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Xrf old faucet


taray singh
 

Hi guys

I have done this before in the old forum

This time with better results?

My faucet spout has a??silvery shiny surface with some mottling.Blocked by water deposits due water stagnation.

But I have a confession to make

The faucet was??mounted on white rounded plaster holder at the base

Not in the path of the primary beam

The results show various elements?

Ni,Cu,Zn??,Pb and perhaps Fe

Ni is the??shiny outer coating?

Zinc is the faucet spout

Cu is coming from brass??within (Cu and Zn)

Pb from solder?

Fe if present from plates/escutcheon ?

Zn causing corrosion and??heavy deposits

This cheap Chinese Zn faucet is a bad choice?

Deposits are contributing too

That will be another topic
Taray

?


taray singh
 

.. ?plastic holder mount.
It was just perfect to align ?odd shaped samples
It has been my usual practice until I discovered the hidden secrets of plastics?
Taray


 

Thanks for the interesting report. Also on the old forum a member took scraping from white deposits left in the burner of his cooking stove,

In the outside environment I take samples from cracks and crevices of rain drain grates, very good at collecting and concentrating heavy particles, too small to see.

Geo




From: "taray singh via groups.io" <sukhjez@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:17:48 AM
Subject: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Hi guys

I have done this before in the old forum

This time with better results?

My faucet spout has a??silvery shiny surface with some mottling.Blocked by water deposits due water stagnation.

But I have a confession to make

The faucet was??mounted on white rounded plaster holder at the base

Not in the path of the primary beam

The results show various elements?

Ni,Cu,Zn??,Pb and perhaps Fe

Ni is the??shiny outer coating?

Zinc is the faucet spout

Cu is coming from brass??within (Cu and Zn)

Pb from solder?

Fe if present from plates/escutcheon ?

Zn causing corrosion and??heavy deposits

This cheap Chinese Zn faucet is a bad choice?

Deposits are contributing too

That will be another topic
Taray

?



taray singh
 

Another thing?
The plastic mount is a tape?reel with a?hole in the center
Perfect of samples to be placed on top
The pic of the tap is without the reel
It is just an object to help me take a pic shot
In case anyone is wondering..
Taray




On Friday, November 13, 2020, 12:25 AM, GEOelectronics@... wrote:

Thanks for the interesting report. Also on the old forum a member took scraping from white deposits left in the burner of his cooking stove,

In the outside environment I take samples from cracks and crevices of rain drain grates, very good at collecting and concentrating heavy particles, too small to see.

Geo




From: "taray singh via groups.io" <sukhjez@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:17:48 AM
Subject: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Hi guys

I have done this before in the old forum

This time with better results?

My faucet spout has a??silvery shiny surface with some mottling.Blocked by water deposits due water stagnation.

But I have a confession to make

The faucet was??mounted on white rounded plaster holder at the base

Not in the path of the primary beam

The results show various elements?

Ni,Cu,Zn??,Pb and perhaps Fe

Ni is the??shiny outer coating?

Zinc is the faucet spout

Cu is coming from brass??within (Cu and Zn)

Pb from solder?

Fe if present from plates/escutcheon ?

Zn causing corrosion and??heavy deposits

This cheap Chinese Zn faucet is a bad choice?

Deposits are contributing too

That will be another topic
Taray

?



 

" Another thing?
The plastic mount is a tape?reel with a?hole in the center
Perfect of samples to be placed on top
"

Good idea. Positioning is critical.

Geo


From: "taray singh via groups.io" <sukhjez@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:35:16 AM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Another thing?
The plastic mount is a tape?reel with a?hole in the center
Perfect of samples to be placed on top
The pic of the tap is without the reel
It is just an object to help me take a pic shot
In case anyone is wondering..
Taray




On Friday, November 13, 2020, 12:25 AM, GEOelectronics@... wrote:

Thanks for the interesting report. Also on the old forum a member took scraping from white deposits left in the burner of his cooking stove,

In the outside environment I take samples from cracks and crevices of rain drain grates, very good at collecting and concentrating heavy particles, too small to see.

Geo




From: "taray singh via groups.io" <sukhjez@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:17:48 AM
Subject: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Hi guys

I have done this before in the old forum

This time with better results?

My faucet spout has a??silvery shiny surface with some mottling.Blocked by water deposits due water stagnation.

But I have a confession to make

The faucet was??mounted on white rounded plaster holder at the base

Not in the path of the primary beam

The results show various elements?

Ni,Cu,Zn??,Pb and perhaps Fe

Ni is the??shiny outer coating?

Zinc is the faucet spout

Cu is coming from brass??within (Cu and Zn)

Pb from solder?

Fe if present from plates/escutcheon ?

Zn causing corrosion and??heavy deposits

This cheap Chinese Zn faucet is a bad choice?

Deposits are contributing too

That will be another topic
Taray

?




 

You guys are making me want to hurry up and get some projects done so I can play with my setup!

