XRF Wiki
Welcome to the XRF Wiki. This Wiki is a repository of information contributed by members of [email protected]. Members can view and edit the pages. The pages are currently not viewable by the public. The pages below represent a rough overview of the technology and techniques associated with X-Ray Florescence Spectroscopy as well as serving as a place for members to organize the spectra that they have contributed to the forum.?
As a starting point, the pages will be populated by information taken from member posts from the past few years - with references/attribution. Perhaps in time, these pages can be edited by members to make them more complete and less choppy. Members can also edit this page, making the structure of the content more organized.?
Pages can contain information about a particular topic, links to relevant resources (such as manuals, research papers, etc.), links to relevant forum discussions on the topic, book titles, or anything that might be useful.
What follows is very much a work in progress.
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Adding to the Wiki
For those unfamiliar with the Wiki phenomenon, it is basically a user editable encyclopedia. The idea is that there are pages with different articles, which the user can read and also choose to edit if desired. If a piece of information is incorrect, a link outdated, or the presentation choppy or unclear, the user can just click "Edit Page" at the bottom and then fix the mistake. There is also a "Page History," so if you a user were to make a mistake or maliciously destroy a page (which wouldn't happen here) an editor can come along and restore the page to a previous version.?
If you have used MediaWiki (the engine that runs behind the scene of Wikipedia.org) you will be familiar with a certain style of creating an article. There are tags that one uses to change the formatting of the parts of the article. The Wiki on Groups.io uses a different background engine and so the standard MediaWiki syntax does not apply here. Rather, the page is edited using the same tools as one would use to compose a message on the forums. If you are a programmer or someone who likes using the tagged syntax directly, you can access the underlying page source code, be activating the advanced editing toolbar (the icon with three lines on the far right of the basic toolbar) and then clicking on the source code icon <> on the far right of the Advance Editing Toolbar. You will immediately notice that the underlying source code is HTML. Most things can be done just by using the various icons, but advanced features like table can only be implemented by manually writing the source code. (Although there are website available that will generate the source code for you through a graphical interface.)
Here are some useful resources from Groups.io:?
Wiki Guide for Users and Editors
Message Composition Tips and Tricks
Overview of XRF
X-Ray Florescence vs. X-Ray Diffraction
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Hardware
This section describes the hardware used for XRF. We will describe the basic theory of operation of each stage in the processing tool chain and then present different commercial systems that are available as these systems are often integrated together.
[Editor note: General theory needs to be in an independent page separate from specific manufacturer information.
[Editor note - question: Should this be arranged by category, e.g detectors, preamps, etc or by manufacturer with the manufacturers product line on one page. Perhaps it's best to put a list of products with theory but the details of the products on a manufacture page...]
Detectors?- what's available, theory of operation, tradeoffs
Detector Cooling?- keeping detectors cool to avoid thermal noise and keeping the TEC from overheating
Preamps?- theory of operation, brief summary of what out there (and what not to do - such as trying to use a PMT preamp for a SiPIN diode...)
Pulse Processing Theory - high level overview of the stages of going from detector pulse to channel peaks on the computer
Commercial Systems - many commercial systems are integrated so it seems to make sense to present, for example all Amptek products together. [question: are their other affordable integrated systems besides Amptek?]
Amptek XRF System
Activation Sources - what do you use to make the sample fluoresce (that's within the amateur budget and doesn't require special licensing)
Software
- Device Control Software - what do you use to collect the data from the detector system
- XRF Analysis Software - what do you use to analyze the data, especially for quantitative measurements (composition percentages, thin film measurement)
- Free Software Tools
Note: there may be software packages that possess some or all of these characteristics.
Materials Spectra
Metals Spectra
Historic/Archeological Spectra
Reference Materials Spectra
Household Objects Spectra
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Resources
Videos
Articles
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Non-XRF Techniques
Gamma Spectroscopy
Raman Spectroscopy
FTIR - Fourier Transform Infrared Spectroscopy
Atomic Emission Spectroscopy
Inductively Coupled Atomic Emission Spectroscopy
Spark Emission Spectroscopy
Atomic Absorption Spectroscopy
LIBS - Laser Induced Breakdown Spectroscopy
Photoacoustic Spectroscopy
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Re: Trinitite Chunk Metal
Here is the Chunk, I guess it could be copper but as shiny as buffed copper? after 75+ years.
