XRF Wiki
Welcome to the XRF Wiki. This Wiki is a repository of information contributed by members of [email protected]. Members can view and edit the pages. The pages are currently not viewable by the public. The pages below represent a rough overview of the technology and techniques associated with X-Ray Florescence Spectroscopy as well as serving as a place for members to organize the spectra that they have contributed to the forum.?
As a starting point, the pages will be populated by information taken from member posts from the past few years - with references/attribution. Perhaps in time, these pages can be edited by members to make them more complete and less choppy. Members can also edit this page, making the structure of the content more organized.?
Pages can contain information about a particular topic, links to relevant resources (such as manuals, research papers, etc.), links to relevant forum discussions on the topic, book titles, or anything that might be useful.
What follows is very much a work in progress.
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Adding to the Wiki
For those unfamiliar with the Wiki phenomenon, it is basically a user editable encyclopedia. The idea is that there are pages with different articles, which the user can read and also choose to edit if desired. If a piece of information is incorrect, a link outdated, or the presentation choppy or unclear, the user can just click "Edit Page" at the bottom and then fix the mistake. There is also a "Page History," so if you a user were to make a mistake or maliciously destroy a page (which wouldn't happen here) an editor can come along and restore the page to a previous version.?
If you have used MediaWiki (the engine that runs behind the scene of Wikipedia.org) you will be familiar with a certain style of creating an article. There are tags that one uses to change the formatting of the parts of the article. The Wiki on Groups.io uses a different background engine and so the standard MediaWiki syntax does not apply here. Rather, the page is edited using the same tools as one would use to compose a message on the forums. If you are a programmer or someone who likes using the tagged syntax directly, you can access the underlying page source code, be activating the advanced editing toolbar (the icon with three lines on the far right of the basic toolbar) and then clicking on the source code icon <> on the far right of the Advance Editing Toolbar. You will immediately notice that the underlying source code is HTML. Most things can be done just by using the various icons, but advanced features like table can only be implemented by manually writing the source code. (Although there are website available that will generate the source code for you through a graphical interface.)
Here are some useful resources from Groups.io:?
Wiki Guide for Users and Editors
Message Composition Tips and Tricks
Overview of XRF
X-Ray Florescence vs. X-Ray Diffraction
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Hardware
This section describes the hardware used for XRF. We will describe the basic theory of operation of each stage in the processing tool chain and then present different commercial systems that are available as these systems are often integrated together.
[Editor note: General theory needs to be in an independent page separate from specific manufacturer information.
[Editor note - question: Should this be arranged by category, e.g detectors, preamps, etc or by manufacturer with the manufacturers product line on one page. Perhaps it's best to put a list of products with theory but the details of the products on a manufacture page...]
Detectors?- what's available, theory of operation, tradeoffs
Detector Cooling?- keeping detectors cool to avoid thermal noise and keeping the TEC from overheating
Preamps?- theory of operation, brief summary of what out there (and what not to do - such as trying to use a PMT preamp for a SiPIN diode...)
Pulse Processing Theory - high level overview of the stages of going from detector pulse to channel peaks on the computer
Commercial Systems - many commercial systems are integrated so it seems to make sense to present, for example all Amptek products together. [question: are their other affordable integrated systems besides Amptek?]
Amptek XRF System
Activation Sources - what do you use to make the sample fluoresce (that's within the amateur budget and doesn't require special licensing)
Software
- Device Control Software - what do you use to collect the data from the detector system
- XRF Analysis Software - what do you use to analyze the data, especially for quantitative measurements (composition percentages, thin film measurement)
- Free Software Tools
Note: there may be software packages that possess some or all of these characteristics.