By the way, Home Depot right now has a padded foam travel case on special purchase for $19.99 that is the perfect size to carry/protect the Amptek unit, power supply, some exciters and misc calibration sources.


On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 10:35 AM taray singh via <sukhjez=[email protected]> wrote:
Another thing?
The plastic mount is a tape?reel with a?hole in the center
Perfect of samples to be placed on top
The pic of the tap is without the reel
It is just an object to help me take a pic shot
In case anyone is wondering..
Taray




On Friday, November 13, 2020, 12:25 AM, GEOelectronics@... wrote:

Thanks for the interesting report. Also on the old forum a member took scraping from white deposits left in the burner of his cooking stove,

In the outside environment I take samples from cracks and crevices of rain drain grates, very good at collecting and concentrating heavy particles, too small to see.

Geo




From: "taray singh via " <sukhjez=[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:17:48 AM
Subject: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Hi guys

I have done this before in the old forum

This time with better results?

My faucet spout has a??silvery shiny surface with some mottling.Blocked by water deposits due water stagnation.

But I have a confession to make

The faucet was??mounted on white rounded plaster holder at the base

Not in the path of the primary beam

The results show various elements?

Ni,Cu,Zn??,Pb and perhaps Fe

Ni is the??shiny outer coating?

Zinc is the faucet spout

Cu is coming from brass??within (Cu and Zn)

Pb from solder?

Fe if present from plates/escutcheon ?

Zn causing corrosion and??heavy deposits

This cheap Chinese Zn faucet is a bad choice?

Deposits are contributing too

That will be another topic
Taray

?



 

Today I'm waiting for the last test to finish, it is a follow-up 24Hr B/G background test to finish off a week long study of a single sample of uranium without lower daughters.

The first step was to run a calibration test and record that, then a 3 day long run with the sample, then another calibration verification to prove before and after calibration, now a 24 Hr background test.

During the day long runs, the timer is set to stop at intervals so I can recorded the data up to that point in time, then timer is reset until the next interval has elapsed. A 3 day run may take 4 or more? days to complete with this stop-start situation. This allows data to build up but with a track-record of the process.?

Intermediate run times can be helpful later when comparing segments of the current run against older stored runs. When comparing two different samples, it is useful to have one of the major peaks be about the same height, display both scans on the same screen in LINEAR mode, allows direct comparisons to be made of peaks.

Without expensive software, we must rely on direct comparison between similar samples, one of which is calibrated or verified,? to achieve quantification values. For example I had Cs-137-in-soil samples made up at a certified lab into different sealed containers that fit our various sample holders. Jars, test tubes, etc. The contents ae weighed and gives a good starting place to compare unknow samples to a know one. The process to make such a sample set is very labor-intensive and so is the paper work trail.

Years of collecting have supplied similar exempt quantity standards for alpha-beta-gamma sources, as well as radium quantification standards and Uranium ore concentration standards and Unat and DU items (i.e. FiestaWare dIshes).


Since our sensors operate with a 5 X 5 mm (25mm^2) sensitive area, we must also take that into account and temper our quantification attempts accordingly. Many check sources have an active area that is smaller than the sensor sensitive area, but quite a few check sources are much larger, especially the electroplated ones.?

Geo


From: "taray singh via groups.io" <sukhjez@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:35:16 AM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Another thing?
The plastic mount is a tape?reel with a?hole in the center
Perfect of samples to be placed on top
The pic of the tap is without the reel
It is just an object to help me take a pic shot
In case anyone is wondering..
Taray




On Friday, November 13, 2020, 12:25 AM, GEOelectronics@... wrote:

Thanks for the interesting report. Also on the old forum a member took scraping from white deposits left in the burner of his cooking stove,

In the outside environment I take samples from cracks and crevices of rain drain grates, very good at collecting and concentrating heavy particles, too small to see.

Geo




From: "taray singh via groups.io" <sukhjez@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:17:48 AM
Subject: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Hi guys

I have done this before in the old forum

This time with better results?

My faucet spout has a??silvery shiny surface with some mottling.Blocked by water deposits due water stagnation.

But I have a confession to make

The faucet was??mounted on white rounded plaster holder at the base

Not in the path of the primary beam

The results show various elements?

Ni,Cu,Zn??,Pb and perhaps Fe

Ni is the??shiny outer coating?

Zinc is the faucet spout

Cu is coming from brass??within (Cu and Zn)

Pb from solder?

Fe if present from plates/escutcheon ?

Zn causing corrosion and??heavy deposits

This cheap Chinese Zn faucet is a bad choice?

Deposits are contributing too

That will be another topic
Taray

?




 

Very good Nick, meantime you can take advantage of our .mca files to familiarize yourself with the DPPMCA program/

Geo


From: "Nick Andrews" <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:58:42 AM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

You guys are making me want to hurry up and get some projects done so I can play with my setup!

