test results.
Can anyone suggest the implications of zero matches at the terminal SNP?
I would also appreciate an insight in understanding how people from the UK would be downstream of a Native American. It flows like this, downstream of I-Z63:? I-Y6375
Amerindian ancestry >?I-Y13945?UK ancestry >?I-BY40648 (my father)
Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions!
Best, Eileen
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Hi Aaron, ? ?There was a flurry of interest in Z58+ back when Ken Nordedt was involved.? Family Tree has a project but I don't know how active it is (). ?(The project name is "I1>Z63+ and I1>Z59+" but it appears to actually mean Z58+.) ?? By the way, I'm in Harris Group 4 and I tested positive for Z63 but negative for Z58.? Downstream SNP results:
M21-, ?M227-, ??M253+, P109-, P259-, P30+, L22-,
L338-, Z63+, Z131-, Z58-, L840+, DF29+, L1243-, L1237+,
CTS7416-, L1439+
Best, Keith
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:44 PM Aaron Hill < hillaj@...> wrote: Just learned that one of my cousins is?I-Z58+. This is from the 23andMe database. I, unfortunately, tested years ago, long before this subclade was discovered. Anyone know of any resources for this group?
Aaron
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A rather simple explanation for the I-Y6375 amerindian part is that one person hasn’t the heritage he thinks, Somewhere in his line is an European ancestor. That is always the case when using user submitted information. The best with this is that the user now see that this is probably not right ?
Mats
? ? Hi Keith, Aaron, My father’s FTDNA results are Z63 [but not Z58], with the terminal at I-BY40648. His results are unusual, lacking in non-surname matches (a known cousin is 35/37 match). There are zero matches to his terminal SNP. I don’t have a good understanding of the haplogroup trees, but I had hoped through to identify a geographic region of origin for my male line. After looking at the results, it’s my understanding that the identification of regions associated with a haplogroup are based on the information provided by people who have tested. If that’s true, I would expect to find errors (due to incorrect family documentation) and large gaps (due to lack of participants) in the knowledge base. France, for instance is seriously under-represented in genetic test results. Can anyone suggest the implications of zero matches at the terminal SNP? I would also appreciate an insight in understanding how people from the UK would be downstream of a Native American. It flows like this, downstream of I-Z63:? ????????????????????? I-Y6375 Amerindian ancestry >?I-Y13945?UK ancestry >?I-BY40648 (my father) Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions!
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? Hi Aaron, ? ?There was a flurry of interest in Z58+ back when Ken Nordedt was involved.? Family Tree has a project but I don't know how active it is (). ?(The project name is "I1>Z63+ and I1>Z59+" but it appears to actually mean Z58+.) ?? By the way, I'm in Harris Group 4 and I tested positive for Z63 but negative for Z58.? Downstream SNP results: M21-, ?M227-, ??M253+, P109-, P259-, P30+, L22-, L338-, Z63+, Z131-, Z58-, L840+, DF29+, L1243-, L1237+, CTS7416-, L1439+ ? On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:44 PM Aaron Hill <hillaj@...> wrote: Just learned that one of my cousins is?I-Z58+. This is from the 23andMe database. I, unfortunately, tested years ago, long before this subclade was discovered. Anyone know of any resources for this group?
Aaron
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Try this website for determining when and where your ancestors were Make sure you look at the SNP tab too. ?If you take the BigY700 test, you’ll be able to get further SNPs down the trail.
Best,
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A rather simple explanation for the I-Y6375 amerindian part is that one person hasn’t the heritage he thinks, Somewhere in his line is an European ancestor. That is always the case when using user submitted information. The best with this is that the user now see that this is probably not right??
Mats
? ? Hi Keith, Aaron, My father’s FTDNA results are Z63 [but not Z58], with the terminal at I-BY40648. His results are unusual, lacking in non-surname matches (a known cousin is 35/37 match). There are zero matches to his terminal SNP. I don’t have a good understanding of the haplogroup trees, but I had hoped through to identify a geographic region of origin for my male line. After looking at the results, it’s my understanding that the identification of regions associated with a haplogroup are based on the information provided by people who have tested. If that’s true, I would expect to find errors (due to incorrect family documentation) and large gaps (due to lack of participants) in the knowledge base. France, for instance is seriously under-represented in genetic test results. Can anyone suggest the implications of zero matches at the terminal SNP? I would also appreciate an insight in understanding how people from the UK would be downstream of a Native American. It flows like this, downstream of I-Z63:? ??????????????????????I-Y6375 Amerindian ancestry >?I-Y13945?UK ancestry >?I-BY40648 (my father) Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions! ? ? Hi Aaron, ? ?There was a flurry of interest?in?Z58+ back when Ken Nordedt was involved.? Family Tree has a project but I don't know how active it is (). ?(The project name is?"I1>Z63+ and?I1>Z59+" but it appears to actually mean Z58+.) ?? By the way, I'm in Harris Group 4 and I tested positive for Z63 but negative for Z58.? Downstream SNP results: M21-, ?M227-, ??M253+, P109-, P259-,?P30+, L22-, L338-,?Z63+, Z131-, Z58-,?L840+,?DF29+, L1243-,?L1237+, CTS7416-,?L1439+ ? On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:44 PM Aaron Hill < hillaj@...> wrote: Just learned that one of my cousins is?I-Z58+. This is from the 23andMe database. I, unfortunately, tested years ago, long before this subclade was discovered. Anyone know of any resources for this group?
Aaron?
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There is no reason for me to take the BigY700 test. Another Hill cousin has already tested Z58+. Other cousins have tested DF29+.
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Chris,?
Wow, that is a slick website. ?Thanks for posting the link. I had never seen it before. Jim Robeson,?