Materials Spectra
Metals Spectra
Historic/Archeological Spectra
Reference Materials Spectra
Household Objects Spectra
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Resources
Videos
Articles
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Non-XRF Techniques
Gamma Spectroscopy
Raman Spectroscopy
FTIR - Fourier Transform Infrared Spectroscopy
Atomic Emission Spectroscopy
Inductively Coupled Atomic Emission Spectroscopy
Spark Emission Spectroscopy
Atomic Absorption Spectroscopy
LIBS - Laser Induced Breakdown Spectroscopy
Photoacoustic Spectroscopy
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Re: Si pin xrf ..1st go
Geo I will try to borrow some samples if possible. Reason for doing these scans is besides studying elements present is to check for purity There many generic implants flooding the market
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Re: Trinitite
Maybe we should add that the first Pu-29 was also supergrade due to the short time it was in the reactor. For that reason the usual Pu-240 and Pu-241 wasn't there in elevated quantities. It's quite
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Re: Trinitite
Thanks Steve. Geo
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Re: Trinitite
I should have clarified that Unat is in the trinitite from the site soil incorporated in it, just a small amount. Serber's paper indicates that two metals were considered for the tamper, U and Au.
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Re: Trinitite
Dud and Steve, The reference Dud sent: https://www.ezag.com/fileadmin/ezag/user-uploads/isotopes/isotopes/Isotrak/isotrak-pdf/Decay_Schema_Data/Pu-239.pdf is the most satisfying so far and is what we
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Re: Si pin xrf ..1st go
" Imagine that if its still inside somebody " Uh......yeah. OK I will do XRF Ti Knee Cardio docs have "samples" of aorta valves to handle and show patients. Not using titanium ones much anymore, but I
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Re: Trinitite
Here is the link to the YouTube ACP-MS guy:https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Trinitite+ICP-MS&&view=detail&mid=DF0011A3172420188D52DF0011A3172420188D52&&FORM=VRDGARThe Google search term
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Re: Si pin xrf ..1st go
Geo The transplant is likely for ankle internal fixation. I think it¡¯s Synthes ,USA brand. These implants need to be removed once they have done their job They can fatigue and fracture if kept too
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Re: Si pin xrf ..1st go
Taray did you mention what the implant was used for? Do you have access to artificial Knee or a St. Judes Aortic valve, or the stainless steel wire they sew up the strernum with after open-heart? Geo
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Re: Si pin xrf ..1st go
Great news on temperature, I hadn't thought to do that test yet. These can be run 24/7 for months with no drif t (I know because always do Am- CAL CHECK RUN before and after each long run). Then turn
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Re: Si pin xrf ..1st go
Geo While doing test today ,I did a quick 30 mins infrared temperature scan. The temperature of the casing was up less than 2 Celsius. This was with a metal block on top which had a similar rise Taray
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Re: Si pin xrf ..1st go
Ha! I love it! Geo To: [email protected], [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 5:52:25 AM Subject: Re: [XRF] Si pin xrf ..1st go Dude Here are some pics of 2 different aprons Apron 1 is
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Re: Trinitite
Just read this, yes my first reply mentioned possible clue to super depleted U --- not Unat at all.Geo
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Re: Trinitite
PS, Steve did you look at the video on YouTube? Geo
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Re: Trinitite
"it could be the method by which intensity is reported."I must agree because this is the first mass spec report I've ever seen. Still looking for more online.But why Unat metal in the first place in
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Re: Si pin xrf ..1st go
It could be titanium nitride coated titaniumIt has a similar colorHere is a pic of chromium
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Re: Si pin xrf ..1st go
Dude? Here are some pics of 2 different apronsApron 1 is slightly thicker than apron 2 Next pic is old orthopedic implant.It appears to be a niobium titanium implantIt has a yellow coatingSuspect
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Re: Trinitite
Or mass of each present at the test site. ________________________________ Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 7:50 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [XRF] Trinitite Still too low to
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Re: Trinitite
Still too low to explain the discrepancy. Must be something else involved, it could be the method by which intensity is reported. Steve ________________________________ Sent: Tuesday, September 29,
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Re: Trinitite
Steve, a lot of the U-25 was fished. Some report 30% of the total released energy from Trinity was due to plain ol' natural U-235.Geo
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