By the way, Home Depot right now has a padded foam travel case on special purchase for $19.99 that is the perfect size to carry/protect the Amptek unit, power supply, some exciters and misc calibration sources.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 10:35 AM taray singh via <sukhjez=[email protected]> wrote:
Another thing?
The plastic mount is a tape?reel with a?hole in the center
Perfect of samples to be placed on top
The pic of the tap is without the reel
It is just an object to help me take a pic shot
In case anyone is wondering..
Taray




On Friday, November 13, 2020, 12:25 AM, GEOelectronics@... wrote:

Thanks for the interesting report. Also on the old forum a member took scraping from white deposits left in the burner of his cooking stove,

In the outside environment I take samples from cracks and crevices of rain drain grates, very good at collecting and concentrating heavy particles, too small to see.

Geo




From: "taray singh via " <sukhjez=[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:17:48 AM
Subject: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Hi guys

I have done this before in the old forum

This time with better results?

My faucet spout has a??silvery shiny surface with some mottling.Blocked by water deposits due water stagnation.

But I have a confession to make

The faucet was??mounted on white rounded plaster holder at the base

Not in the path of the primary beam

The results show various elements?

Ni,Cu,Zn??,Pb and perhaps Fe

Ni is the??shiny outer coating?

Zinc is the faucet spout

Cu is coming from brass??within (Cu and Zn)

Pb from solder?

Fe if present from plates/escutcheon ?

Zn causing corrosion and??heavy deposits

This cheap Chinese Zn faucet is a bad choice?

Deposits are contributing too

That will be another topic
Taray

?




 

Here is the case, sale at $19.99.


Yes, it's been interesting reading everyone's test reports!? I think I got one of your Cs calibrated soil samples a few years back.? I really do need to organize...

I was working on the 100 amp service into the shed yesterday and took some pics with my thermal imaging camera.? The corrugated steel outer skin (it's TX!), compared tot eh areas with sheathing and 3.5" of polyiso insulation installed, and then areas with the interior radiant barrier sheathing installed.? Very interesting.


On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:07 AM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Very good Nick, meantime you can take advantage of our .mca files to familiarize yourself with the DPPMCA program/

Geo


From: "Nick Andrews" <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:58:42 AM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

You guys are making me want to hurry up and get some projects done so I can play with my setup!

By the way, Home Depot right now has a padded foam travel case on special purchase for $19.99 that is the perfect size to carry/protect the Amptek unit, power supply, some exciters and misc calibration sources.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 10:35 AM taray singh via <sukhjez=[email protected]> wrote:
Another thing?
The plastic mount is a tape?reel with a?hole in the center
Perfect of samples to be placed on top
The pic of the tap is without the reel
It is just an object to help me take a pic shot
In case anyone is wondering..
Taray




On Friday, November 13, 2020, 12:25 AM, GEOelectronics@... wrote:

Thanks for the interesting report. Also on the old forum a member took scraping from white deposits left in the burner of his cooking stove,

In the outside environment I take samples from cracks and crevices of rain drain grates, very good at collecting and concentrating heavy particles, too small to see.

Geo




From: "taray singh via " <sukhjez=[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:17:48 AM
Subject: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Hi guys

I have done this before in the old forum

This time with better results?

My faucet spout has a??silvery shiny surface with some mottling.Blocked by water deposits due water stagnation.

But I have a confession to make

The faucet was??mounted on white rounded plaster holder at the base

Not in the path of the primary beam

The results show various elements?

Ni,Cu,Zn??,Pb and perhaps Fe

Ni is the??shiny outer coating?

Zinc is the faucet spout

Cu is coming from brass??within (Cu and Zn)

Pb from solder?

Fe if present from plates/escutcheon ?

Zn causing corrosion and??heavy deposits

This cheap Chinese Zn faucet is a bad choice?

Deposits are contributing too

That will be another topic
Taray

?




 

Glorious!
If you want to rent out the attic in the winter, give me a call.......
Geo


From: "Nick Andrews" <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:24:39 AM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Here is the case, sale at $19.99.


Yes, it's been interesting reading everyone's test reports!? I think I got one of your Cs calibrated soil samples a few years back.? I really do need to organize...

I was working on the 100 amp service into the shed yesterday and took some pics with my thermal imaging camera.? The corrugated steel outer skin (it's TX!), compared tot eh areas with sheathing and 3.5" of polyiso insulation installed, and then areas with the interior radiant barrier sheathing installed.? Very interesting.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:07 AM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Very good Nick, meantime you can take advantage of our .mca files to familiarize yourself with the DPPMCA program/

Geo


From: "Nick Andrews" <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:58:42 AM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

You guys are making me want to hurry up and get some projects done so I can play with my setup!

