XRF Wiki
Welcome to the XRF Wiki. This Wiki is a repository of information contributed by members of [email protected]. Members can view and edit the pages. The pages are currently not viewable by the public. The pages below represent a rough overview of the technology and techniques associated with X-Ray Florescence Spectroscopy as well as serving as a place for members to organize the spectra that they have contributed to the forum.?
As a starting point, the pages will be populated by information taken from member posts from the past few years - with references/attribution. Perhaps in time, these pages can be edited by members to make them more complete and less choppy. Members can also edit this page, making the structure of the content more organized.?
Pages can contain information about a particular topic, links to relevant resources (such as manuals, research papers, etc.), links to relevant forum discussions on the topic, book titles, or anything that might be useful.
What follows is very much a work in progress.
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Adding to the Wiki
For those unfamiliar with the Wiki phenomenon, it is basically a user editable encyclopedia. The idea is that there are pages with different articles, which the user can read and also choose to edit if desired. If a piece of information is incorrect, a link outdated, or the presentation choppy or unclear, the user can just click "Edit Page" at the bottom and then fix the mistake. There is also a "Page History," so if you a user were to make a mistake or maliciously destroy a page (which wouldn't happen here) an editor can come along and restore the page to a previous version.?
If you have used MediaWiki (the engine that runs behind the scene of Wikipedia.org) you will be familiar with a certain style of creating an article. There are tags that one uses to change the formatting of the parts of the article. The Wiki on Groups.io uses a different background engine and so the standard MediaWiki syntax does not apply here. Rather, the page is edited using the same tools as one would use to compose a message on the forums. If you are a programmer or someone who likes using the tagged syntax directly, you can access the underlying page source code, be activating the advanced editing toolbar (the icon with three lines on the far right of the basic toolbar) and then clicking on the source code icon <> on the far right of the Advance Editing Toolbar. You will immediately notice that the underlying source code is HTML. Most things can be done just by using the various icons, but advanced features like table can only be implemented by manually writing the source code. (Although there are website available that will generate the source code for you through a graphical interface.)
Here are some useful resources from Groups.io:?
Wiki Guide for Users and Editors
Message Composition Tips and Tricks
Overview of XRF
X-Ray Florescence vs. X-Ray Diffraction
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Hardware
This section describes the hardware used for XRF. We will describe the basic theory of operation of each stage in the processing tool chain and then present different commercial systems that are available as these systems are often integrated together.
[Editor note: General theory needs to be in an independent page separate from specific manufacturer information.
[Editor note - question: Should this be arranged by category, e.g detectors, preamps, etc or by manufacturer with the manufacturers product line on one page. Perhaps it's best to put a list of products with theory but the details of the products on a manufacture page...]
Detectors?- what's available, theory of operation, tradeoffs
Detector Cooling?- keeping detectors cool to avoid thermal noise and keeping the TEC from overheating
Preamps?- theory of operation, brief summary of what out there (and what not to do - such as trying to use a PMT preamp for a SiPIN diode...)
Pulse Processing Theory - high level overview of the stages of going from detector pulse to channel peaks on the computer
Commercial Systems - many commercial systems are integrated so it seems to make sense to present, for example all Amptek products together. [question: are their other affordable integrated systems besides Amptek?]
Amptek XRF System
Activation Sources - what do you use to make the sample fluoresce (that's within the amateur budget and doesn't require special licensing)
Software
- Device Control Software - what do you use to collect the data from the detector system
- XRF Analysis Software - what do you use to analyze the data, especially for quantitative measurements (composition percentages, thin film measurement)
- Free Software Tools
Note: there may be software packages that possess some or all of these characteristics.
Materials Spectra
Metals Spectra
Historic/Archeological Spectra
Reference Materials Spectra
Household Objects Spectra
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Resources
Videos
Articles
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Non-XRF Techniques
Gamma Spectroscopy
Raman Spectroscopy
FTIR - Fourier Transform Infrared Spectroscopy
Atomic Emission Spectroscopy
Inductively Coupled Atomic Emission Spectroscopy
Spark Emission Spectroscopy
Atomic Absorption Spectroscopy
LIBS - Laser Induced Breakdown Spectroscopy
Photoacoustic Spectroscopy
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
GeoI actually tried moving the fine gain after initial coarse settings?Each time I move to the extreme?right,the scale reverts back to left.It was difficult to assess the movement of channel peaks
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
Good. No problems, I enjoy this 100%.It's good to have a collleague.FIRST- Calibration looks fine.Second- would you like to increase the gain and move the 50.54 peak off to near the right side? This
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
Geo
Here is the Am 241 spectrum with the same settings.
Sorry for the delay.
As for scale error above I misquoted being way from my pc,
On starting Dppmca? ,calibrating? and connecting to si pin,the
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Mini Xray with Si pin
Here's the
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Re: Mini Xray with Si pin
GeoUr using higher energies?I am sure ur setup is optimum?Are u using a lead compartment?Taray
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
DudI have no access to the mca at this moment?So I cannot checkI will review?the mca tomorrow?I did cal with Bi and 59.5 with 2048Cal details are in the mca using notepadBut I do admit on
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
I can¡¯t match anything except the low fe
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2020 2:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [XRF] Chinese water filter analysis
Looks like Taray calibrated with Bi XRF and
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Dude
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
Looks like Taray calibrated with Bi XRF and 59.5 Gamma Ray then did this run.The low energies seem exact to me Dud. I don't know what the thing at ~49 is tho.
Geo
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
Taray,
These calibrates are not right for this run. Did you re cal when changing anything?
Dud
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2020 6:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [XRF] Chinese water filter
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
GeoIt appears to need overlapping data files?I will check it ?when free
Regarding calibration data ,you can get by?opening mca file with notepad .If you continue scrolling below <data> ,lots of
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
2 minutes, easy superimpose.=
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
"Barium is used to make X-ray shielding walls,gut radiological procedures like barium enema and phosphorSome glasses contain barytesTaray
On Sunday, November 1, 2020, 9:40 PM,
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
Geo
I think it is Bi 10.84 and Am 59.5Taray
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
Can you send short only -Am looking at the sensor scan? 60 seconds.mca please?
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
Barium is used to make X-ray shielding walls,gut radiological procedures like barium enema??and phosphorSome glasses contain barytesTaray
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
Taray, send CAL data please picture of CAL or just the two channel/energy point #s.Geo
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
"Without any doubt there is lead in my drinking water"Hi Taray, a great application for the Si-PIN detector, thanks for setting up that experiment.Test everything! (you never know what you'll
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Re: Chinese water filter analysis
Hi guys
I repeated this test with additional RO discharge residue soaked in filter paper pressed against a yellow sample cap
As a control I also checked a new dry filter paper with the cap
Both
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Re: 59.5keV spectrum cleanup
Charles,
This is a classic example of what I have been trying to get across with respect to thermion, calibrations and interpretation
You¡¯re not exactly sure what you are looking at here because
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Re: 59.5keV spectrum cleanup
A graphic of both sources, comparing the energy, intensity and differences of the planchet material.
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