I1a-M253 > DF29 > CTS6364 > S4795 > S4767 > S4770 > Y13495/Y13016 > Y29634/S4774?> A13294
Mito-H1e1a
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On Feb 20, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Amaden Home <chris@...> wrote:
? Try this website for determining when and where your ancestors were Make sure you look at the SNP tab too. ?If you take the BigY700 test, you’ll be able to get further SNPs down the trail.
Best, Chris A rather simple explanation for the I-Y6375 amerindian part is that one person hasn’t the heritage he thinks, Somewhere in his line is an European ancestor. That is always the case when using user submitted information. The best with this is that the user now see that this is probably not right??
Mats
? ? Hi Keith, Aaron, My father’s FTDNA results are Z63 [but not Z58], with the terminal at I-BY40648. His results are unusual, lacking in non-surname matches (a known cousin is 35/37 match). There are zero matches to his terminal SNP. I don’t have a good understanding of the haplogroup trees, but I had hoped through to identify a geographic region of origin for my male line. After looking at the results, it’s my understanding that the identification of regions associated with a haplogroup are based on the information provided by people who have tested. If that’s true, I would expect to find errors (due to incorrect family documentation) and large gaps (due to lack of participants) in the knowledge base. France, for instance is seriously under-represented in genetic test results. Can anyone suggest the implications of zero matches at the terminal SNP? I would also appreciate an insight in understanding how people from the UK would be downstream of a Native American. It flows like this, downstream of I-Z63:? ??????????????????????I-Y6375 Amerindian ancestry >?I-Y13945?UK ancestry >?I-BY40648 (my father) Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions! ? ? Hi Aaron, ? ?There was a flurry of interest?in?Z58+ back when Ken Nordedt was involved.? Family Tree has a project but I don't know how active it is (). ?(The project name is?"I1>Z63+ and?I1>Z59+" but it appears to actually mean Z58+.) ?? By the way, I'm in Harris Group 4 and I tested positive for Z63 but negative for Z58.? Downstream SNP results: M21-, ?M227-, ??M253+, P109-, P259-,?P30+, L22-, L338-,?Z63+, Z131-, Z58-,?L840+,?DF29+, L1243-,?L1237+, CTS7416-,?L1439+ ? On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:44 PM Aaron Hill < hillaj@...> wrote: Just learned that one of my cousins is?I-Z58+. This is from the 23andMe database. I, unfortunately, tested years ago, long before this subclade was discovered. Anyone know of any resources for this group?
Aaron?
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Thank, Jim Aaron - here’s another website that may predict what your terminal SNP will be based on STR results. ?Let us know if that moves you down the tree any.
Best,
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Chris,?
Wow, that is a slick website. ?Thanks for posting the link. I had never seen it before. Jim Robeson,?
I1a-M253 > DF29 > CTS6364 > S4795 > S4767 > S4770 > Y13495/Y13016 > Y29634/S4774?> A13294
Mito-H1e1a On Feb 20, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Amaden Home <chris@...> wrote:
? Try this website for determining when and where your ancestors were Make sure you look at the SNP tab too. ?If you take the BigY700 test, you’ll be able to get further SNPs down the trail.
Best, Chris A rather simple explanation for the I-Y6375 amerindian part is that one person hasn’t the heritage he thinks, Somewhere in his line is an European ancestor. That is always the case when using user submitted information. The best with this is that the user now see that this is probably not right??
Mats
? ? Hi Keith, Aaron, My father’s FTDNA results are Z63 [but not Z58], with the terminal at I-BY40648. His results are unusual, lacking in non-surname matches (a known cousin is 35/37 match). There are zero matches to his terminal SNP. I don’t have a good understanding of the haplogroup trees, but I had hoped through to identify a geographic region of origin for my male line. After looking at the results, it’s my understanding that the identification of regions associated with a haplogroup are based on the information provided by people who have tested. If that’s true, I would expect to find errors (due to incorrect family documentation) and large gaps (due to lack of participants) in the knowledge base. France, for instance is seriously under-represented in genetic test results. Can anyone suggest the implications of zero matches at the terminal SNP? I would also appreciate an insight in understanding how people from the UK would be downstream of a Native American. It flows like this, downstream of I-Z63:? ??????????????????????I-Y6375 Amerindian ancestry >?I-Y13945?UK ancestry >?I-BY40648 (my father) Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions! ? ? Hi Aaron, ? ?There was a flurry of interest?in?Z58+ back when Ken Nordedt was involved.? Family Tree has a project but I don't know how active it is (). ?(The project name is?"I1>Z63+ and?I1>Z59+" but it appears to actually mean Z58+.) ?? By the way, I'm in Harris Group 4 and I tested positive for Z63 but negative for Z58.? Downstream SNP results: M21-, ?M227-, ??M253+, P109-, P259-,?P30+, L22-, L338-,?Z63+, Z131-, Z58-,?L840+,?DF29+, L1243-,?L1237+, CTS7416-,?L1439+ ? On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:44 PM Aaron Hill < hillaj@...> wrote: Just learned that one of my cousins is?I-Z58+. This is from the 23andMe database. I, unfortunately, tested years ago, long before this subclade was discovered. Anyone know of any resources for this group?
Aaron?
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This site only gives a generic I1 based on my STR results. I am going to try??instead.
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I am not sure how accurate and relevant these designations are anymore, but here are my results:
Haplo-I Subclades and probabilities are as follows:
I-M253-T13 =>29%? I-M253-AS1H =>22%? I-M253-AS9a =>13%? I-M253-ND =>11%? I-M253-ASgen =>10%? I-M253-AS1 =>4%? I-L22-N =>4%? I-L22-Bothnia =>3%? I-M253-AS6 =>2%??
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Keith Harris