By the way, Home Depot right now has a padded foam travel case on special purchase for $19.99 that is the perfect size to carry/protect the Amptek unit, power supply, some exciters and misc calibration sources.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 10:35 AM taray singh via <sukhjez=[email protected]> wrote:
Another thing?
The plastic mount is a tape?reel with a?hole in the center
Perfect of samples to be placed on top
The pic of the tap is without the reel
It is just an object to help me take a pic shot
In case anyone is wondering..
Taray




On Friday, November 13, 2020, 12:25 AM, GEOelectronics@... wrote:

Thanks for the interesting report. Also on the old forum a member took scraping from white deposits left in the burner of his cooking stove,

In the outside environment I take samples from cracks and crevices of rain drain grates, very good at collecting and concentrating heavy particles, too small to see.

Geo




From: "taray singh via " <sukhjez=[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:17:48 AM
Subject: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Hi guys

I have done this before in the old forum

This time with better results?

My faucet spout has a??silvery shiny surface with some mottling.Blocked by water deposits due water stagnation.

But I have a confession to make

The faucet was??mounted on white rounded plaster holder at the base

Not in the path of the primary beam

The results show various elements?

Ni,Cu,Zn??,Pb and perhaps Fe

Ni is the??shiny outer coating?

Zinc is the faucet spout

Cu is coming from brass??within (Cu and Zn)

Pb from solder?

Fe if present from plates/escutcheon ?

Zn causing corrosion and??heavy deposits

This cheap Chinese Zn faucet is a bad choice?

Deposits are contributing too

That will be another topic
Taray

?





taray singh
 

There could be some??issues with Yahoo app in posting mca files plus copy a paste feature on handphone or pc.

Messages with attachments ought to posted via website?

Yahoo mail on??pc may not allow copy and paste .

Making instant text messages on the website can have its setbacks.

Typing errors,repetitions and lack of details??

One of the ways is creating a word file attachment but don¡¯t t prefer this way

Posting from the Iphone etc has the advantage of portability??and timing.

Copy and paste feature is enabled

Just transfer pics or mca files to hp ,save??and post when ready.

I had issues attaching mca files from hp group??website .

Iphone??software fails to recognize this format?

Also uncertain whether the file is attached correctly .

My faucet mca was my first attempt and I think it was successful?

Just click on??downloaded mca file on iPhone.

Without internet there is an Oops error message?

Be online and a notepad like format appears.

Subsequently this format is recognized.

Save it in yr Iphone and attach when required from website.

Taray







On Friday, November 13, 2020, 3:19 AM, GEOelectronics@... wrote:

Glorious!
If you want to rent out the attic in the winter, give me a call.......
Geo


From: "Nick Andrews" <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:24:39 AM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Here is the case, sale at $19.99.


Yes, it's been interesting reading everyone's test reports!? I think I got one of your Cs calibrated soil samples a few years back.? I really do need to organize...

I was working on the 100 amp service into the shed yesterday and took some pics with my thermal imaging camera.? The corrugated steel outer skin (it's TX!), compared tot eh areas with sheathing and 3.5" of polyiso insulation installed, and then areas with the interior radiant barrier sheathing installed.? Very interesting.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:07 AM <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
Very good Nick, meantime you can take advantage of our .mca files to familiarize yourself with the DPPMCA program/

Geo


From: "Nick Andrews" <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:58:42 AM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

You guys are making me want to hurry up and get some projects done so I can play with my setup!

By the way, Home Depot right now has a padded foam travel case on special purchase for $19.99 that is the perfect size to carry/protect the Amptek unit, power supply, some exciters and misc calibration sources.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 10:35 AM taray singh via <sukhjez=[email protected]> wrote:
Another thing?
The plastic mount is a tape?reel with a?hole in the center
Perfect of samples to be placed on top
The pic of the tap is without the reel
It is just an object to help me take a pic shot
In case anyone is wondering..
Taray




On Friday, November 13, 2020, 12:25 AM, GEOelectronics@... wrote:

Thanks for the interesting report. Also on the old forum a member took scraping from white deposits left in the burner of his cooking stove,

In the outside environment I take samples from cracks and crevices of rain drain grates, very good at collecting and concentrating heavy particles, too small to see.

Geo




From: "taray singh via " <sukhjez=[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:17:48 AM
Subject: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Hi guys

I have done this before in the old forum

This time with better results?

My faucet spout has a??silvery shiny surface with some mottling.Blocked by water deposits due water stagnation.

But I have a confession to make

The faucet was??mounted on white rounded plaster holder at the base

Not in the path of the primary beam

The results show various elements?

Ni,Cu,Zn??,Pb and perhaps Fe

Ni is the??shiny outer coating?

Zinc is the faucet spout

Cu is coming from brass??within (Cu and Zn)

Pb from solder?

Fe if present from plates/escutcheon ?

Zn causing corrosion and??heavy deposits

This cheap Chinese Zn faucet is a bad choice?