Scott
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Re: Trinitite
Steve,
That indeed is a good read, thank you. I have a piece of Red that has a chuck of what look like gold, shiny and not formed like the typical copper spheres. I will find and post a picture...has
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SCOTT CAMPBELL
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Re: Trinitite
Attached is a good paper that goes into some detail about the metallic inclusions in trinitite.
Steve
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Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 3:27 PM
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Re: Trinitite
"Geo,
I've begun to think that all the Red varieties contain many of these metallic spheres,"
PS the other Red one in my collection came from the same collector, and shows nothing inside at least
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Trinitite
Sure enough Scott, your pictures are clearer than mine. I need to work on that. The best sphere's in mine are solid black, but small, look like black shiny glass.
Geo
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Trinitite
Geo,I've begun to think that all the Red varieties contain many of these metallic spheres, I found a piece that was pulverized in my sample...and held within it many colored metallic spheres...that
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SCOTT CAMPBELL
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Re: Trinitite
Geo,
I've begun to think that all the Red varieties contain many of these metallic spheres, I found a piece that was pulverized in my sample...and held within it many colored balls...that separated
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SCOTT CAMPBELL
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Re: Trinitite
Scott- pic of your red on and the big ball inclusion. I'll bet yours and mine were close neighbors once about 75 years ago. The theory is these were part of the fist structures to form during the
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Trinitite
Inside pictures of the Red Trinitite that has? a partially exposed metal ball. That whole piece is peppered with spheres and blobs. This is the section that has the largest, which is also the
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Xrf timing belt
PS on the thermal, it is OK to put a small fan nearby to help cool the body.
Later we will work on a simple heatsink for the case.......Fins are good, not much heat to transfrer to air about 1 Watt
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Xrf timing belt
I always wondered what is in new no-asbestos brake pads. Now we know. A quick look= Titanium, Iron, Copper Zirconium, Barium. All showing Ka and Kb X-Rays I think.
Geo
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Re: Xrf timing belt
Geo
Today I noticed during a long??daytime scan,the temperature at the back on the extreme left was rising about 8 degrees celsius??near the USB port.
Elsewhere it is usually less than 3 or 4
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Xrf timing belt
Thanks for the longer scan Taray, but please don't hesitate to post shorter scans with lower peak heights like you did yesterday.
This is good practice and a source of discussion.
Basically that's
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GEOelectronics@...
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#1817
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Re: Xrf timing belt
Dude
Interesting?
Xrf of lubricating oil after use
Gives info about engine condition before and after?
Only have leftover new oil at the moment?
Can still check for additives like zinc
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Xrf timing belt
XRF has been used to look at metal in engine oil, give that a try.
Dud
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 9:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Xrf timing belt
Dude
Yes I was expecting
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Dude
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Re: Xrf timing belt
Dude
Yes I was expecting that ha ha
Could have done a longer scan but I was running out of time yesterday.
I acquired a cartoon of my car disposable parts goodies??late yesterday.
They consist
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Xrf timing belt
You ID¡¯d only the very strongest peak and at only 7 total counts some would argue that is insufficient to make a claim considering close overlap and confirming with secondary peaks . What about the
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Dude
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Re: Xrf timing belt
Nice catch on the metals in the rubber Taray. That's why we test everything!
And your direct exciter 59.5 leakage is almost not even detectable, just a little Compton backscatter from it at the
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Xrf timing belt
HI guys
Before doing this xrf .I knew little about timing belts and how they actually function.
I thought made of just plain rubber or something like that until my car timing belt almost snapped on
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Geo'e different GROUPS.io Groups for different topics.
LINKS TO GROUPS
* Alpha-Beta-Gamma-Society ( /g/Alpha-Beta-Gamma-Society/topics )
* CDV700CLUB ( /g/CDV700CLUB/topics )
* GammaSpectrometry-Archives (
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GEOelectronics@...
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