Deposits are contributing too

That will be another topic
Taray

?





taray singh
 

Hi guys
I have? some reservations against using any plastic mounts? near my Xray beam,
So I repeated with some layers of surgical tape? with cardboard base.
Next time probably just the cardboard base.
Even white surgical tapes may have some zinc oxide coat which I did not notice in my? ?tape scan
Repeated at 3 different sides.
There is chromium noted probably coming from the coating.
The tap sediment end may be showing some traces of lead
Thanks
Taray


 

?NOTE: on Library File attached, change .txt to .lib and store on your computer in the Amptek LIBRARY folder. Load into your DPPMCA program using ANALZE then ADD LIBRARY on the top menu line.

Groups.io rejects messages with .lib suffix for some reason, they think is an executable file.

Great scan Taray, there is no interfering from the exciter!

The main peaks are well placed and perfectly calibrated. Shown in pic is the auto-analysis I did, all main peaks were identified but I had to add Zn-Kb1 it was too small for auto ID. Also shown are the steps to?
set up your own auto ANALYZE function.

Geo
Taray-Tap-Brass.png


 

First being shown is Taray's "Tap sediment end.mca) loaded into live_data_2 and showing as? solid red
peaks

with the "Tap brass.mca" loaded in live_data_1 with its peaks showing as black outlines. If the user wished to see only one set of peaks, the other ones would have been set to H for HIDE instead of left with no letter in the front. If set up that way, you can animate them back and forth with keystrokes. Sometimes overlaying the peaks is too busy to be effective.


I've highlighted different peaks, especially the Pb Ka1. It will be clearer in the second picture what a big difference there is at 10.55kev between the scans. To me this would definitely raise a red flag for Pb but at this stage is not definite enough to call it 100%. Further testing would be merited and could swing it one way or the other.

All colors are set by the user as is their intensity (# of pixels)

Notice at the top of the display it is showing the name of the active .mca file. When we change the other file to being active instead, this will change to that file name.

Taray-Tap_sediment_end-A.png


Now the same two scans, but switched with the outline becoming solid red and vise versa.

To me the 10.55keV difference is much clearer in this setting. Close but about half a channel off Pb

Taray-Tap_brass-A.png.



However below see how we can expand down to 1 keV full width (less is possible, and this scan was taken with only 2048 channels, we can do up to 8k channels for even better resolution but longer scan time).
1 keV = 1000 electron-volts. Look how many individual peaks can be inside a single keV.

Taray-Tap_sediment_end-A-10-11keV-notes.png





Have fun?
Geo


 

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Geo / Taray,

Both of these spectra are way under counted. In addition it¡¯s difficult to compare spectra with different count times. One is 1760s the other is 5000s with a difference at 10.55 keV of 1 vs 3 counts and 3 counts in one channel is not a peak. Seeing one or two noisy peaks coming up and stopping with a short count is missing the rest and probably the better part of the picture. Count till you have a Gaussian peak shape and count long enough to see the weak elements coming up. In this case were you looking at a Pb La1 or an As Ka1.

As they say, It ain¡¯t over till the fat lady peaks¡­and that takes time.

Dud

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

?

First being shown is Taray's "Tap sediment end.mca) loaded into live_data_2 and showing as? solid red
peaks

with the "Tap brass.mca" loaded in live_data_1 with its peaks showing as black outlines. If the user wished to see only one set of peaks, the other ones would have been set to H for HIDE instead of left with no letter in the front. If set up that way, you can animate them back and forth with keystrokes. Sometimes overlaying the peaks is too busy to be effective.


I've highlighted different peaks, especially the Pb Ka1. It will be clearer in the second picture what a big difference there is at 10.55kev between the scans. To me this would definitely raise a red flag for Pb but at this stage is not definite enough to call it 100%. Further testing would be merited and could swing it one way or the other.

All colors are set by the user as is their intensity (# of pixels)

Notice at the top of the display it is showing the name of the active .mca file. When we change the other file to being active instead, this will change to that file name.

Taray-Tap_sediment_end-A.png


Now the same two scans, but switched with the outline becoming solid red and vise versa.

To me the 10.55keV difference is much clearer in this setting. Close but about half a channel off Pb

Taray-Tap_brass-A.png.



However below see how we can expand down to 1 keV full width (less is possible, and this scan was taken with only 2048 channels, we can do up to 8k channels for even better resolution but longer scan time).
1 keV = 1000 electron-volts. Look how many individual peaks can be inside a single keV.

Taray-Tap_sediment_end-A-10-11keV-notes.png





Have fun?
Geo


 

"Pb La1 or an As Ka1."

Agreed, and did check both for their "mate" Lb1; Kb1 with no confirmation.

We've run enough background checks to say that a channel with only 1 or even 2? "hits" can be disregarded. From about 3 and up, I start looking for a reason, most times come up short, but that does create curiosity to redo something in the setup.

This is the reason most of my declared finds are shown in LINEAR mode, where the peak heights mean something, and have been run long enough to provide sufficient evidence, and now Hacker RADDECAY4.0 is running OK on the computer, we have a lot more detailed X-Ray lines to use for correlation. Like L1 etc.

Geo


----- Original Message -----
From: Dude <dfemer@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:34:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

Geo
/ Taray,

Both
of these spectra are way under counted. In addition it¡¯s difficult to compare
spectra with different count times. One is 1760s the other is 5000s with a
difference at 10.55 keV of 1 vs 3 counts and 3 counts in one channel is not a
peak. Seeing one or two noisy peaks coming up and stopping with a short count
is missing the rest and probably the better part of the picture. Count till you
have a Gaussian peak shape and count long enough to see the weak elements
coming up. In this case were you looking at a Pb La1 or an As Ka1.

As
they say, It ain¡¯t over till the fat lady peaks¡­and that takes time.

Dud

?

From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

?

First being shown is Taray's "Tap sediment end.mca)
loaded into live_data_2 and showing as? solid red

peaks


with the "Tap brass.mca" loaded in live_data_1 with its peaks showing
as black outlines. If the user wished to see only one set of peaks, the other
ones would have been set to H for HIDE instead of left with no letter in the
front. If set up that way, you can animate them back and forth with keystrokes.
Sometimes overlaying the peaks is too busy to be effective.



I've highlighted different peaks, especially the Pb Ka1. It will be clearer in
the second picture what a big difference there is at 10.55kev between the
scans. To me this would definitely raise a red flag for Pb but at this stage is
not definite enough to call it 100%. Further testing would be merited and could
swing it one way or the other.


All colors are set by the user as is their intensity (# of pixels)


Notice at the top of the display it is showing the name of the active .mca
file. When we change the other file to being active instead, this will change
to that file name.





Now the same two scans, but switched with the outline becoming solid red and
vise versa.


To me the 10.55keV difference is much clearer in this setting. Close but about
half a channel off Pb

.




However below see how we can expand down to 1 keV full width (less is possible,
and this scan was taken with only 2048 channels, we can do up to 8k channels
for even better resolution but longer scan time).

1 keV = 1000 electron-volts. Look how many individual peaks can be inside a
single keV.








Have fun?

Geo







 

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Geo,

I don¡¯t agree with you on the linear mode thing . All its showing is the high concentration elements and suppressing the weaker stuff, but they are still there and while not as dramatic they are more important to the interpretation that the big suckers. Viewing in log or sqrt mode offers a much larger dynamic range and shows much more information which is essential for determining what¡¯s really there and what you may be missing. Linear mode in my opinion is just a pretty picture and not really useful for much while log space is where the action is. ?I might point out that it¡¯s not the apparent peak height that¡¯s important, it¡¯s actually the peak net area that is used in the real world.

Now I¡¯m not saying I wouldn¡¯t use it n trying to sell some rube a poor low quality gold ring as it does look pretty.

Dud
BTW keep up the DPPMCA lessons, I picked up 3 tricks out of that last lesson I had no idea where there.

?

?

?

?

Agreed, and did check both for their "mate" Lb1; Kb1 with no confirmation.



We've run enough background checks to say that a channel with only 1 or even 2? "hits" can be disregarded. From about 3 and up, I start looking for a reason, most times come up short, but that does create curiosity to redo something in the setup.



This is the reason most of my declared finds are shown in LINEAR mode, where the peak heights mean something, and have been run long enough to provide sufficient evidence, and now Hacker RADDECAY4.0 is running OK on the computer, we have a lot more detailed X-Ray lines to use for correlation. Like L1 etc.



Geo



?

Geo
/ Taray,

Both
of these spectra are way under counted. In addition it¡¯s difficult to compare
spectra with different count times. One is 1760s the other is 5000s with a
difference at 10.55 keV of 1 vs 3 counts and 3 counts in one channel is not a
peak. Seeing one or two noisy peaks coming up and stopping with a short count
is missing the rest and probably the better part of the picture. Count till you
have a Gaussian peak shape and count long enough to see the weak elements
coming up. In this case were you looking at a Pb La1 or an As Ka1.

As
they say, It ain¡¯t over till the fat lady peaks¡­and that takes time.

Dud

?

From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet

?

First being shown is Taray's "Tap sediment end.mca)
loaded into live_data_2 and showing as? solid red

peaks


with the "Tap brass.mca" loaded in live_data_1 with its peaks showing
as black outlines. If the user wished to see only one set of peaks, the other
ones would have been set to H for HIDE instead of left with no letter in the
front. If set up that way, you can animate them back and forth with keystrokes.
Sometimes overlaying the peaks is too busy to be effective.



I've highlighted different peaks, especially the Pb Ka1. It will be clearer in
the second picture what a big difference there is at 10.55kev between the
scans. To me this would definitely raise a red flag for Pb but at this stage is
not definite enough to call it 100%. Further testing would be merited and could
swing it one way or the other.


All colors are set by the user as is their intensity (# of pixels)


Notice at the top of the display it is showing the name of the active .mca
file. When we change the other file to being active instead, this will change
to that file name.





Now the same two scans, but switched with the outline becoming solid red and
vise versa.


To me the 10.55keV difference is much clearer in this setting. Close but about
half a channel off Pb

.




However below see how we can expand down to 1 keV full width (less is possible,
and this scan was taken with only 2048 channels, we can do up to 8k channels
for even better resolution but longer scan time).

1 keV = 1000 electron-volts. Look how many individual peaks can be inside a
single keV.








Have fun?

Geo

?

?

?

?

?


taray singh
 

I collected first flush from unused faucets and a reddish brown sludge was subsequently??added??to used coffee ground .?

Soaked overnight?

Excess water drained out and coffee put to dry in the sun

Subsequently repacked in thin kitchen plastic and scanned overnight?

Xrf findings show Fe,Ni ,Zn and lead?

A test of shorter duration??of clean used coffee show weaker peaks??somewhat similar.

Putting together the old faucet structure and this finding makes me arrive to a certain conclusion?

Zinc faucets a potent corrosive agents

The stagnant water in the faucet and??the proximal plumbing system is accounting for a build up of heavy metals?

If left alone it will eventually cause total blockage like what happened??to this faucet?

This coffee ground is all also a reflection??of the state of the water used at the primary source??and the actual brewing process where heating elements leached

metals into the coffee

This coffee ground came from hospital lounge?

Apparently all drinking water there is prefiltered

So far nobody I contacted including??the technicians could tell me the nature of the heating elements used in my??coffee maker?

Ni ,Cr,Al or steel are common heating coils.

The coffee beans have some natural elements present excluding any poor irrigation??system at the plantations.

I have to do test on clean coffee beans and a another for the used coffee ground to get a clear picture of my faucet findings.

But putting all the pieces together does suggest my tap water water contain measurable heavy??metals?

Pics are coffee ground residue??/clean coffee 4096 mca?

I think I will take a coffee break??for now

TarayInline image






On Monday, November 16, 2020, 2:22 AM, GEOelectronics@... <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:

First being shown is Taray's "Tap sediment end.mca) loaded into live_data_2 and showing as? solid red
peaks

with the "Tap brass.mca" loaded in live_data_1 with its peaks showing as black outlines. If the user wished to see only one set of peaks, the other ones would have been set to H for HIDE instead of left with no letter in the front. If set up that way, you can animate them back and forth with keystrokes. Sometimes overlaying the peaks is too busy to be effective.


I've highlighted different peaks, especially the Pb Ka1. It will be clearer in the second picture what a big difference there is at 10.55kev between the scans. To me this would definitely raise a red flag for Pb but at this stage is not definite enough to call it 100%. Further testing would be merited and could swing it one way or the other.

All colors are set by the user as is their intensity (# of pixels)

Notice at the top of the display it is showing the name of the active .mca file. When we change the other file to being active instead, this will change to that file name.

Taray-Tap_sediment_end-A.png


Now the same two scans, but switched with the outline becoming solid red and vise versa.

To me the 10.55keV difference is much clearer in this setting. Close but about half a channel off Pb

Taray-Tap_brass-A.png.



However below see how we can expand down to 1 keV full width (less is possible, and this scan was taken with only 2048 channels, we can do up to 8k channels for even better resolution but longer scan time).
1 keV = 1000 electron-volts. Look how many individual peaks can be inside a single keV.

Taray-Tap_sediment_end-A-10-11keV-notes.png





Have fun?
Geo


taray singh
 


Inline image

Forgot this..




On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 8:40 AM, taray singh via groups.io <sukhjez@...> wrote:

I collected first flush from unused faucets and a reddish brown sludge was subsequently??added??to used coffee ground .?

Soaked overnight?

Excess water drained out and coffee put to dry in the sun

Subsequently repacked in thin kitchen plastic and scanned overnight?

Xrf findings show Fe,Ni ,Zn and lead?

A test of shorter duration??of clean used coffee show weaker peaks??somewhat similar.

Putting together the old faucet structure and this finding makes me arrive to a certain conclusion?

Zinc faucets a potent corrosive agents

The stagnant water in the faucet and??the proximal plumbing system is accounting for a build up of heavy metals?

If left alone it will eventually cause total blockage like what happened??to this faucet?

This coffee ground is all also a reflection??of the state of the water used at the primary source??and the actual brewing process where heating elements leached

metals into the coffee

This coffee ground came from hospital lounge?

Apparently all drinking water there is prefiltered

So far nobody I contacted including??the technicians could tell me the nature of the heating elements used in my??coffee maker?

Ni ,Cr,Al or steel are common heating coils.

The coffee beans have some natural elements present excluding any poor irrigation??system at the plantations.

I have to do test on clean coffee beans and a another for the used coffee ground to get a clear picture of my faucet findings.

But putting all the pieces together does suggest my tap water water contain measurable heavy??metals?

Pics are coffee ground residue??/clean coffee 4096 mca?

I think I will take a coffee break??for now

TarayInline image






On Monday, November 16, 2020, 2:22 AM, GEOelectronics@... <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:

First being shown is Taray's "Tap sediment end.mca) loaded into live_data_2 and showing as? solid red
peaks

with the "Tap brass.mca" loaded in live_data_1 with its peaks showing as black outlines. If the user wished to see only one set of peaks, the other ones would have been set to H for HIDE instead of left with no letter in the front. If set up that way, you can animate them back and forth with keystrokes. Sometimes overlaying the peaks is too busy to be effective.


I've highlighted different peaks, especially the Pb Ka1. It will be clearer in the second picture what a big difference there is at 10.55kev between the scans. To me this would definitely raise a red flag for Pb but at this stage is not definite enough to call it 100%. Further testing would be merited and could swing it one way or the other.

All colors are set by the user as is their intensity (# of pixels)

Notice at the top of the display it is showing the name of the active .mca file. When we change the other file to being active instead, this will change to that file name.

Taray-Tap_sediment_end-A.png


Now the same two scans, but switched with the outline becoming solid red and vise versa.

To me the 10.55keV difference is much clearer in this setting. Close but about half a channel off Pb

Taray-Tap_brass-A.png.



However below see how we can expand down to 1 keV full width (less is possible, and this scan was taken with only 2048 channels, we can do up to 8k channels for even better resolution but longer scan time).
1 keV = 1000 electron-volts. Look how many individual peaks can be inside a single keV.

Taray-Tap_sediment_end-A-10-11keV-notes.png





Have fun?
Geo


 


This is an interesting thread Taray, thanks, we will watch it grow.

Geo


From: "taray singh via groups.io" <sukhjez@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 6:48:31 PM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf old faucet


Inline image
Forgot this..




On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 8:40 AM, taray singh via groups.io <sukhjez@...> wrote:

I collected first flush from unused faucets and a reddish brown sludge was subsequently??added??to used coffee ground .?

Soaked overnight?

Excess water drained out and coffee put to dry in the sun

Subsequently repacked in thin kitchen plastic and scanned overnight?

Xrf findings show Fe,Ni ,Zn and lead?

A test of shorter duration??of clean used coffee show weaker peaks??somewhat similar.

Putting together the old faucet structure and this finding makes me arrive to a certain conclusion?

Zinc faucets a potent corrosive agents

The stagnant water in the faucet and??the proximal plumbing system is accounting for a build up of heavy metals?

If left alone it will eventually cause total blockage like what happened??to this faucet?

This coffee ground is all also a reflection??of the state of the water used at the primary source??and the actual brewing process where heating elements leached

metals into the coffee

This coffee ground came from hospital lounge?

Apparently all drinking water there is prefiltered

So far nobody I contacted including??the technicians could tell me the nature of the heating elements used in my??coffee maker?

Ni ,Cr,Al or steel are common heating coils.

The coffee beans have some natural elements present excluding any poor irrigation??system at the plantations.

I have to do test on clean coffee beans and a another for the used coffee ground to get a clear picture of my faucet findings.

But putting all the pieces together does suggest my tap water water contain measurable heavy??metals?

Pics are coffee ground residue??/clean coffee 4096 mca?

I think I will take a coffee break??for now

TarayInline image






On Monday, November 16, 2020, 2:22 AM, GEOelectronics@... <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:

First being shown is Taray's "Tap sediment end.mca) loaded into live_data_2 and showing as? solid red
peaks

with the "Tap brass.mca" loaded in live_data_1 with its peaks showing as black outlines. If the user wished to see only one set of peaks, the other ones would have been set to H for HIDE instead of left with no letter in the front. If set up that way, you can animate them back and forth with keystrokes. Sometimes overlaying the peaks is too busy to be effective.


I've highlighted different peaks, especially the Pb Ka1. It will be clearer in the second picture what a big difference there is at 10.55kev between the scans. To me this would definitely raise a red flag for Pb but at this stage is not definite enough to call it 100%. Further testing would be merited and could swing it one way or the other.

All colors are set by the user as is their intensity (# of pixels)

Notice at the top of the display it is showing the name of the active .mca file. When we change the other file to being active instead, this will change to that file name.

Taray-Tap_sediment_end-A.png


Now the same two scans, but switched with the outline becoming solid red and vise versa.

To me the 10.55keV difference is much clearer in this setting. Close but about half a channel off Pb

Taray-Tap_brass-A.png.



However below see how we can expand down to 1 keV full width (less is possible, and this scan was taken with only 2048 channels, we can do up to 8k channels for even better resolution but longer scan time).
1 keV = 1000 electron-volts. Look how many individual peaks can be inside a single keV.

Taray-Tap_sediment_end-A-10-11keV-notes.png





Have fun?
Geo